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Which class is the most powerful overall in open world PVP?
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templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mag SorcA good indication is given by the leaderboard of campaigns. Some days ago, at the end of Vivec, the most populated campaign on EU PS4 server, the first 100 players (all alliances) were:
39 templars
22 sorcerers
20 dragon knights
15 nightblades
4 warden
There is no distinction between magicka and stamina build, however.
You're joking right? In general, people on top of the leaderboards are some of the worst players in the game in terms of time played:skill demonstrated. Like in 9/10 cases. How long you play or how much ap you farm with your zerg guild is a terrible indicator of class performance.
Of course it's not a divine truth, and of course the skilfulness of single players has a crucial role, but it is certainly better than the subjective impressions of players who think "Classes X/Y/Z always get me rekt, so classes X/Y/Z are OP". If we want some objective, statistical, hard data, here is where we have to go.
No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period. This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.2 -
Morbash✭✭✭✭KennyFknPowers wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »Depends on the player... btw is this just a stealthy method to get mag sorc nerfed?
Don't worry ZoS won't touch their favorite class, it's pretty obvious by now.
It has been heavily nerfed multiple times since 1.7. I guess the nerf mob won't be happy until every class has been gutted as much as the mag dk.
Cyrodiil in the near future...
"War doesn't build character; it reveals it."4 -
Morbash✭✭✭✭Double postEdited by Morbash on August 7, 2017 10:59PM"War doesn't build character; it reveals it."0
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KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mag Sorc
Depends are we talking 1v1 of in general.1v1 stam sorc why better and in General stam sorc have better healing and just as good of a escape ability.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
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thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stam SorcI picked stam sorc. The ability to get to any spot you want at anytime is just so strong. As well as the ability to get away from any fight you don't want. No class can match the mobility of a stam sorc.2 -
SnubbS✭✭✭✭✭Stam NBWrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »LOL at all who voted Mag sorc - a mag sorc with a noob 10 man Zerg will die, a stam nb can escape and pick them off, other classes like mag dk mag temp, stam dk will all survive.
3 good but not great players will kill a mag sorc but then 3 players will struggle against other classes.
Mag sorc is good very good but many are actually terrible on it in Pvp
StamDK currently the worst of the 5 stam classes. 2h/Bow Stam in general is in a decent spot, so you'll get kills, 1vXs etc—but you can't do anything with StamDK that you can't do better with Stamplar, StamSorc or Stam Warden. Two of those classes have the equivalent of a built in proc set.
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SnubbS✭✭✭✭✭Stam NBWrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »LOL at all who voted Mag sorc - a mag sorc with a noob 10 man Zerg will die, a stam nb can escape and pick them off, other classes like mag dk mag temp, stam dk will all survive.
3 good but not great players will kill a mag sorc but then 3 players will struggle against other classes.
Mag sorc is good very good but many are actually terrible on it in Pvp
StamDK currently the worst of the 5 stam classes. 2h/Bow Stam in general is in a decent spot, so you'll get kills, 1vXs etc—but you can't do anything with StamDK that you can't do better with Stamplar, StamSorc or Stam Warden. Two of those classes have the equivalent of a built in proc set.
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Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not sure why people think skill is a factor.
I have several of every class. I keep at least one mag and one stam. The only thing that differentiates performance is the build...
If people concentrate hard enough, they will realize that the "great" players have two things in common. They have extreme damage and high survivability. Neither is skill based... Even running around a tree in circles at speed and ignoring snares is build based.
Ok, three things, they have Miat's addons as well.4 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period.
Putting aside ESO does not actually have open world PvP, the notion of 'open world PvP' does not require specific group size, so you can conduct 'open world PvP' in a zerg just as much as you can solo or in a smaller group.This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.
Skilled PvP threads appear on the forums for SC2, CS:GO, etc, not a game that does not have anything even close to competitive PvP, balance that is laughable, random lagfests that make the notion of skilled PvP laughable, hitboxes the size of barn doors, "highly skilled" design like being able to do massive damage from any random attack with multiple proc sets, etc, seriously if you think ESO is the place for skilled PvP, well, think again.
Edited by Sylosi on August 7, 2017 10:14PM4 -
Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mag SorcmSorc - ability to be tanky whilst also highly offensive and mobile at the same time w/ less effort than other classes makes them very fun open world0 -
ThoraxtheDark✭✭✭✭Mag DKdamn lol didnt expect those results, i picked mag dks because if you can play them right you can easily take a whole team. elusive mist is very great mobility.
wouldn't say sorcs are the worst / easiest. figured stam nbs would beat mag sorcs lol.
Im feeling a lot of mages wrath salt from this thread, people you have to keep your health above 50% when fighting sorcs or
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templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mag SorcNo not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period.
Putting aside ESO does not actually have open world PvP, the notion of 'open world PvP' does not require specific group size, so you can conduct 'open world PvP' in a zerg just as much as you can solo or in a smaller group.This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.
Skilled PvP threads appear on the forums for SC2, CS:GO, etc, not a game that does not have anything even close to competitive PvP, balance that is laughable, random lagfests that make the notion of skilled PvP laughable, hitboxes the size of barn doors, "highly skilled" design like being able to do massive damage from any random attack with multiple proc sets, etc, seriously if you think ESO is the place for skilled PvP, well, think again.
