Nerf destruction skills ultimate

Denyiir

STEVIL wrote: »

Killing 10 v 1 in one second all because of one ability? (Obviously the "other things" don't matter cuz the only thing needing need is this uk to, right?)

So that's like after battle spirit and mitigation shields etc about 20k health damage per tick?

Man... Doesn't look like any tooltips I have seen.

Please show screen cap of 1 killing 10 in 1s.

Thanks.

OP said "and other things" so he probably meant mag nb bomber wearing vd which can kill dozen people in around 1-2 sec.

Anyway single destro ult is not a problem, the problem is many players can stack it and run happy destro trains decimating everything on their road.

WaltherCarraway

If you were talking about Destro ult + vicious death (player explodes on death) bomb combo.

Well, some people never give a hoot about a classic bomblade counter suggestion:

Hold BLOCK WHILE CONTESTING SOMETHING

WuffyCerulei

It's been nerfed. And the ultimate, unless you're a sorc, is expensive. 250 ulti or 240 for templars.

Tan9oSuccka

The_Duke wrote: »

I love how people defend this Ult. Eye of the storm mixed with immovable pots and a pocket healer with blur or rapid maneuver/lotus fan spam is untouchable unless you have a negate ready.

Its not a L2P issue its an over performance issue. Its made alot of bad pvpers alot of AP.

This. I'm so tired of eye of the storm.

Damage should be greatly reduced and movement speed cut down to 50% when active.

Meld777

I'm a Stamina Nightblade and a bomber will never successfully bomb me because I'm not ***. Learn to play.

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

Anyway single destro ult is not a problem, the problem is many players can stack it and run happy destro trains decimating everything on their road.

Yes, and then my gf comes who's a bomber and bombs them, and I finish them off, just the two of us. That's what bombers are for. Done it to many organized groups on PC EU many times (Unfriendly Fire, Wabbajack, even Zerg Squad). And you wanna nerf it to encourage "zerg or go home"?

zsban

Seriously?
That ult has a 2 second build up. It has both a big "thump" sound (distant explosion), a big flash visual AND a big red combat cue on the ground where it will hit.
Then you can block, roll dodge, spam breath of life, whatever you want before you die, so I'd say even if you're squishy, it's at least 3-5 seconds before you pop.

edit: In my experience apart from bombing clueless zergs that ult is much more useful to disturb organized groups forcing them to leave a specific area (just like negate) rather than attempting mass killing.

AbysmalGhul

The cries of babies are poisonous to the ears. I'm so tired of seeing nerf threads. They are poisonous to the eyes. I feel nauseous when I see these threads.

I have to ask, why is everything "OP" except for your build?

I swear, they should make a pvp mode where everyone wears the same equipment and have the same abilities.They should remove ultimates and long range attacks. Better yet, combat should only consist of 1v1 fist fights to prevent zerging.

Better yet, to compensate for lag, combat should be held through the whisper system. The one with the harshest message that makes your opponent cry, is the winner.

Nutshotz

I'm just here to laugh at the NERF destro ult ***. Here is my Pov.

1. Don't stand in it
2. Don't ball up, cuz I enjoy when you ball up. Easy AP
3. If a destro ult is incoming and you can't CC the destro user spread out or burn the destro user
4. Pop immovable pot, shield, rally, vigor and roll dodge or what ever to get out of dodge!
5. Repeat 1 - 4

I mean come on guys it's not that hard to spot an incoming bomb or if you're dumb enough to stand in the destro ult that's your fault. Destro ult has been nerfed once, how many more nerfs until everyone is happy.

I mean it's common sense, big red DoT, shall I stand in it, shall I kill that player, shall I roll dodge out, shall I shall I....... If your smart and know what to do you can out heal it or burst that player down or my favorite gone like the wind phrase

But for God sakes stop asking for nerfs cuz you can't figure L2P issues!

