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I'm Glad sorcs are OP
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Magsorcs are strong but not head over shoulders above all other classes.
The problem is magsorcs are easy mode bcz their skills do too much. They are just too easy to play for what they can do.1 -
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If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.Drummerx04 wrote: »As far as I can tell, magsorc PvE dps is on par with other mag classes only if they are running a pet. On many fights, trial groups don't want you using a pet because it gets targeted by AoE mechanics and wipes the group... or the pet dies so easily that it's not reliable to have in the first place.
I'm about as comfortable on a magsorc as you can get, and on most boss fights it's an absolute struggle to reach 30k dps on just the boss as a non-pet magsorc dps, while stamdps is casually hovering at 50k+ on JUST the boss.
magsorc is not some super easy mode god tier dps class and it hasn't been since Morrowind came out. And don't even try to tell me that other classes have harder rotations, when everything boils down 10 skills that all have set durations and no cast time or cooldown.
In pvp, sorc shield stacking is not morally different to any other class with a defensive mechanic that proves hard to kill. Surely you've encountered stamblades, stamdk, and plenty of other builds that appear to ignore all damage and then turn around and hit you with 20k+ burst in 1 second, so it's not just magsorc that can "deal lots of damage and still be tanky"
What else do people get upset about with sorc, streaking? Have you seriously never tried to catch a sprinting medium armor user, or a nb running shades and cloak, anyone wearing Eternal Hunt in a keep or resource tower, or a magplar with mistform and apparently unlimited magicka?
Are you upset about sorc burst? Guess what, sorcs are limited to bursting 1 target at a time within 3.5 seconds with curse/frag/execute, if there are multiple targets swarming like angry bees, it can be very hard actually land all 3 attacks on the same target. Very often curse hits one guy, then a tank shows up and LoS absorbs 1 or more of the remaining attacks by proximity. Even if there is only one target, the combo is so predictable that most decent players dodge both the frag AND the execute and the curse just gets absorbed by the vigor ticks.
Sure, multiple sorcs attacking you is much harder to handle than 1, but multiple ANYTHING can be difficult to handle.
tl;dr
Anyone who thinks sorcs are generally OP at everything either doesn't play the game at a level where he/she can tell, or is otherwise completely blind to the good non sorc players in both PvE and PvP.
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Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.4 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Give Me like 10 minutes and ill grab one.
Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
Edited by KingJ on August 21, 2017 2:29AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Not sure what people want. i don't think sorc are the best DPS. They have a good toolset for movement and delayed damage in curse and delayed execute that provides good burst opportunity in PVP but PVE? Even if they are, I'd expect sorcs and NBs should be until you can tank raids with my Templar or be the primary healer with a NB.
I think a lot of these debates on what's OP or not come down to mixed signals by ZOS on if they intend every class can do any role or if it's DKs tank, Templars heal, and NBS and Sorcs DPS, and Wardens well...annoy any last stam user who uses dodge? The any class can be any role probably should be squashed because you'll always have a BIS one way or another.2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »all truth is violently apposed when presented.
this thread is proof of that.
@dwemer_paleologist
What is the truth? That Sorcs are weaker this update, far from top of the hill?3 -
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If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.Drummerx04 wrote: »As far as I can tell, magsorc PvE dps is on par with other mag classes only if they are running a pet. On many fights, trial groups don't want you using a pet because it gets targeted by AoE mechanics and wipes the group... or the pet dies so easily that it's not reliable to have in the first place.
I'm about as comfortable on a magsorc as you can get, and on most boss fights it's an absolute struggle to reach 30k dps on just the boss as a non-pet magsorc dps, while stamdps is casually hovering at 50k+ on JUST the boss.
magsorc is not some super easy mode god tier dps class and it hasn't been since Morrowind came out. And don't even try to tell me that other classes have harder rotations, when everything boils down 10 skills that all have set durations and no cast time or cooldown.
In pvp, sorc shield stacking is not morally different to any other class with a defensive mechanic that proves hard to kill. Surely you've encountered stamblades, stamdk, and plenty of other builds that appear to ignore all damage and then turn around and hit you with 20k+ burst in 1 second, so it's not just magsorc that can "deal lots of damage and still be tanky"
What else do people get upset about with sorc, streaking? Have you seriously never tried to catch a sprinting medium armor user, or a nb running shades and cloak, anyone wearing Eternal Hunt in a keep or resource tower, or a magplar with mistform and apparently unlimited magicka?
Are you upset about sorc burst? Guess what, sorcs are limited to bursting 1 target at a time within 3.5 seconds with curse/frag/execute, if there are multiple targets swarming like angry bees, it can be very hard actually land all 3 attacks on the same target. Very often curse hits one guy, then a tank shows up and LoS absorbs 1 or more of the remaining attacks by proximity. Even if there is only one target, the combo is so predictable that most decent players dodge both the frag AND the execute and the curse just gets absorbed by the vigor ticks.