To say their is no such thing as skilled pvp or skilled pvpers in this game is completely asinine.Edited by templesus on August 7, 2017 11:14PM4 -
Rohaus✭✭✭✭✭Mag SorcAnyone that votes for something other than Mag Sorc mains one.YouTube channel Rohaus Lives!
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ChildOfLight✭✭✭Mag SorcFun fact there are some people that voted for StamDk.
Heck stamDk is not even the best between stam classes.PC EU
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StormWylf✭✭✭✭The OP asks, "Which class is the most powerful overall in open world PVP?"
I submit the question ought to be, which class is the most powerful overall in open world PvP this month?2 -
Surak73✭✭✭✭✭A good indication is given by the leaderboard of campaigns. Some days ago, at the end of Vivec, the most populated campaign on EU PS4 server, the first 100 players (all alliances) were:
39 templars
22 sorcerers
20 dragon knights
15 nightblades
4 warden
There is no distinction between magicka and stamina build, however.
You're joking right? In general, people on top of the leaderboards are some of the worst players in the game in terms of time played:skill demonstrated. Like in 9/10 cases. How long you play or how much ap you farm with your zerg guild is a terrible indicator of class performance.
Of course it's not a divine truth, and of course the skilfulness of single players has a crucial role, but it is certainly better than the subjective impressions of players who think "Classes X/Y/Z always get me rekt, so classes X/Y/Z are OP". If we want some objective, statistical, hard data, here is where we have to go.
No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period. This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.
Well, actually OP asked "what IS the most powerful", not "which class do you FEEL as most poweful" or "which class wrecks you most", so I supposed it would be a good thing giving some objective data...
Anyway, be as you wish. Fortunately, ZOS seems to look at this objective data - well, the ones they have are more complete, of course - more than at the subjective impressions of players when it comes to decide how to balance the game.0 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period.
Putting aside ESO does not actually have open world PvP, the notion of 'open world PvP' does not require specific group size, so you can conduct 'open world PvP' in a zerg just as much as you can solo or in a smaller group.This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.
Skilled PvP threads appear on the forums for SC2, CS:GO, etc, not a game that does not have anything even close to competitive PvP, balance that is laughable, random lagfests that make the notion of skilled PvP laughable, hitboxes the size of barn doors, "highly skilled" design like being able to do massive damage from any random attack with multiple proc sets, etc, seriously if you think ESO is the place for skilled PvP, well, think again.
To say their is no such thing as skilled pvp or skilled pvpers in this game is completely asinine.
No dear, you are confusing that even in a game which is relatively low skill and that has no meaningful format or competitive playberbase to provide 'skilled PvP', you can still have some level of skill or that some players are more skilled than others, but in the grand scheme of 'skilled PvP' that is available in video games, the notion that you get that in say Cyrodil is laughable, people that genuinely want skilled PvP don't play ESO for that, the game is a joke in that regard.1 -
Eirella✭✭✭✭✭Stam NBDefinitely Stam NB. They are very strong (with or without procs,) and they have excellent mobility. If a zerg rolls by, just cloak and run away (not exactly "powerful" but very useful)
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John_1999✭✭✭Mag SorcIts not only the best class in PVP, it is also the best DD class in PVE, like for years now.
Buff Templaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!Magicka Templar: Tammi von Tamriel
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FakeFox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mag WardenThere is no definitive answer I guess. I'm currently playing Magwarden with 5 Shacklebreaker, 5 Necroptence, 1 Illambris (destro + restro) and it is disgustingly powerful. The Burst potential is insane and hard to avoid, since you can't doge or cleanse it, shields are huge with 55k max magicka, and that healing ult is just straight up broken. But it simply could be because it's pretty rare and people just don't know how to counter it yet. Apart from that think Magicka DK and Sorc are good candidates as well.Edited by FakeFox on August 8, 2017 12:44PMEU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)1 -
CrisXD✭✭✭Mag Sorcas a mag sorc myself our ability to hammer down a huge amount of damage reliably with a little sprinkle of RNG (for frag proc) and repeatedly, thank daedra for curse explosions being so potent and reliable and mage fury for being so overkill
Amen to that! ... however I also think its down to the playerPS4 EU
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Mag SorcFor any given individual, the class they are best at.
Overall, disengage skills are extremely powerful when considering open world PvP, so it's hard to touch sorc/NB, and at the moment procblade and magsorc are both in pretty good spots.
This is not a nerf sorc post.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
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✭✭✭✭Drakkdjinn wrote: »mSorc - ability to be tanky whilst also highly offensive and mobile at the same time w/ less effort than other classes makes them very fun open world
Doesn't matter what class I play.. I can be highly offensive anytime.. Just need to start typing
Can even be highly offensive on my mobile!Minalan owes me a beer.
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Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stam NBBump. Let's get more votes and constructive feedback.Edited by Skoomah on August 8, 2017 4:32PM0 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mag DKPutting stam sorc on this list doesn't even make any logical sense.
You are saying that non-class skills alone are better than class skills+non-class skills. It's logically non-sense.Tome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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IEatCivics✭✭✭Stam WardenStam Healing/Tank Wardens. Ignore Negates/bombs and just heal in them all day while throwing defiles, major armor & spell resist for your group, immobalizing, minor maiming enemies, permafrost stunning, tree ulti that cost nothing, guarding bombers etc etc. Just too dope of a support.
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✭Mag WardenYesWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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