Fed up of Glass Canon DPS in dungeons

Zer0oo

All really dds are glass cannons but it is the dds job to get enough hp(17+k should be fine for everything) to not instantly die in a dungeon or trial environment and that is highly dependent on how good the dd and the support is. If your dd constantly is dying, despite having enough hp and avoiding the red, the tank or the healer is not doing their job properly.

Brrrofski

I've done every dungeon with like 16.5k health.

Guess what, I wasn't falling over every two seconds. I know when to block, where to stand, use synergies, when to roll dodge etc. If tank is doing his job then it's not an issue.

I do find it funny when tank loses aggro on like 1 enemy and dps is crying and running around the entire room.

DeadlyRecluse

Libonotus wrote: »

one DPS that....won't stay with the rest so I can group heal is not fun.

I'm guessing that right there is the real problem.

Jeremy

Libonotus wrote: »

I was in Vet Mazzatun with a pretty tanky tank and a DPS with decent resistances. However, there was on DPS that hit hard but had little-no resistances and had no shields. So when it got to boss fights, he kept draining my magical pool just trying to keep him alive, I have decent recovery but having to spam healing springs and regen on one DPS that keeps running around and gets 2 shotted easily and won't stay with the rest so I can group heal is not fun.

What would be the point in spamming regen on the DPS?

I would also consider abandoning any play style that requires positioning of the group to stand still in certain places to heal. That's going to prove unreliable in many situations and likely give you an aneurysm to deal with.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

You say they were running all over? Let them die. If they aren't good enough to dodge the damage they need to stay with the group, or in the pretty glowing circle. Or let them die. Then Rez them. And then let them die again. And then Rez them. And then let them die again... it is a fun little game to play to spice up dungeons.

Saint314Louis1985

ive finally leveled up a healer and healing dungeons has given me a whole new perspective on pug groups. too many people just stand in multiple red circles and die instantly. too many people just ignore the giant flames all over the ground and continue heavy attacking thinking the healer should heal them through it.

you can tell the good players from the bad very easily while playing a healer. some groups have flawless easy runs where the healer can focus on keeping up dot's and regen spells and other groups need constant breath of life to keep them above 50% or keep getting one shot.

Balgost

Nothing wrong with being glass canon

Where exactly do you find these glass cameras?

Lieblingsjunge

When the DPS stands in stupid.. Let him die. When DPS refuses to slot a shield to increase survivability.. Let him die.

When DPS dies. Let him be dead.

/Votekick and replace said DPS. #ProblemSolved

WhoSlappedThePie

Kick him from the group > invite better DD > start again?

Option 2 tell him to use a shield.

Honghua

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Cant hit hard from the ground imho. xD

Bladerunner1

So was this glass cannon a stamina DD? They're typically going to snark back if you tell them to slot a shield, unless they're using 2-H and bow.

Beardimus

You just need comms. PUG i'll always run a ward & self defence unless I have a chat at the start. Problem is MMO folks are microphone shy. With IRL mates and I can switch out for more offence and we all benefit.

MehrunesFlagon

Balgost wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon

Where exactly do you find these glass cameras?

Does Nikon make them as well?

SirMewser

Libonotus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Idk maybe the fact he kept dying in like 1-2 hits

I second that, if I am grouping for anything, let it be pvp or pve and I am not healing with a 1-2 shot window of opportunity.
All of the nerfs to sustain was to push people to invest more into sustain and become less lazy players.

Using a healing spring every second is time lost where buffs could have been applied to improve the performance of the general group so I consider him to be a DPS loss.
He doesn't deserve to live if I have to keep burst healing one person every second to keep his 30k+/- dps going.

SisterGoat

I had a party member with 11k HP and he kept getting one shot, and this was in normal Skyreach. We gave him some HP food and that helped a little.

Ulfgarde

If this is Mazzatun, there's a few one-shot mechanics with adds if tank isn't managing well. Seems to be more of the tank's issue rather than the DPS.

Still, next time just ask him to shield up more, or at least be more aware of the situation. Complaining on the forums does little in comparison, however.

swippy

Balgost wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon

Where exactly do you find these glass cameras?

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Balgost wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon

Where exactly do you find these glass cameras?

Does Nikon make them as well?

okay, you guys are being intentionally dense here. he's obviously talking about the in-game lore/flavor text from the motifs that let you craft with Malachite. jeez, some people...

Feanor

Honghua wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Cant hit hard from the ground imho. xD

I was assuming that somebody who knows to hit hard (aka 40k+ DPS) doesn't stand on red stupidly. But maybe I'm just too optimistic here since the OP never stated what "hitting hard" means in his context.

gard

Libonotus wrote: »

I was in Vet Mazzatun with a pretty tanky tank and a DPS with decent resistances. However, there was on DPS that hit hard but had little-no resistances and had no shields. So when it got to boss fights, he kept draining my magical pool just trying to keep him alive, I have decent recovery but having to spam healing springs and regen on one DPS that keeps running around and gets 2 shotted easily and won't stay with the rest so I can group heal is not fun.