Sure, multiple sorcs attacking you is much harder to handle than 1, but multiple ANYTHING can be difficult to handle.
tl;dr
Anyone who thinks sorcs are generally OP at everything either doesn't play the game at a level where he/she can tell, or is otherwise completely blind to the good non sorc players in both PvE and PvP.
LOL 50k non pet sorc parse. If only.What Mechanics
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✭✭Last time I saw 7/8 DDs being Sorcs was back in Homestead. Now its actually pretty nice to see that most classes are pretty even@ Izaki #PCEU
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Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭
Yeah, all are pretty even... It's just that stamina is a bit more evenIzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Last time I saw 7/8 DDs being Sorcs was back in Homestead. Now its actually pretty nice to see that most classes are pretty even And stamDK is a tiny bit more even then all the rest
But honestly? I'm not even mad
Karma they call it
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POps75p✭✭✭✭agree, it's nice to have a couple of good sorc to cover my ass, as well as the losers I get matched up with in some of the more difficult dungons, mazz, cradle and prison (not sure how the new two are yet, but should find out soon0
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✭✭I've never been kicked for not being a sorc... But I always get picked last for the roster cuz we have mag sorcs and stam DKsFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info1 -
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Give Me like 10 minutes and ill grab one.
Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
Still waiting for that 50k ST no pet parse @KingJ. And don't link the bugged torugs pact parse from PTS either.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wheres the 50k parse?
And why do we have so many stam dk in trial leaderboards these days?
Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Give Me like 10 minutes and ill grab one.
Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
2 hours now.
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✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »It doesn't give me any suprises. I already know it, everyone in game knows and acknowledges it..It's just a feature at this point.
It's soothing,
Knowing ZoS's balance revolves around having a God Class. So very nice to see 7/8 dps in trials as sorcs. And so much sweeter seeing players kicked for not being sorcs in dungeons. Great diversity. I applaud you ZoS on a balance well done. No seriously, it's fantastic. Balance is completely perfect, you guys and gals really know your stuff. Superb QA and development team. Amazing.
Lets make it spicy @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom0 -
Cpt_Ati✭sorcs arent op.because of amberplasm/shacklebreaker they got infinite sustain that let them stack shields.
Magsorc is noob friendly.Long Load Time-Wood Elf Nightblade 800+ CP2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »It doesn't give me any suprises. I already know it, everyone in game knows and acknowledges it..It's just a feature at this point.
It's soothing,
Knowing ZoS's balance revolves around having a God Class. So very nice to see 7/8 dps in trials as sorcs. And so much sweeter seeing players kicked for not being sorcs in dungeons. Great diversity. I applaud you ZoS on a balance well done. No seriously, it's fantastic. Balance is completely perfect, you guys and gals really know your stuff. Superb QA and development team. Amazing.
Lets make it spicy @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Its not like they havent seen over 9000 threads about this... Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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ValkynSketha✭✭✭✭✭
Give Me like 10 minutes and ill grab one.
Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
Where is it?
, it has been 5h. 0 -
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✭✭✭✭ValkynSketha wrote: »
Give Me like 10 minutes and ill grab one.
Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
Where is it? , it has been 5h.
The argument will switch to shields op or streak op next, or maybe dark exchange. That's how these things work.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Insomnia rex✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Kicking for not being a sorc? Lol.
I remember I saw a few "LFM for nHof, sorc dds only", but those kind of pugs often end up being stuck at the last boss because dds cant control their pets and everyone is getting rekt by terminal feedback. Not knowing how to avoid that is OP for sure!ValkynSketha wrote: »They are not tho, not in pve or pvp, they are just noob friendly, but then you figure how boring and how they are actually weak.
This. But I think its a good thing theyre noob friendly, its really hard to screw up as dps sorc and it doesnt require much precision. The majority of playerbase are casuals so its good that they have relatively easy to play option.
Just out of curiosity.. what is this terminal feedback you are talking about? Have done nHof repeatedly with my pet sorc (not PUG) and have no clue what you are talking about or why anyone would need to control their pet at the last boss?CP630 AR20 PC EU, Alt Mag Sorc AD - Insomnicia Rex0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ValkynSketha wrote: »
Give Me like 10 minutes and ill grab one.
Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
Where is it? , it has been 5h.
The argument will switch to shields op or streak op next, or maybe dark exchange. That's how these things work.
Or to "the stam player pulling 60k+ in that raid was Alcast and your average noob can't do this". That the average noob doesn't pull 50k on a Sorc either doesn't get mentioned ...Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ValkynSketha wrote: »
Give Me like 10 minutes and ill grab one.
Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
Where is it? , it has been 5h.
The argument will switch to shields op or streak op next, or maybe dark exchange. That's how these things work.
I will desalinate about Dark Deal when Siphoning Attacks gets reverted or at least uses the opposite resource to make gains, like Dark Deal does.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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✭✭Magsorcs are strong but not head over shoulders above all other classes.
