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Why do we bother with PTS when ...
Anne_Firehawk
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it gets changed anyways on Patchday? 
Anne Firehawk | Legate | Bringer of Light | Voice of Reason | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Magicka DK forever
GUAR SQUAD OP
All Hardmodes done, WTB content.
Cancercrates are ruining the game
DD | Phoenix Reborn
GM | Tamriels Emporium
#permabanAPFlippers
GUAR SQUAD OP
All Hardmodes done, WTB content.
Cancercrates are ruining the game
DD | Phoenix Reborn
GM | Tamriels Emporium
#permabanAPFlippers
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casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭We bother with PTS so that it gets changed on patch day. The changes made today reflect the testing and feedback we gave.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.23 -
dennissomb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭That is pretty much the entire point of the PTS. Have players try the content, make comments, find bugs, allow ZOS to test the enviroment etc so they CAN make changes4 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sadly, there's no indication that they took any of the feedback on the new house seriously. No changes there.
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Anne_Firehawk✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Sadly, there's no indication that they took any of the feedback on the new house seriously. No changes there.
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Entire Threads got completely ignoredAnne Firehawk | Legate | Bringer of Light | Voice of Reason | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Magicka DK forever
GUAR SQUAD OP
All Hardmodes done, WTB content.
Cancercrates are ruining the game
DD | Phoenix Reborn
GM | Tamriels Emporium
#permabanAPFlippers3 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They took no feedback on improving thieving in morrowind either, doors locked and motifs are locked behind limited thieving6 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »[snip]
I get most people would like a universal hard counter across the board. Might as well shelve the class then. But nothing would change because you'd simply complain about something else you can't kill then.
[Edited for removed quote]Edited by ZOS_Mika on August 14, 2017 2:19PMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Unpopular opinion: most feedback should be ignored, as it isn't very good.
And I don't know how you can say ZOS doesn't want feedback, given that the vast majority of the substantive changes in this patch are in response to player feedback.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.9 -
Anne_Firehawk✭✭✭✭✭Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Are you one of those who bought Mother's Sorrow pieces from me for 10-30k?
Sold them myself for 40K each Anne Firehawk | Legate | Bringer of Light | Voice of Reason | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Magicka DK forever
GUAR SQUAD OP
All Hardmodes done, WTB content.
Cancercrates are ruining the game
DD | Phoenix Reborn
GM | Tamriels Emporium
#permabanAPFlippers5 -
NuclearPath✭✭Mothers sorrow nerf hurts a bit, had my mind set on using it for builds but now I gotta figure out how to replace it. They also changed up shadow on us last minute too, adding even more challenge to creating builds, they should've left stuff mostly the same from 3.1.4, they didn't seem to have anything major to fix there from the patch prior but suddenly either all the fun stuff we found needs a nerf or the stuff they already nerfed needs and even bigger nerf (thief)...0
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Unpopular opinion: most feedback should be ignored, as it isn't very good.
And I don't know how you can say ZOS doesn't want feedback, given that the vast majority of the substantive changes in this patch are in response to player feedback.
I'd be very interested to know by what metric you attempt to judge feedback without the knowledge and resources at the devs disposal.
Very, very interested. @casparian
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✭✭✭✭✭I think the patch notes look pretty great all things considered. Eagerly anticipating servers getting back online. I do see how this patch was pretty heavily focused on balances though and would be less interesting to people involved in other aspects of the game like housing and such. Im sure your update is coming. A big balance patch has been needed for a long time, far before housing was a thing. Give it some time, ZOS may be slow (really slow sometimes), but they do get around to things.2 -
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notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭I k ow it is hard for some people to understand but PTS is not intended to change much. I'll make a list:
1. Is it a major bug that breaks gameplay? No, move on
2. Is it something very overpowered? No, move on
3. Nothing left for limited testing to fix
Minor issues and imbalance are unimportant to the tiny testing sizes for a PTS, even in more popular games.
Housing is irrelevant unless there is an exploit or something is working as not intended. Most complaints I sawfor housing were preference. Your preference is not ZoS's priority2 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Unpopular opinion: most feedback should be ignored, as it isn't very good.
And I don't know how you can say ZOS doesn't want feedback, given that the vast majority of the substantive changes in this patch are in response to player feedback.
I'd be very interested to know by what metric you attempt to judge feedback without the knowledge and resources at the devs disposal.
Very, very interested. @casparian
Most likely experience as a developer or another position that deals with feedback. That or and understanding most long term gamers tend to figure out4 -
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✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Give tons of feedback. They want it but it does not mean they are going to agree and implement it all...Edited by notimetocare on August 14, 2017 11:48PM4 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We bother with PTS so that it gets changed on patch day. The changes made today reflect the testing and feedback we gave.
That's a bunch of ***, they got a lot of positive feedback, a lot of stuff was very viable, diversity was there. Then they decided to nerf the mundus stones and traits and make it so it's just going to be 1 thing better than all.
The devs are truly among one of the worst I've seen, they don't communicate these changes and they go against what the community was actually looking forward for in a very long time.
This patch was headed in a great direction, easily *** up and missed a good thing.#MOREORBS9 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭We bother with PTS so that it gets changed on patch day. The changes made today reflect the testing and feedback we gave.
