STEVIL wrote: »

Killing 10 v 1 in one second all because of one ability? (Obviously the "other things" don't matter cuz the only thing needing need is this uk to, right?)

So that's like after battle spirit and mitigation shields etc about 20k health damage per tick?

Man... Doesn't look like any tooltips I have seen.

Please show screen cap of 1 killing 10 in 1s.

Thanks.

OP said "and other things" so he probably meant mag nb bomber wearing vd which can kill dozen people in around 1-2 sec.

Anyway single destro ult is not a problem, the problem is many players can stack it and run happy destro trains decimating everything on their road.

It's been nerfed. And the ultimate, unless you're a sorc, is expensive. 250 ulti or 240 for templars.

I'm a Stamina Nightblade and a bomber will never successfully bomb me because I'm not ***. Learn to play.

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

Anyway single destro ult is not a problem, the problem is many players can stack it and run happy destro trains decimating everything on their road.

Yes, and then my gf comes who's a bomber and bombs them, and I finish them off, just the two of us. That's what bombers are for. Done it to many organized groups on PC EU many times (Unfriendly Fire, Wabbajack, even Zerg Squad). And you wanna nerf it to encourage "zerg or go home"?

The cries of babies are poisonous to the ears. I'm so tired of seeing nerf threads. They are poisonous to the eyes. I feel nauseous when I see these threads.

I have to ask, why is everything "OP" except for your build?

I swear, they should make a pvp mode where everyone wears the same equipment and have the same abilities.They should remove ultimates and long range attacks. Better yet, combat should only consist of 1v1 fist fights to prevent zerging.

Better yet, to compensate for lag, combat should be held through the whisper system. The one with the harshest message that makes your opponent cry, is the winner.

If you're the focus of attack, a good bomber can and will stay on you the whole time. 1 immovable pot as they can gap close to thier hearts content. I got hit with a 35k destro ultimate as a non bank the other day, it was his ability too cast, specifically fear, that ended me. Name another skill that lets up do 30k aoe (resistance helps, i only use 15k) unblockable damage that lets you use ccs, damage skills, and defense in the process ?

I do think it allows too much from the user for the way it does damage. The real culprit is them making it so powerful bc of its high ultimate cost.

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

RocketQueen wrote: »

Too many sore losers posting nerf threads...please stop #NoMoreNerfs

Bruh I am a looser for posting that this ability is broken?

I wouldn't say that (also a sore loser is in the specific context of losing in competition, not the same as a loser in life).

I would say that your original post makes you sound inexperienced and biased because it's so hyperbolic. A "simple" player will not be able to kill 10 players in a second. It takes skill, knowledge, practice, a specific build and specific circumstances to pull it off. You give no indication that you understand the mechanics involved in what's going. Also, if you cant notice a bomber incoming, that's a you issue, not a game issue.

OP, please join the "We Can't Beat Em So We Want Them Nerfed" guild. It's growing in size quite fast!

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

It's enough. A simple player using this skills and other things

That's the key part. You wouldn't die from Eye of the Storm alone if you recognize it.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

So why aren't you using the destruction staff ultimate, then?
You just want to complain about something you don't want to use, because it killed you in PvP. People like you won't be happy until everything is nerfed except what YOU want to use.
#NoMoreNerfs

So, we all should quit our builds to use what everyone else uses? *sighs*

I agree with the topic starter. At the very least, the radius on some of the attacks (Grothdar with the other red ring of death that it gets paired with) need lowered as by time you see it, you can't run away as it melts you. That's not balanced. I honestly wouldn't mind the fact some magic builds have very high crit damage IF they'd revery some changes to stam nb, as our attacks do WAY less than were originally intended, or in some cases, removed entirely.

The_Duke wrote: »

I love how people defend this Ult. Eye of the storm mixed with immovable pots and a pocket healer with blur or rapid maneuver/lotus fan spam is untouchable unless you have a negate ready.

