Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Abstraqt wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Abstraqt it seems like this build is very strong, would you mind answering a few questions I have concerning? I'm particularly concerned with potential easy counters. To be specific, how does one deal with a mag sorc camping mines? Traditional meleebuilds are either stam and can afford to eat the root and damage or less reliant on light attack weaving than your build.

Actually, this applies to all root spam, how do you deal with mDK root pressure with all those DoTs running on you, dueling trap spammers, etc.

I understand it's not the most attractive footage and why you left it out of your highlights, but do you have videos of how you deal with these situations? I've been playing a Melee mageblade a bit for giggles and struggle with these things without having either mist form or forward momentum slotted.

Sure thing Vs sorcs I'll just cripple them when they're near the outside of the mines then just run around to start doing damage to them, taking out mines is pretty easy with this build just cripple, fear then run though a couple of them so the sorc can't captivate on it then they're left pretty open to attacks. Vs magdks it's easy, this build is super tanky so if they wanna root me that's fine, I just roll dodge out then just use cripple to remain behind them as much as I can. General truck to dealing with roots is spam cripple and stay behind them.

In my experience, "stay behind them" isn't a functional defense against root pressure.

If he changes to 2h and slots forward momentum, that should cover it lol.

But like you said, shield stacking for defense is tough when you need to be offensive to counter another class. But the same can be said when trying to run vamp since mist form keeps you from doing anything but moving around like a fart in the wind.

Not exactly. You can use mist like a shuffle except on demand. 'Cancel' out of it. You only lose recovery while in mist form so it is not always advantageous to use it to reposition. If you are a vampire dks can damage you ok but they cannot control you.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Magicka players are so hypocritical.

"Viper, and Selene? Cancer!"

"Torug's, and Skoria? Nice legitimate build!"

Just like the proctards, if you use Skoria; I won't respect you as an opponent.

I don't see how people compare skoria with the other proc sets it has a 2 second delay and is highly telegraphed. It really isn't that bad. It's strong but Definitely not a game changer. You can't really crutch on it like viper and selenes together. If you lose to someone using skoria they would probably beat you without it. I don't think that's always the case with viper and velidreth/selenes. I won't speak on torugs because i haven't been able to test the buff but it's always been pretty strong it's just no one ever used it

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Jawasa wrote: »

@Lexxypwns In a 1v1 just root the dk right back

Mageblade, particularly shield stacking ones, lack the ability to sustain defensively going toe to toe with an mDK so root them back isn't going to work either, you will still need to move out of melee range or their heals and pressure will ultimately beat you. They can stay offensive while you will have to stop pressuring to stack shields.

I'm not being critical of OP, I'm just curious how one goes about certain fights with this setup. I would love to use dw melee mageblade, I just haven't found a build that can combat the mobility issues I'm faced with.

Have you tried shade into cloak?

Thats what i usualy do if i am pinned by dks.

Is it worth getting before the patch?

Looking forward to the vid, still need to farm gear for my setup. I'll be trying something a little different.

Gonna try amber over necro, no skoria i'll go 1 regen monster set and the new 1x magicka and stamina monster set.

I'll still hit 40k magicka and 2.5k regen but i'll have 1100~ stam regen and 12.5k stamina, enough to be able to roll if i get root locked. I won't have shields quite as big but in return i'll have 15% dodge chance with them. Should be easier to deal with mag dk's, also as a breton i have 24k spell resist with torugs which is around most heavy builds armour @Lexxypwns

Though with amber i can go all spell dmg glyphs and get 2,850 spell dmg without the backbar spell dmg enchant (which is pretty much 100% uptime because infused/ torugs)

I'm going for a more open world kind of feel with dodge chance and cloak.

Also for people suggesting go 2h, half the reason of using torugs is to double proc enchants with dw.