That's a bunch of ***, they got a lot of positive feedback, a lot of stuff was very viable, diversity was there. Then they decided to nerf the mundus stones and traits and make it so it's just going to be 1 thing better than all.
The devs are truly among one of the worst I've seen, they don't communicate these changes and they go against what the community was actually looking forward for in a very long time.
This patch was headed in a great direction, easily *** up and missed a good thing.
What's more, the devs are going against what they themselves have said they were going for in this patch: enabling player choice by increasing the viability of diverse options in PVE. After nearly a month of raising hopes that this would happen, they decided without any explanation to maintain the old single-BIS system that they've had. It's frustrating and mystifying.
My best guess is that they didn't want to maintain a single-BIS system, they saw that crit + Shadow was a favored setup on virtually all builds, and feared that the emerging crit meta was such a single-BIS system. They then overreacted, didn't do the math, and ended up cementing such a system even further.
Maybe that's not charitable, but since they aren't talking to us, I don't know what else to think.Edited by casparian on August 15, 2017 1:23AM7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.6 -
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✭✭✭✭Sixsixsix161 wrote: »
Yeah, he is right and I was wrong. I didn't appreciate the extent of what they changed between the last PTS build and the live version when I posted that.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »I k ow it is hard for some people to understand but PTS is not intended to change much. I'll make a list:
1. Is it a major bug that breaks gameplay? No, move on
2. Is it something very overpowered? No, move on
3. Nothing left for limited testing to fix
Minor issues and imbalance are unimportant to the tiny testing sizes for a PTS, even in more popular games.
Housing is irrelevant unless there is an exploit or something is working as not intended. Most complaints I sawfor housing were preference. Your preference is not ZoS's priority
Right. The point of PTS, primarily, is to test that the stuff ZOS have done actually works. There is a reason it's a Release Candidate build and not a Beta build. Release Candidate means major changes to things will usually only be made if there is a fatal error in the content.notimetocare wrote: »
Give tons of feedback. They want it but it does not mean they are going to agree and implement it all...Doctordarkspawn wrote: »UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭✭✭✭Sixsixsix161 wrote: »
Yeah, he is right and I was wrong. I didn't appreciate the extent of what they changed between the last PTS build and the live version when I posted that.
No, you were right, for what you said.
We bother with PTS so that the final cut, which we don't get to see before it comes out, has adequate feedback so that the developers have the information they need to make the final tuning decisions before release. Normally, ZOS takes a mixture of feedback, PTS monitoring, and QA evaluations and does whatever it is they do for that last build. That last build is usually "stay the course" a lot more than "rock the boat".
What seems to be more of a mystery is what ZOS was doing with PTS, this time. Normally, PTS starts off with a train wreck, followed by weeks of people hoping that ZOS fixes it, followed by weeks of complaining that ZOS never listens. This time, ZOS reserved the train wreck for the final update, and bypassed PTS completely.
By all appearances, the Combat Team was not prepared for PTS. It seems like they were weeks behind schedule and rushing to get things into the Update before the deadline.
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✭MornaBaine wrote: »Sadly, there's no indication that they took any of the feedback on the new house seriously. No changes there.
I'm sure I don't know what you mean.
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the_man_of_steal✭✭✭We bother with PTS so that it gets changed on patch day. The changes made today reflect the testing and feedback we gave.
I am sorry but the changes do not at all reflect what has been tested in the previous 5 weeks. The PTS was as close to balancing ESO as it has ever been. BIS was quite situational and even if you didn't have BIS your DPS was only off by a narrow margin. Now, Warrior and Apprentice are king, we have no clue what sets are good or bad, weapon traits need to be tested further but it seems nirn and infused are bis, oh and infal is the king of all unless zos changes their "error" of giving the 5 pc 2 bonuses.
So no, I respectfully disagree about these changes reflecting anything we've been testing on the PTS.4 -
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Thank god they do.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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lauykanson✭✭✭Thats why you can`t let undereducated people to handle game balancing...rip eso...still gonna play and sub but all credit goes to the graphics/audio design team...devs you really should look into the mirror and feel ashamed.0
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✭Actually, I DIDNT mess with the PTS this time. Learned a lesson with Morrowind. They react to issues with 100 posts or more, MAYBE, if its something they really wanted feedback on. Then, MAYBE it will be changed by the next update.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.1 -
FoolishHuman✭✭✭✭✭Game design is not a democracy nor should it be. Most people complaining here are just laymen, the devs are game designers. Players always want more power, most are too invested in the game themselves to assess rule changes. I'm actually glad this is one of the few games where it's not just the angry internet mob deciding what gets patched.
But somehow random youtubers and forum users know best.3 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
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Lol. How you people seem to think that now that the patch is live they can't change anything else.We bother with PTS so that it gets changed on patch day. The changes made today reflect the testing and feedback we gave.
That's a bunch of ***, they got a lot of positive feedback, a lot of stuff was very viable, diversity was there. Then they decided to nerf the mundus stones and traits and make it so it's just going to be 1 thing better than all.
The devs are truly among one of the worst I've seen, they don't communicate these changes and they go against what the community was actually looking forward for in a very long time.
This patch was headed in a great direction, easily *** up and missed a good thing.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
Arg | Pc Na | Factionless Mag Warden.1
