Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

OP, please join the "We Can't Beat Em So We Want Them Nerfed" guild. It's growing in size quite fast!

1 v 1, in an open environment. Sure, L2P.

The way it's being used is making PVP pretty unenjoyable. Oh look! 50 yellows along with the Emperor just burst through the front door and popped their eye of the flame/storm ultimates.

"PURE SKILL BRAH!!!"

This highlights what the actual problem is. So many have touched on it without calling it out. The issue isn't the ultimate, it's the zergs. Why are there no "Nerf Zergs" threads?
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There have been plenty,
it is why we have things like Vicious Death and Proxy Det in the game

The problem is the zergs are using these skills as well.

I like the idea of giving smaller groups tools to take on larger ones, but in practice it's mostly the other way around.

(Other than a suicide bomber that kills three opening a dolmen chest, and is immediately murdered.)

My statement was simply that the large amount of 'Nerf Zerg' threads are what caused these attempts at zerg-busting to be added,
whether or not the outcome of such nerf threads actually made the zergs more powerful is a different matter

players complain about the zerg being too powerful; the zerg complains about individual players being too powerful

Alliance War,
Alliance War never changes

gepe87 wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

I love how people defend this Ult. Eye of the storm mixed with immovable pots and a pocket healer with blur or rapid maneuver/lotus fan spam is untouchable unless you have a negate ready.

Its not a L2P issue its an over performance issue. Its made alot of bad pvpers alot of AP.

Agree.It's bad being caught by one, but i changed my mind about nerfing it.

One of my death recap was 5 EotF used by 5 different players...That is serious, and some pvp guilds only accept you if you have destro ulti..

Which other 5 ultimate from 5 players hitting at once deaths would you have seen as OK?

if it was 5 ambush-incap at once from 5 players, that would be happy happy joy joy day for you?

if five different people hitting you with their ult is not supposed to be deadly, how many ulti at once do you think is balanced to threaten you?

should you be able to withstand ten ulti at once?
twenty?
fifty?
if every other player in eso hit you with their ultis at once should you get killed?

where is the break point where you say "yeah this many at once killing me is a sign of the numbers being too many, not a problem with their power being too big"??

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Too big of an AoE for the amount of mobile damage it can dish out.

The hoops people jump through to defend their pvdoor is pathetic.

Was that on the third tablet that mel brooks dropped?

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

It's enough. A simple player using this skills and other things in PVP can kill like 10 players in a second. That's not what I call "balanced". In my opinion, this ultimate damage should be reduced by at least 1K damage to let the players the time to NOTICE that there's a bomber before getting killed -_-

You would nerf one of the few answers people have to zergs....really?

Obviously in conjuntion with proxy and such but still...

Yeah zergs use it too but bombing zergs would be more painful without it especially considering if you're a magblade due to tether not being nearly as effective because of all the mitigation and CC immunities.

I always love standing near flags and watching the same people die repeatedly to a bomber. It's hilarious.

How hard is it to move out of the way? Build with even the slightest amount of defense to increase your reaction time allowance? Anything but whine about it?

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

It's enough. A simple player using this skills and other things in PVP can kill like 10 players in a second. That's not what I call "balanced". In my opinion, this ultimate damage should be reduced by at least 1K damage to let the players the time to NOTICE that there's a bomber before getting killed -_-

L2P thread basically.

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

With all due respects. Shut up

Why? Get out of here, you don't know what is it to take a fort with like 5 people and get wiped by a single person.

Sure I do. But, you have to learn from that kind of thing. Don't all stand right next to each other on the pin, looking at your maps. A few stand on the pin, hopefully at least one is a tank, and a few sneaky guys are in stealth, on guard for ulti-bombers. That is why people get aggravated when people say, "Nerf this or nerf that." We've played and died and adjusted our play style, our gear, and our skills, instead of whining about it.

kynseon wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

So tired of these nerf threads. If something is over performing and you aren't happy about it. Provide proof of the claim your making and reasoned suggestions on improvement, or even better provide instances where other skills could possibly be buffed or adjusted to make better counters. This "I know somebody who's whole group was wiped by one guy" or "I keep getting killed by this one skill" with no context is pointless. #NoMoreNerfs

agree with this. Ive been killed countless times by this skill. Yet i dont go complaining that it needs to be nerfed. People bring these nerf threads without prove that they are over performing. They probably just dont dodge or move over and get their ass kicked by the skill.

they stand in stupid and wonder what killed them.

Wow, look at all the destro ulti users come to defend their OP ability!

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

I'm just here to laugh at the NERF destro ult ***. Here is my Pov.

1. Don't stand in it
2. Don't ball up, cuz I enjoy when you ball up. Easy AP
3. If a destro ult is incoming and you can't CC the destro user spread out or burn the destro user
4. Pop immovable pot, shield, rally, vigor and roll dodge or what ever to get out of dodge!
5. Repeat 1 - 4

I mean come on guys it's not that hard to spot an incoming bomb or if you're dumb enough to stand in the destro ult that's your fault. Destro ult has been nerfed once, how many more nerfs until everyone is happy.

I mean it's common sense, big red DoT, shall I stand in it, shall I kill that player, shall I roll dodge out, shall I shall I....... If your smart and know what to do you can out heal it or burst that player down or my favorite gone like the wind phrase

But for God sakes stop asking for nerfs cuz you can't figure L2P issues!