Select him for extinction.

Jamini

Telling a stamina DD to use a shield should get you a snarky reply. That said, they SHOULD have blade cloak for any content that has decent AoE.

DocFrost72

Libonotus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Yes he hits hard but a dead DPS is no DPS

^

20k health for me. My DPS is never 0.

profundidob16_ESO

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon - I think the issue was that the dps sucked. Probably stood in red and 10 miles away from the healer.

-Voxicity

Is there a way to fix the red to look more obvious? I had this same problem in Marvel Heroes Online where you had an even better view that ESO and lots of people were vocal about not seeing it well. In ESO for me with max settings I don't see it too well sometimes. Other players particles or whatever get in the way. I wish they had a big red arrow coming up from the ground.

If you have an Nvidia GPU:

In Nvidia Control panel, "Desktop colors" section select "Use Nvidia settings", then increase digital vibrance. Red will become more red and in your face

Asardes

VMA is the best cure for player stupidity. Never seen a Stormproof, let alone Flawless player get rekt repeatedly in dungeons or trials even with 16K health.

Feanor

Asardes wrote: »

VMA is the best cure for player stupidity. Never seen a Stormproof, let alone Flawless player get rekt repeatedly in dungeons or trials even with 16K health.

QFT

Ulfgarde

Asardes wrote: »

VMA is the best cure for player stupidity. Never seen a Stormproof, let alone Flawless player get rekt repeatedly in dungeons or trials even with 16K health.

This, the only bad Flawless / Stormproof players I see are in PvP, which are most of the time not used to it.

Would recommend VMA to anyone who is expecting to raid endgame, for sure.

Asardes

Since I started playing vMA I do normal dungeons solo farm runs without food on and rarely die. It really teaches you to manage resources, block, shield, prioritize targets and optimize rotation under stress. There's no way around it if you want to beat it. I'm really glad I put effort into getting good at it before bringing DDs in hard veteran content - played mostly as tank before. I actually stopped playing group content until I get good completions, or > 500K score consistently on all my 4 chars. I would feel bad not to provide the same level of skill as I did on my tank to the people I play with.

DarkAedin

The best method i have found for healing nearly every dungeon on a healplar outside of mechanic heavy fights:

1) Wear spc (its a sickeningly good set for ur own dps) itll speed up ur run.
2) Rapid regen / ritual on ground - 100% uptime
3) combat prayer - every 6-8s
^ this method will keep ur grouped topped off. Let combat prayer(which u are using for buffs) do the majority of ur big heals. Allow ur rapid and ritual tics to happen as long as big boss dmg is not coming in. They should be non critting for a combined 4k+.
4) shards - 100% uptime. Keep ur eye on the group if they are synergizesing it a lot, drop em a bit more often
5) jab
6) purifying light - on trash mobs hit 3 or 4 with this as u go into the fight

Doing the above will net u 20k ish dps (even in spc/twighlight) and a group thats getting constant buffs and overheals. My rule of thumb is to take about 2 steps back for my combat prayers that are aimed at the tank. If dps arent getting hit with my heals, thats thier fault and they need to learn better positioning. But its also important to NICELY inform them that if they want heals they need to be in ur range. And dont say anything more then that. They will notice that they are the odd man out when they are the only ones with hp/resource issues.

Thunderknuckles

Libonotus wrote: »

I was in Vet Mazzatun with a pretty tanky tank and a DPS with decent resistances. However, there was on DPS that hit hard but had little-no resistances and had no shields. So when it got to boss fights, he kept draining my magical pool just trying to keep him alive, I have decent recovery but having to spam healing springs and regen on one DPS that keeps running around and gets 2 shotted easily and won't stay with the rest so I can group heal is not fun.

OP, were stuck on a certain boss?

Savos_Saren

SisterGoat wrote: »

I had a party member with 11k HP and he kept getting one shot, and this was in normal Skyreach. We gave him some HP food and that helped a little.

+1

I've seen some of these guys running around with 12k health. I usually assume that the CP159 (or lower) who's attempting to run dungeons with 12k health and dies often... is probably a Skyreach Baby. Power-leveling by getting carried in Skyreach and using gear from YouTube videos doesn't make you a skilled player.

Asardes wrote: »

VMA is the best cure for player stupidity. Never seen a Stormproof, let alone Flawless player get rekt repeatedly in dungeons or trials even with 16K health.

+1 on this, too. If I see a DPS with Stormproof- they probably know their stuff.

SoLooney

Was a he a glass cannon because he had little health? Maybe his armor is broken, but I understand where you are coming from.
I mostly notice it from magicka users not using shields and stam players not using deadly cloak.
I notice stam dks and stam sorcs are pretty tanky, stamplars are good if they have cloak and restoring focus. I notice when I heal, stamblades are pretty squishy, dont like healing them