Brutusmax1mus

If you're the focus of attack, a good bomber can and will stay on you the whole time. 1 immovable pot as they can gap close to thier hearts content. I got hit with a 35k destro ultimate as a non bank the other day, it was his ability too cast, specifically fear, that ended me. Name another skill that lets up do 30k aoe (resistance helps, i only use 15k) unblockable damage that lets you use ccs, damage skills, and defense in the process ?

I do think it allows too much from the user for the way it does damage. The real culprit is them making it so powerful bc of its high ultimate cost.

WaltherCarraway

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

I'm just here to laugh at the NERF destro ult ***. Here is my Pictures.

1. Don't stand in it
2. Don't ball up, cuz I enjoy when you ball up. Easy AP
3. If a destro ult is incoming and you can't CC the destro user spread out or burn the destro user
4. Pop immovable pot, shield, rally, vigor and roll dodge or what ever to get out of dodge!
5. Repeat 1 - 4

I mean come on guys it's not that hard to spot an incoming bomb or if you're dumb enough to stand in the destro ult that's your fault. Destro ult has been nerfed once, how many more nerfs until everyone is happy.

I mean it's common sense, big red DoT, shall I stand in it, shall I kill that player, shall I roll dodge out, shall I shall I....... If your smart and know what to do you can out heal it or burst that player down or my favorite gone like the wind phrase

But for God sakes stop asking for nerfs cuz you can't figure L2P issues!

whoever can't see that huge red ring needs a
New ips monitor / pair of glasses maybe.

Joy_Division

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

RocketQueen wrote: »

Too many sore losers posting nerf threads...please stop #NoMoreNerfs

Bruh I am a looser for posting that this ability is broken?

I wouldn't say that (also a sore loser is in the specific context of losing in competition, not the same as a loser in life).

I would say that your original post makes you sound inexperienced and biased because it's so hyperbolic. A "simple" player will not be able to kill 10 players in a second. It takes skill, knowledge, practice, a specific build and specific circumstances to pull it off. You give no indication that you understand the mechanics involved in what's going. Also, if you cant notice a bomber incoming, that's a you issue, not a game issue.

Cyrediath

Op, because of people like you black rose nerfrd back to oblivion. most useless set now Q.Q

Trinity_Is_My_Name

OP, please join the "We Can't Beat Em So We Want Them Nerfed" guild. It's growing in size quite fast!

FloppyTouch

The_Duke wrote: »

I love how people defend this Ult. Eye of the storm mixed with immovable pots and a pocket healer with blur or rapid maneuver/lotus fan spam is untouchable unless you have a negate ready.

Its not a L2P issue its an over performance issue. Its made alot of bad pvpers alot of AP.

So it's not the ult it's the abilities used with the ult a pocket healer and immovable pots. Does not seem to be just the ult so no nerf needed.

Btw one negate or ult heal cancels the thing out. The ult is not strong it's the build that goes with it VD and spinners and timing everything at once. And needing a bunch of people that are clueless.

Ever seen a bomb build try to use this on one solo player? Never works out well for them. It's the VD explosions from the super squishy players proxy and the ult.

The ult is fine as is and easy to heal through.

This is with out doubt a L2P issue

SammyFable

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

It's enough. A simple player using this skills and other things

That's the key part. You wouldn't die from Eye of the Storm alone if you recognize it.

Tan9oSuccka

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

OP, please join the "We Can't Beat Em So We Want Them Nerfed" guild. It's growing in size quite fast!

1 v 1, in an open environment. Sure, L2P.

The way it's being used is making PVP pretty unenjoyable. Oh look! 50 yellows along with the Emperor just burst through the front door and popped their eye of the flame/storm ultimates.

"PURE SKILL BRAH!!!"

AdicusDio

SydneyGrey wrote: »

So why aren't you using the destruction staff ultimate, then?
You just want to complain about something you don't want to use, because it killed you in PvP. People like you won't be happy until everything is nerfed except what YOU want to use.
#NoMoreNerfs

So, we all should quit our builds to use what everyone else uses? *sighs*

I agree with the topic starter. At the very least, the radius on some of the attacks (Grothdar with the other red ring of death that it gets paired with) need lowered as by time you see it, you can't run away as it melts you. That's not balanced. I honestly wouldn't mind the fact some magic builds have very high crit damage IF they'd revery some changes to stam nb, as our attacks do WAY less than were originally intended, or in some cases, removed entirely.