Let me explain how this works since you seem to be pretty ignorant.

- Ulti user pops immovability potion and asks pocket healer if he's ready
- Ulti user casts the ulti and gap closes into a group, covering most members with it's huge radius
- Group members can either run in a single direction away from the user or run straight into the other enemy players
- Group members sprint, dodge roll, or attempt to heal/block.
- Ulti user sprints, dodge rolls, or gap closes to keep up
- Multiple group members are either dead or almost dead because you can't cast abilities while sprinting, roll dodging, or blocking
- Rest of the group is now disorganized since everybody had to run like chickens with their heads cut off just to avoid one ulti

No other ulti is this powerful or requires so much counter play, not just from one player but an entire group. That is not balance.

"But bruh, just don't stand in a group!" You do realize that this is Alliance vs Alliance, right? You know, taking castles and stuff? There's going to be many times where it is necessary to be close to your group members, whether that's in structures or tight passages, or while going up against other groups. You can't just have people stand 15m away from each other at all times. Do you even pvp?

Meld777 wrote: »

I'm a Stamina Nightblade and a bomber will never successfully bomb me because I'm not ***. Learn to play.

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

Anyway single destro ult is not a problem, the problem is many players can stack it and run happy destro trains decimating everything on their road.

Yes, and then my gf comes who's a bomber and bombs them, and I finish them off, just the two of us. That's what bombers are for. Done it to many organized groups on PC EU many times (Unfriendly Fire, Wabbajack, even Zerg Squad). And you wanna nerf it to encourage "zerg or go home"?

Mhm so basically what you are saying is you need a person with destro ult to kill a group running destro ult train well that solves everything.

Also the fact that some person successfully bombed an organized group few times really doesn't mean anything because it changes nothing. It's still destro ult raids who take keeps and slaughter hundreds of people every day, and those bombers 99% of a time have 0 impact on campaign.

Phlathead wrote: »

Wow, look at all the destro ulti users come to defend their OP ability!

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

I'm just here to laugh at the NERF destro ult ***. Here is my Pov.

1. Don't stand in it
2. Don't ball up, cuz I enjoy when you ball up. Easy AP
3. If a destro ult is incoming and you can't CC the destro user spread out or burn the destro user
4. Pop immovable pot, shield, rally, vigor and roll dodge or what ever to get out of dodge!
5. Repeat 1 - 4

I mean come on guys it's not that hard to spot an incoming bomb or if you're dumb enough to stand in the destro ult that's your fault. Destro ult has been nerfed once, how many more nerfs until everyone is happy.

I mean it's common sense, big red DoT, shall I stand in it, shall I kill that player, shall I roll dodge out, shall I shall I....... If your smart and know what to do you can out heal it or burst that player down or my favorite gone like the wind phrase

But for God sakes stop asking for nerfs cuz you can't figure L2P issues!

Let me explain how this works since you seem to be pretty ignorant.

- Ulti user pops immovability potion and asks pocket healer if he's ready
- Ulti user casts the ulti and gap closes into a group, covering most members with it's huge radius
- Group members can either run in a single direction away from the user or run straight into the other enemy players
- Group members sprint, dodge roll, or attempt to heal/block.
- Ulti user sprints, dodge rolls, or gap closes to keep up
- Multiple group members are either dead or almost dead because you can't cast abilities while sprinting, roll dodging, or blocking
- Rest of the group is now disorganized since everybody had to run like chickens with their heads cut off just to avoid one ulti

No other ulti is this powerful or requires so much counter play, not just from one player but an entire group. That is not balance.

"But bruh, just don't stand in a group!" You do realize that this is Alliance vs Alliance, right? You know, taking castles and stuff? There's going to be many times where it is necessary to be close to your group members, whether that's in structures or tight passages, or while going up against other groups. You can't just have people stand 15m away from each other at all times. Do you even pvp?

Who cares I don't wanna be a bomber

Funny to see how many people are just here to tell others to learn how to play. It's a game, we all learn during our whole life. If you have one, of course. I'm not old to the game so please be respectful and stop being egocentric to hide the fact that you too suck and get killed in bomb because of inattention

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

Meld777 wrote: »

I'm a Stamina Nightblade and a bomber will never successfully bomb me because I'm not ***. Learn to play.

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

Anyway single destro ult is not a problem, the problem is many players can stack it and run happy destro trains decimating everything on their road.

Yes, and then my gf comes who's a bomber and bombs them, and I finish them off, just the two of us. That's what bombers are for. Done it to many organized groups on PC EU many times (Unfriendly Fire, Wabbajack, even Zerg Squad). And you wanna nerf it to encourage "zerg or go home"?

Mhm so basically what you are saying is you need a person with destro ult to kill a group running destro ult train well that solves everything.

Also the fact that some person successfully bombed an organized group few times really doesn't mean anything because it changes nothing. It's still destro ult raids who take keeps and slaughter hundreds of people every day, and those bombers 99% of a time have 0 impact on campaign.

Most bombers ive played are after AP and personal gain only. Its the same guys who camp sejanus 24/7 become Emps but contribute nothing to the campaign

Lol destro ult is not why you got bombed.

The main thing about bombers is timing prox det with fear and the destro ult is just to push the last ticks of health together with sap. Vicious Death does the rest.