Jawasa wrote: »

@Lexxypwns The thing with this build is that with a 2,5 k regen I think you can sustain for long and just weaving and keeping dots up will still put some pressure on the magdk. Also he is using funnel so plenty of self heals to go with the shield. But I haven't played any smallscale pvp or duels on my mageblade this patch so I might be wrong but @Abstraqt don't seem to think magdk is a problem.

Yea, dks were a problem until I dropped vamp, since then I haven't lost to one, I think the only duel I've almost lost was Vs another mag nb lol

Lexxypwns wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Magicka players are so hypocritical.

"Viper, and Selene? Cancer!"

"Torug's, and Skoria? Nice legitimate build!"

Just like the proctards, if you use Skoria; I won't respect you as an opponent.

I don't see how people compare skoria with the other proc sets it has a 2 second delay and is highly telegraphed. It really isn't that bad. It's strong but Definitely not a game changer. You can't really crutch on it like viper and selenes together. If you lose to someone using skoria they would probably beat you without it. I don't think that's always the case with viper and velidreth/selenes. I won't speak on torugs because i haven't been able to test the buff but it's always been pretty strong it's just no one ever used it

Actually, skoria is broken OP, it's all the damage you need to build into most mag builds allowing you to go defensive set+sustain set and still have insane burst from skoria and light armor passives.

From using it for a few months on a mag nb I can say it's really good damage, the fact that it's temperamental whether or not it's going to proc stops it from being op, I think it should have a telegraph like meteor around your feet when it's about to hit so you can at least block it

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Jawasa wrote: »

@Lexxypwns In a 1v1 just root the dk right back

Mageblade, particularly shield stacking ones, lack the ability to sustain defensively going toe to toe with an mDK so root them back isn't going to work either, you will still need to move out of melee range or their heals and pressure will ultimately beat you. They can stay offensive while you will have to stop pressuring to stack shields.

I'm not being critical of OP, I'm just curious how one goes about certain fights with this setup. I would love to use dw melee mageblade, I just haven't found a build that can combat the mobility issues I'm faced with.

Have you tried shade into cloak?

nah, it's more efficient to run 2h and slot forward momentum, the loss in damage sucks but opens up your mobility without the extra skill

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Looking forward to the vid, still need to farm gear for my setup. I'll be trying something a little different.

Gonna try amber over necro, no skoria i'll go 1 regen monster set and the new 1x magicka and stamina monster set.

I'll still hit 40k magicka and 2.5k regen but i'll have 1100~ stam regen and 12.5k stamina, enough to be able to roll if i get root locked. I won't have shields quite as big but in return i'll have 15% dodge chance with them. Should be easier to deal with mag dk's, also as a breton i have 24k spell resist with torugs which is around most heavy builds armour @Lexxypwns

Though with amber i can go all spell dmg glyphs and get 2,850 spell dmg without the backbar spell dmg enchant (which is pretty much 100% uptime because infused/ torugs)

I'm going for a more open world kind of feel with dodge chance and cloak.

Also for people suggesting go 2h, half the reason of using torugs is to double proc enchants with dw.

DW is flat out more damage and allows you to run 5-5-2 on front bar, that far outweighs torugs.

Abstraqt wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Magicka players are so hypocritical.

"Viper, and Selene? Cancer!"

"Torug's, and Skoria? Nice legitimate build!"

Just like the proctards, if you use Skoria; I won't respect you as an opponent.

I don't see how people compare skoria with the other proc sets it has a 2 second delay and is highly telegraphed. It really isn't that bad. It's strong but Definitely not a game changer. You can't really crutch on it like viper and selenes together. If you lose to someone using skoria they would probably beat you without it. I don't think that's always the case with viper and velidreth/selenes. I won't speak on torugs because i haven't been able to test the buff but it's always been pretty strong it's just no one ever used it

Actually, skoria is broken OP, it's all the damage you need to build into most mag builds allowing you to go defensive set+sustain set and still have insane burst from skoria and light armor passives.