Mihael

Should the ult be nerfed? No, but don't come in here like the destro ult isn't among one of the best if not the best ults in the game, if it wasn't so then why does almost every group run at least one destro ult, maybe try explaining why it shouldn't be nerfed instead of just crying oh "just nerf everything" like dang is everyone that salty they lost their procs

STEVIL

The_Duke wrote: »

I love how people defend this Ult. Eye of the storm mixed with immovable pots and a pocket healer with blur or rapid maneuver/lotus fan spam is untouchable unless you have a negate ready.

Its not a L2P issue its an over performance issue. Its made alot of bad pvpers alot of AP.

if you have a pocket healer and potions and lotus can i also have with my ten guys a pocket healer each plus healing potions plus oh IDK a high resistance and if i also have all those things how again are these ticks killing me in and my nine buds in say 1 second or even nine?

Juli'St

No, at last - what EP ll do without Destros, some real PVP?

Bbsample197

make it channeled or works the same as mist form w/o the "prevent healing part" and we're all be happy

seedubsrun

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

OP, please join the "We Can't Beat Em So We Want Them Nerfed" guild. It's growing in size quite fast!

1 v 1, in an open environment. Sure, L2P.

The way it's being used is making PVP pretty unenjoyable. Oh look! 50 yellows along with the Emperor just burst through the front door and popped their eye of the flame/storm ultimates.

"PURE SKILL BRAH!!!"

This highlights what the actual problem is. So many have touched on it without calling it out. The issue isn't the ultimate, it's the zergs. Why are there no "Nerf Zergs" threads? Because that would be stupid. Regardless, a large enough zerg naked and wielding toothpicks could wipe anyone. Your keep could be attacked by a zerg where none use Eots and you'd probably still wipe. Eots in 1v1 or small groups aren't all that great. You die to the power of the zerg as well as many other factors like VD and CCs. Any group that is overwhelmed will likely fall

EmEm_Oh

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

It's enough. A simple player using this skills and other things in PVP can kill like 10 players in a second. That's not what I call "balanced". In my opinion, this ultimate damage should be reduced by at least 1K damage to let the players the time to NOTICE that there's a bomber before getting killed -_-

I don't have a problem with these bombers. You just have to be alert and not group around everyone. Also, if you are in a group, some of them do tell you to put your shields up. I give recommendations all the time with certain factions and their particular groups. If your group continually gets bombed...I'd suggest running with a different group that's more alert.

If you walk on a flag and take it...silence...then a bunch of your guys come to join for the tick...silence...that's a setup to me and I'm not gonna be hanging around your group really close to find out. I will also have my shields up.

Samadhi

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

It's enough. A simple player using this skills and other things in PVP can kill like 10 players in a second.
...

Given that this skill is an AoE DoT,
the implication made here is that it kills people in a single tick

If that were the case, would be inclined to agree that it is overpowered

My personal favourite thing to do to bombers trying to run this skill is to drop the Warden healing ult
It is really satisfying when the only corpse on the flag is that of the bomber

gepe87

The_Duke wrote: »

I love how people defend this Ult. Eye of the storm mixed with immovable pots and a pocket healer with blur or rapid maneuver/lotus fan spam is untouchable unless you have a negate ready.

Its not a L2P issue its an over performance issue. Its made alot of bad pvpers alot of AP.

Agree.It's bad being caught by one, but i changed my mind about nerfing it.

One of my death recap was 5 EotF used by 5 different players...That is serious, and some pvp guilds only accept you if you have destro ulti..

EmEm_Oh

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

With all due respects. Shut up

Why? Get out of here, you don't know what is it to take a fort with like 5 people and get wiped by a single person.