The problem is magsorcs are easy mode bcz their skills do too much. They are just too easy to play for what they can do.
Are you saying that they should do less dps ? it's as easy as a magNB ...
MagNB- Spammable: Funnel health or force pulse.
- Dot 1 : Wall of fire
- Dot 2 : Crippling Grasp
- Dot 3 : twisting Path
- Finisher : Impale
- inner light.
- Abilitie who proc : Merciless resolve
- Shield : Harness magicka
- ressource management : Siphoning attack/ heavy attack.
MagSorc- Spammable : Force pulse
- Dot 1 : Wall of lightning
- Dot 2 : Liquid lightning
- Dot 3 : Pet
- Finisher : mage fury
- Inner light
- Abilitie who proc : Fragment
- Shield : Hardened ward
- Ressource management : Heavy attack.
3 dots ... spammable then the merciless resolve/crystal proc .. then heavy attack ... 3 dots ect... and finisher at 25/20%
if i go in your direction ..the DK should be the worst tank cause they are just too easy to play ( perfect abilities / passif for tanking )Edited by Apherius on August 23, 2017 8:38PM0 -
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✭✭ValkynSketha wrote: »
Give Me like 10 minutes and ill grab one.
Still in Homestead, are we?If you can't get passed 30k on a non pet sorc your a bad sorc that's it.You can get 50k on a none pet sorc.People only run pets for the AOE increase and its still the best magic DPS by miles now.Its the only magic setup allowed since stam can't go range.
Links to Morrowind or HoTR 50k non-petsorc parses solo, pls.
Where is it? , it has been 5h.
The argument will switch to shields op or streak op next, or maybe dark exchange. That's how these things work.
I will desalinate about Dark Deal when Siphoning Attacks gets reverted or at least uses the opposite resource to make gains, like Dark Deal does.
Dark deal is a cast , siphoning attack is an instant abilitie who proc on all your light attack ( perfect with weaving ) you can't compare these skills .0 -
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✭✭Insomnia rex wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Kicking for not being a sorc? Lol.
I remember I saw a few "LFM for nHof, sorc dds only", but those kind of pugs often end up being stuck at the last boss because dds cant control their pets and everyone is getting rekt by terminal feedback. Not knowing how to avoid that is OP for sure!ValkynSketha wrote: »They are not tho, not in pve or pvp, they are just noob friendly, but then you figure how boring and how they are actually weak.
This. But I think its a good thing theyre noob friendly, its really hard to screw up as dps sorc and it doesnt require much precision. The majority of playerbase are casuals so its good that they have relatively easy to play option.
Just out of curiosity.. what is this terminal feedback you are talking about? Have done nHof repeatedly with my pet sorc (not PUG) and have no clue what you are talking about or why anyone would need to control their pet at the last boss?
when the boss go to the center .. nobody should do damage to the boss cause more damage he take during his phase ( recharge phase ) more damage he will do at the end of this phase.0 -
loyalhabsfan✭✭✭✭Those of you that don't admit sorcs are OP in PvP legit crack me up. It's not even a debate anymore tbh.
A great player on a magsorc > a great player on any other class, period.1 -
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✭✭✭loyalhabsfan wrote: »Those of you that don't admit sorcs are OP in PvP legit crack me up. It's not even a debate anymore tbh.
A great player on a magsorc > a great player on any other class, period.
Was this about PvP?? I didn't know they had trials in PvP...BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Stam classes are hitting like trucks this patch. Sorcs are hitting much less. There is pretty good diversity right now. All DPS classes (except magicka warden; they're insta-kick) are viable.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 23, 2017 9:51PM0 -
loyalhabsfan✭✭✭✭loyalhabsfan wrote: »Those of you that don't admit sorcs are OP in PvP legit crack me up. It's not even a debate anymore tbh.
A great player on a magsorc > a great player on any other class, period.
Was this about PvP?? I didn't know they had trials in PvP...
No, this is is about people in this thread defending mag sorcs in PvP. Don't come on me like that brO0 -
Honghua✭✭✭At this point i have just stopped playing magicka characters at all, since the sorce is absolute OP, there is not other class that could compete with it in magicka.
ZOS learn to balance seriously, your game becomes shittier and shitter each patch, nerf *** templar, nerf NB nerf DK, and let sorc stamina and magicka be *** overpowered all of all. The balance in this game IS NON EXISTENT seriously even paladins and smite has better balance than this *** game.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Stam classes are hitting like trucks this patch. Sorcs are hitting much less. There is pretty good diversity right now. All DPS classes (except magicka warden; they're insta-kick) are viable.
Yea all dps classes your f ass man.
Major berserker makes it up for sorcerer even if he doesnt use major brutality for stamina, he still does more damage to anyone. This is total *** that should be adressed in FAST HOT FIX.Edited by Honghua on August 23, 2017 10:05PM0