From using it for a few months on a mag nb I can say it's really good damage, the fact that it's temperamental whether or not it's going to proc stops it from being op, I think it should have a telegraph like meteor around your feet when it's about to hit so you can at least block it

Path+cripple is enough to proc skoria near on cool down and I can often secure kills on mageblade with skoria proc+will and never even need my offensive ultis

My play time has rendered me little more than a casual these days, but I've had insane success with skoria as my only damage set on all magika build except warden(even sorc, entropy+boundless is enough). There's no other 2pc set in the game that can boast it's enough damage to make any spec dangerous, there's only a few 5pcs as strong as skoria for pvp.

I mean, skoria contributes more to your burst than 5 necro does.

I can see momentum being effective against talons more than shade since it keeps you offensive and able to cloak and move, Ill have to give it a try.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Jawasa wrote: »

@Lexxypwns In a 1v1 just root the dk right back

Mageblade, particularly shield stacking ones, lack the ability to sustain defensively going toe to toe with an mDK so root them back isn't going to work either, you will still need to move out of melee range or their heals and pressure will ultimately beat you. They can stay offensive while you will have to stop pressuring to stack shields.

I'm not being critical of OP, I'm just curious how one goes about certain fights with this setup. I would love to use dw melee mageblade, I just haven't found a build that can combat the mobility issues I'm faced with.

Have you tried shade into cloak?

nah, it's more efficient to run 2h and slot forward momentum, the loss in damage sucks but opens up your mobility without the extra skill

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Looking forward to the vid, still need to farm gear for my setup. I'll be trying something a little different.

Gonna try amber over necro, no skoria i'll go 1 regen monster set and the new 1x magicka and stamina monster set.

I'll still hit 40k magicka and 2.5k regen but i'll have 1100~ stam regen and 12.5k stamina, enough to be able to roll if i get root locked. I won't have shields quite as big but in return i'll have 15% dodge chance with them. Should be easier to deal with mag dk's, also as a breton i have 24k spell resist with torugs which is around most heavy builds armour @Lexxypwns

Though with amber i can go all spell dmg glyphs and get 2,850 spell dmg without the backbar spell dmg enchant (which is pretty much 100% uptime because infused/ torugs)

I'm going for a more open world kind of feel with dodge chance and cloak.

Also for people suggesting go 2h, half the reason of using torugs is to double proc enchants with dw.

DW is flat out more damage and allows you to run 5-5-2 on front bar, that far outweighs torugs.

Abstraqt wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Magicka players are so hypocritical.

"Viper, and Selene? Cancer!"

"Torug's, and Skoria? Nice legitimate build!"

Just like the proctards, if you use Skoria; I won't respect you as an opponent.

I don't see how people compare skoria with the other proc sets it has a 2 second delay and is highly telegraphed. It really isn't that bad. It's strong but Definitely not a game changer. You can't really crutch on it like viper and selenes together. If you lose to someone using skoria they would probably beat you without it. I don't think that's always the case with viper and velidreth/selenes. I won't speak on torugs because i haven't been able to test the buff but it's always been pretty strong it's just no one ever used it

Actually, skoria is broken OP, it's all the damage you need to build into most mag builds allowing you to go defensive set+sustain set and still have insane burst from skoria and light armor passives.

From using it for a few months on a mag nb I can say it's really good damage, the fact that it's temperamental whether or not it's going to proc stops it from being op, I think it should have a telegraph like meteor around your feet when it's about to hit so you can at least block it

Path+cripple is enough to proc skoria near on cool down and I can often secure kills on mageblade with skoria proc+will and never even need my offensive ultis

My play time has rendered me little more than a casual these days, but I've had insane success with skoria as my only damage set on all magika build except warden(even sorc, entropy+boundless is enough). There's no other 2pc set in the game that can boast it's enough damage to make any spec dangerous, there's only a few 5pcs as strong as skoria for pvp.

I mean, skoria contributes more to your burst than 5 necro does.

I can see momentum being effective against talons more than shade since it keeps you offensive and able to cloak and move, Ill have to give it a try.