Hey, I've had that happen. It does happen. But you know when it happens? When I'm not aware. Not too long ago a few others and myself took a keep and everything was fine until at the last moment. I was too late to see somebody our group forgot to clear...and it happened too fast I was dead. Everyone was dead.

Clearing a keep is also important. Bombers will be stealthed. User your magelight or FIghter's Guild ability. You should have a few clearing the internal area for successful taking. Then you clear the outside (if it's a bigger group this is already happening).

Samadhi

seedubsrun wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

OP, please join the "We Can't Beat Em So We Want Them Nerfed" guild. It's growing in size quite fast!

1 v 1, in an open environment. Sure, L2P.

The way it's being used is making PVP pretty unenjoyable. Oh look! 50 yellows along with the Emperor just burst through the front door and popped their eye of the flame/storm ultimates.

"PURE SKILL BRAH!!!"

This highlights what the actual problem is. So many have touched on it without calling it out. The issue isn't the ultimate, it's the zergs. Why are there no "Nerf Zergs" threads?
...

There have been plenty,
it is why we have things like Vicious Death and Proxy Det in the game

hmsdragonfly

You can heal through it, or you can CC the guy and run away, or you can just run away.

STEVIL

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Killing 10 v 1 in one second all because of one ability? (Obviously the "other things" don't matter cuz the only thing needing need is this uk to, right?)

So that's like after battle spirit and mitigation shields etc about 20k health damage per tick?

Man... Doesn't look like any tooltips I have seen.

Please show screen cap of 1 killing 10 in 1s.

Thanks.

Go check on YouTube. Bomber PVP

Well see thats where your superbly well established claims seem to fail to quite make the cut.

See, those youtubes i have seen from time to time that focus on this kind of gameplay - they dont just kill ten folks in a second with destro ulti eye.

they tend to have things like - mix and match - vicious death, grothdar, spellweave, clever alchey and so on and so on - so that in addition to the ultimate they get lots of other damage pouring out...

they also seem to tend to bomb into existing fights where characters are tied up with other adversaries or that kind of thing... so again their damage from all their sources is being added to a lot of other stuff going on.

And even then, its multiple seconds before they wrack up ten kills - though VD procs do chain rather quickly once things start falling apart (that what 16k before BS boom per kill - do you think maybe that can also play a slight minor perhaps only trivial role in the death of many?)

So, what this seems to say is not that the destro ulti is killing ten folks a second but that in some circumstances and favorable conditions against weakened/engaged enemies an opportunistic bomber who has as a part of his suite the eye ultimate can score some strong kills for a few seconds.

that does not lead one to the conclusion that its the destro ultimate that is the root of the problem by any conclusive measure.

heck, it doesn't even establish there is a problem?

or is it your claim that good bomber builds only came into existance when eye of the storm came into play?

Seems to me i remember VD being a hue and cry well before then.

So, summary...
not one second.
not eye of the storm per se
not against ten opponents fighting back or able to focus on countering it
not a problem as portrayed in the OP.

Not saying L2P but more saying learn to construct poionts that prove a case beyond just stringing hyperbole and hoping folks don't notice.

Tan9oSuccka

Samadhi wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

OP, please join the "We Can't Beat Em So We Want Them Nerfed" guild. It's growing in size quite fast!

1 v 1, in an open environment. Sure, L2P.

The way it's being used is making PVP pretty unenjoyable. Oh look! 50 yellows along with the Emperor just burst through the front door and popped their eye of the flame/storm ultimates.

"PURE SKILL BRAH!!!"

This highlights what the actual problem is. So many have touched on it without calling it out. The issue isn't the ultimate, it's the zergs. Why are there no "Nerf Zergs" threads?
...

There have been plenty,
it is why we have things like Vicious Death and Proxy Det in the game

The problem is the zergs are using these skills as well.

I like the idea of giving smaller groups tools to take on larger ones, but in practice it's mostly the other way around.

(Other than a suicide bomber that kills three opening a dolmen chest, and is immediately murdered.)