Which class is the most powerful overall in open world PVP?

templesus

Mag Sorc

Surak73 wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Surak73 wrote: »

A good indication is given by the leaderboard of campaigns. Some days ago, at the end of Vivec, the most populated campaign on EU PS4 server, the first 100 players (all alliances) were:

39 templars
22 sorcerers
20 dragon knights
15 nightblades
4 warden

There is no distinction between magicka and stamina build, however.

You're joking right? In general, people on top of the leaderboards are some of the worst players in the game in terms of time played:skill demonstrated. Like in 9/10 cases. How long you play or how much ap you farm with your zerg guild is a terrible indicator of class performance.

Of course it's not a divine truth, and of course the skilfulness of single players has a crucial role, but it is certainly better than the subjective impressions of players who think "Classes X/Y/Z always get me rekt, so classes X/Y/Z are OP". If we want some objective, statistical, hard data, here is where we have to go.

No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period. This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.

Morbash

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Depends on the player... btw is this just a stealthy method to get mag sorc nerfed?

Don't worry ZoS won't touch their favorite class, it's pretty obvious by now.

It has been heavily nerfed multiple times since 1.7. I guess the nerf mob won't be happy until every class has been gutted as much as the mag dk.

Cyrodiil in the near future...

Morbash

Double post

KingJ

Mag Sorc

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Dr.NRG wrote: »

Well mag sorcs too they are just stupid, really gotta get nerfed!

What puts a stam sorc over a mag sorc or a stam blade at the moment?

Depends are we talking 1v1 of in general.1v1 stam sorc why better and in General stam sorc have better healing and just as good of a escape ability.

thankyourat

Stam Sorc

I picked stam sorc. The ability to get to any spot you want at anytime is just so strong. As well as the ability to get away from any fight you don't want. No class can match the mobility of a stam sorc.

SnubbS

Stam NB

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

LOL at all who voted Mag sorc - a mag sorc with a noob 10 man Zerg will die, a stam nb can escape and pick them off, other classes like mag dk mag temp, stam dk will all survive.

3 good but not great players will kill a mag sorc but then 3 players will struggle against other classes.

Mag sorc is good very good but many are actually terrible on it in Pvp

StamDK currently the worst of the 5 stam classes. 2h/Bow Stam in general is in a decent spot, so you'll get kills, 1vXs etc—but you can't do anything with StamDK that you can't do better with Stamplar, StamSorc or Stam Warden. Two of those classes have the equivalent of a built in proc set.

SnubbS

Stam NB

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

LOL at all who voted Mag sorc - a mag sorc with a noob 10 man Zerg will die, a stam nb can escape and pick them off, other classes like mag dk mag temp, stam dk will all survive.

3 good but not great players will kill a mag sorc but then 3 players will struggle against other classes.

Mag sorc is good very good but many are actually terrible on it in Pvp

StamDK currently the worst of the 5 stam classes. 2h/Bow Stam in general is in a decent spot, so you'll get kills, 1vXs etc—but you can't do anything with StamDK that you can't do better with Stamplar, StamSorc or Stam Warden. Two of those classes have the equivalent of a built in proc set.

Wreuntzylla

Not sure why people think skill is a factor.

I have several of every class. I keep at least one mag and one stam. The only thing that differentiates performance is the build...

If people concentrate hard enough, they will realize that the "great" players have two things in common. They have extreme damage and high survivability. Neither is skill based... Even running around a tree in circles at speed and ignoring snares is build based.

Ok, three things, they have Miat's addons as well.

Juhasow

Why so many people mistakes word brainless with powerfull...

Sylosi

templesus wrote: »

No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period.

Putting aside ESO does not actually have open world PvP, the notion of 'open world PvP' does not require specific group size, so you can conduct 'open world PvP' in a zerg just as much as you can solo or in a smaller group.

templesus wrote: »

This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.

Skilled PvP threads appear on the forums for SC2, CS:GO, etc, not a game that does not have anything even close to competitive PvP, balance that is laughable, random lagfests that make the notion of skilled PvP laughable, hitboxes the size of barn doors, "highly skilled" design like being able to do massive damage from any random attack with multiple proc sets, etc, seriously if you think ESO is the place for skilled PvP, well, think again.

Drakkdjinn

Mag Sorc

mSorc - ability to be tanky whilst also highly offensive and mobile at the same time w/ less effort than other classes makes them very fun open world

ThoraxtheDark

Mag DK

damn lol didnt expect those results, i picked mag dks because if you can play them right you can easily take a whole team. elusive mist is very great mobility.

wouldn't say sorcs are the worst / easiest. figured stam nbs would beat mag sorcs lol.

Im feeling a lot of mages wrath salt from this thread, people you have to keep your health above 50% when fighting sorcs or

GOODNIGHT

templesus

Mag Sorc

Sylosi wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period.

Putting aside ESO does not actually have open world PvP, the notion of 'open world PvP' does not require specific group size, so you can conduct 'open world PvP' in a zerg just as much as you can solo or in a smaller group.

templesus wrote: »

This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.

Skilled PvP threads appear on the forums for SC2, CS:GO, etc, not a game that does not have anything even close to competitive PvP, balance that is laughable, random lagfests that make the notion of skilled PvP laughable, hitboxes the size of barn doors, "highly skilled" design like being able to do massive damage from any random attack with multiple proc sets, etc, seriously if you think ESO is the place for skilled PvP, well, think again.

To say their is no such thing as skilled pvp or skilled pvpers in this game is completely asinine.