But if you use 2h you lose the 5/5/2 and double proc glyphs with dw sadly

Exaaaactly

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Abstraqt wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Jawasa wrote: »

@Lexxypwns In a 1v1 just root the dk right back

Mageblade, particularly shield stacking ones, lack the ability to sustain defensively going toe to toe with an mDK so root them back isn't going to work either, you will still need to move out of melee range or their heals and pressure will ultimately beat you. They can stay offensive while you will have to stop pressuring to stack shields.

I'm not being critical of OP, I'm just curious how one goes about certain fights with this setup. I would love to use dw melee mageblade, I just haven't found a build that can combat the mobility issues I'm faced with.

Have you tried shade into cloak?

nah, it's more efficient to run 2h and slot forward momentum, the loss in damage sucks but opens up your mobility without the extra skill

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Looking forward to the vid, still need to farm gear for my setup. I'll be trying something a little different.

Gonna try amber over necro, no skoria i'll go 1 regen monster set and the new 1x magicka and stamina monster set.

I'll still hit 40k magicka and 2.5k regen but i'll have 1100~ stam regen and 12.5k stamina, enough to be able to roll if i get root locked. I won't have shields quite as big but in return i'll have 15% dodge chance with them. Should be easier to deal with mag dk's, also as a breton i have 24k spell resist with torugs which is around most heavy builds armour @Lexxypwns

Though with amber i can go all spell dmg glyphs and get 2,850 spell dmg without the backbar spell dmg enchant (which is pretty much 100% uptime because infused/ torugs)

I'm going for a more open world kind of feel with dodge chance and cloak.

Also for people suggesting go 2h, half the reason of using torugs is to double proc enchants with dw.

DW is flat out more damage and allows you to run 5-5-2 on front bar, that far outweighs torugs.

Abstraqt wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Magicka players are so hypocritical.

"Viper, and Selene? Cancer!"

"Torug's, and Skoria? Nice legitimate build!"

Just like the proctards, if you use Skoria; I won't respect you as an opponent.

I don't see how people compare skoria with the other proc sets it has a 2 second delay and is highly telegraphed. It really isn't that bad. It's strong but Definitely not a game changer. You can't really crutch on it like viper and selenes together. If you lose to someone using skoria they would probably beat you without it. I don't think that's always the case with viper and velidreth/selenes. I won't speak on torugs because i haven't been able to test the buff but it's always been pretty strong it's just no one ever used it

Actually, skoria is broken OP, it's all the damage you need to build into most mag builds allowing you to go defensive set+sustain set and still have insane burst from skoria and light armor passives.

From using it for a few months on a mag nb I can say it's really good damage, the fact that it's temperamental whether or not it's going to proc stops it from being op, I think it should have a telegraph like meteor around your feet when it's about to hit so you can at least block it

Path+cripple is enough to proc skoria near on cool down and I can often secure kills on mageblade with skoria proc+will and never even need my offensive ultis

My play time has rendered me little more than a casual these days, but I've had insane success with skoria as my only damage set on all magika build except warden(even sorc, entropy+boundless is enough). There's no other 2pc set in the game that can boast it's enough damage to make any spec dangerous, there's only a few 5pcs as strong as skoria for pvp.

I mean, skoria contributes more to your burst than 5 necro does.

I can see momentum being effective against talons more than shade since it keeps you offensive and able to cloak and move, Ill have to give it a try.

But if you use 2h you lose the 5/5/2 and double proc glyphs with dw sadly

Exaaaactly

Rip oblivion enchant now though xD

Think i'm gonna go the magicka steal (3.8k tooltip and 580 magicka every 1.4s with torugs/ infused) Can crit.
And fire dmg

May change the magicka steal for prismatic in certain duels for the troll, 11k tooltip that can crit lmao.

Definitely haven't got 3 Torugs gold swords just to use prismatic Vs dks xD

Yeah. I typically weapon switch though and have either a hard cc like fear or agony ready, plus keep cloak on opposite bars