Its not a L2P issue its an over performance issue. Its made alot of bad pvpers alot of AP.

if you have a pocket healer and potions and lotus can i also have with my ten guys a pocket healer each plus healing potions plus oh IDK a high resistance and if i also have all those things how again are these ticks killing me in and my nine buds in say 1 second or even nine?

make it channeled or works the same as mist form w/o the "prevent healing part" and we're all be happy

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

It's enough. A simple player using this skills and other things in PVP can kill like 10 players in a second. That's not what I call "balanced". In my opinion, this ultimate damage should be reduced by at least 1K damage to let the players the time to NOTICE that there's a bomber before getting killed -_-

I don't have a problem with these bombers. You just have to be alert and not group around everyone. Also, if you are in a group, some of them do tell you to put your shields up. I give recommendations all the time with certain factions and their particular groups. If your group continually gets bombed...I'd suggest running with a different group that's more alert.

If you walk on a flag and take it...silence...then a bunch of your guys come to join for the tick...silence...that's a setup to me and I'm not gonna be hanging around your group really close to find out. I will also have my shields up.

The_Duke wrote: »

I love how people defend this Ult. Eye of the storm mixed with immovable pots and a pocket healer with blur or rapid maneuver/lotus fan spam is untouchable unless you have a negate ready.

Its not a L2P issue its an over performance issue. Its made alot of bad pvpers alot of AP.

Agree.It's bad being caught by one, but i changed my mind about nerfing it.

One of my death recap was 5 EotF used by 5 different players...That is serious, and some pvp guilds only accept you if you have destro ulti..

seedubsrun wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

OP, please join the "We Can't Beat Em So We Want Them Nerfed" guild. It's growing in size quite fast!

1 v 1, in an open environment. Sure, L2P.

The way it's being used is making PVP pretty unenjoyable. Oh look! 50 yellows along with the Emperor just burst through the front door and popped their eye of the flame/storm ultimates.

"PURE SKILL BRAH!!!"

This highlights what the actual problem is. So many have touched on it without calling it out. The issue isn't the ultimate, it's the zergs. Why are there no "Nerf Zergs" threads?
...

There have been plenty,
it is why we have things like Vicious Death and Proxy Det in the game

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Killing 10 v 1 in one second all because of one ability? (Obviously the "other things" don't matter cuz the only thing needing need is this uk to, right?)

So that's like after battle spirit and mitigation shields etc about 20k health damage per tick?

Man... Doesn't look like any tooltips I have seen.

Please show screen cap of 1 killing 10 in 1s.

Thanks.

Go check on YouTube. Bomber PVP

Well see thats where your superbly well established claims seem to fail to quite make the cut.

See, those youtubes i have seen from time to time that focus on this kind of gameplay - they dont just kill ten folks in a second with destro ulti eye.

they tend to have things like - mix and match - vicious death, grothdar, spellweave, clever alchey and so on and so on - so that in addition to the ultimate they get lots of other damage pouring out...

they also seem to tend to bomb into existing fights where characters are tied up with other adversaries or that kind of thing... so again their damage from all their sources is being added to a lot of other stuff going on.

And even then, its multiple seconds before they wrack up ten kills - though VD procs do chain rather quickly once things start falling apart (that what 16k before BS boom per kill - do you think maybe that can also play a slight minor perhaps only trivial role in the death of many?)

So, what this seems to say is not that the destro ulti is killing ten folks a second but that in some circumstances and favorable conditions against weakened/engaged enemies an opportunistic bomber who has as a part of his suite the eye ultimate can score some strong kills for a few seconds.

that does not lead one to the conclusion that its the destro ultimate that is the root of the problem by any conclusive measure.

heck, it doesn't even establish there is a problem?

or is it your claim that good bomber builds only came into existance when eye of the storm came into play?

Seems to me i remember VD being a hue and cry well before then.

So, summary...
not one second.
not eye of the storm per se
not against ten opponents fighting back or able to focus on countering it
not a problem as portrayed in the OP.

Not saying L2P but more saying learn to construct poionts that prove a case beyond just stringing hyperbole and hoping folks don't notice.