Rohaus

Mag Sorc

Anyone that votes for something other than Mag Sorc mains one.

Mondini

Mag Warden

Who ever kills me honestly.

ChildOfLight

Mag Sorc

Fun fact there are some people that voted for StamDk.

Heck stamDk is not even the best between stam classes.

StormWylf

The OP asks, "Which class is the most powerful overall in open world PVP?"

I submit the question ought to be, which class is the most powerful overall in open world PvP this month?

Surak73

templesus wrote: »

Surak73 wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Surak73 wrote: »

A good indication is given by the leaderboard of campaigns. Some days ago, at the end of Vivec, the most populated campaign on EU PS4 server, the first 100 players (all alliances) were:

39 templars
22 sorcerers
20 dragon knights
15 nightblades
4 warden

There is no distinction between magicka and stamina build, however.

You're joking right? In general, people on top of the leaderboards are some of the worst players in the game in terms of time played:skill demonstrated. Like in 9/10 cases. How long you play or how much ap you farm with your zerg guild is a terrible indicator of class performance.

Of course it's not a divine truth, and of course the skilfulness of single players has a crucial role, but it is certainly better than the subjective impressions of players who think "Classes X/Y/Z always get me rekt, so classes X/Y/Z are OP". If we want some objective, statistical, hard data, here is where we have to go.

No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period. This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.

Well, actually OP asked "what IS the most powerful", not "which class do you FEEL as most poweful" or "which class wrecks you most", so I supposed it would be a good thing giving some objective data...

Anyway, be as you wish. Fortunately, ZOS seems to look at this objective data - well, the ones they have are more complete, of course - more than at the subjective impressions of players when it comes to decide how to balance the game.

Sylosi

templesus wrote: »

Sylosi wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

No not at all, that information is directly contrary to what the OP asked. OP asked for what the best class is for Open world pvp which entitles solo and small scale, not Zerging. Your "hard data" has no place in this thread and furthermore as stated above the players at the top are 9/10 times some of the worst players in PvP period.

Putting aside ESO does not actually have open world PvP, the notion of 'open world PvP' does not require specific group size, so you can conduct 'open world PvP' in a zerg just as much as you can solo or in a smaller group.

templesus wrote: »

This is not a Zergling thread it's a skilled pvp thread.

Skilled PvP threads appear on the forums for SC2, CS:GO, etc, not a game that does not have anything even close to competitive PvP, balance that is laughable, random lagfests that make the notion of skilled PvP laughable, hitboxes the size of barn doors, "highly skilled" design like being able to do massive damage from any random attack with multiple proc sets, etc, seriously if you think ESO is the place for skilled PvP, well, think again.

To say their is no such thing as skilled pvp or skilled pvpers in this game is completely asinine.

No dear, you are confusing that even in a game which is relatively low skill and that has no meaningful format or competitive playberbase to provide 'skilled PvP', you can still have some level of skill or that some players are more skilled than others, but in the grand scheme of 'skilled PvP' that is available in video games, the notion that you get that in say Cyrodil is laughable, people that genuinely want skilled PvP don't play ESO for that, the game is a joke in that regard.

Eirella

Stam NB

Definitely Stam NB. They are very strong (with or without procs,) and they have excellent mobility. If a zerg rolls by, just cloak and run away (not exactly "powerful" but very useful)

GreenhaloX

Keep_Door wrote: »

Being honest, it depends heavily on the player.

..or whether ones use CE or macros or whatever tweak possible to get one up on another.

John_1999

Mag Sorc

Its not only the best class in PVP, it is also the best DD class in PVE, like for years now.

Buff Templaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!

FakeFox

Mag Warden

There is no definitive answer I guess. I'm currently playing Magwarden with 5 Shacklebreaker, 5 Necroptence, 1 Illambris (destro + restro) and it is disgustingly powerful. The Burst potential is insane and hard to avoid, since you can't doge or cleanse it, shields are huge with 55k max magicka, and that healing ult is just straight up broken. But it simply could be because it's pretty rare and people just don't know how to counter it yet. Apart from that think Magicka DK and Sorc are good candidates as well.

CrisXD

Mag Sorc

dsalter wrote: »

as a mag sorc myself our ability to hammer down a huge amount of damage reliably with a little sprinkle of RNG (for frag proc) and repeatedly, thank daedra for curse explosions being so potent and reliable and mage fury for being so overkill

Amen to that! ... however I also think its down to the player

DeadlyRecluse

Mag Sorc

For any given individual, the class they are best at.

Overall, disengage skills are extremely powerful when considering open world PvP, so it's hard to touch sorc/NB, and at the moment procblade and magsorc are both in pretty good spots.

This is not a nerf sorc post.

Biro123

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

mSorc - ability to be tanky whilst also highly offensive and mobile at the same time w/ less effort than other classes makes them very fun open world

Doesn't matter what class I play.. I can be highly offensive anytime.. Just need to start typing

Can even be highly offensive on my mobile!

Skoomah

Stam NB

Bump. Let's get more votes and constructive feedback.

Cathexis

Mag DK

Putting stam sorc on this list doesn't even make any logical sense.

You are saying that non-class skills alone are better than class skills+non-class skills. It's logically non-sense.

IEatCivics

Stam Warden

Stam Healing/Tank Wardens. Ignore Negates/bombs and just heal in them all day while throwing defiles, major armor & spell resist for your group, immobalizing, minor maiming enemies, permafrost stunning, tree ulti that cost nothing, guarding bombers etc etc. Just too dope of a support.

Reference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o03p6MFTRIU

SanTii.92

Mag Warden

Yes