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What do you think of necropotence nerf?
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Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭I forgot about pvp, personally wish pets were disallowed in pvp and this is coming from a mag sorc player. I use it in pve but not pvp.0 -
lauykanson✭✭✭and now the mother sorrow price went skyrocket....before it was like 2-3k per divines piece2
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Wow my Mag Warden will only have 41,150 max magicka instead of 42,000 oh no!
People on this forum. lol
^That moment when you don't understand how stats work in this game....
The only place where this change is positive is in PvP, yet you'll still see those Pet builds that are broken in 1v1s since the inherent issues are untouched.
As for PvE, this set is now outclassed by other DPS sets which do not have a requirement for a living pet to be active.
That moment when maybe you should of kept all those videos of soloing dungeons under wraps.
If losing 850 magicka breaks your build well what can I say. Only my buff needs to be active, Blue Betty which you want to keep up anyway.
Why I mainly PvP any way.4 -
lauykanson✭✭✭Best example possible of listening to QQ instead of buffing the many sets that are completely trash. This change change will kill this set for any PvE build I would've used it for. Going from 4000 to 3150 is a massive nerf that even negates the 2/3/4 piece buffs.
To put this nerf in perspective:
People do not use Draugr Hulk, yet it doesn't even have a pet requirement. Necropotence has a serious requirement, yet now gives almost the same amount of stat bonus as Draugr Hulk. Moreover, the total Max Magicka increase is now a net loss from the value provided in Morrowind.
It was already tough to run this set. Next patch, it doesn't seem like there will be a reason to run this set anymore over the already new meta combo: Mother's Sorrow+Julianos.
Simply put, in HotR a Magicka Sorc would run
1x Ilambris/Iceheart+5x Mother's Sorrow+5x Julianos as the "BiS" build (according to every test right now besides the bugged Torug's Pact/Infused combo that just got fixed). Necropotence could replace one of these sets if a pet was used.
With this nerf, there is no need to use Necropotence at all, since the DPS will be the same (or less) and your pet can also die, leaving you with no 5-piece beneft and causing a large DPS loss.
......we will see. Not happy about this right now, especially with such of a massive nerf. It looks to me like there will be a singular "best" PvE DPS build in HotR now for most classes thanks to how ZOS is having a handful sets be even more powerful for PvE instead of buffing the weak sets.
And watch how mother sorrow gets nerfed soon2 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lauykanson wrote: »Best example possible of listening to QQ instead of buffing the many sets that are completely trash. This change change will kill this set for any PvE build I would've used it for. Going from 4000 to 3150 is a massive nerf that even negates the 2/3/4 piece buffs.
To put this nerf in perspective:
People do not use Draugr Hulk, yet it doesn't even have a pet requirement. Necropotence has a serious requirement, yet now gives almost the same amount of stat bonus as Draugr Hulk. Moreover, the total Max Magicka increase is now a net loss from the value provided in Morrowind.
It was already tough to run this set. Next patch, it doesn't seem like there will be a reason to run this set anymore over the already new meta combo: Mother's Sorrow+Julianos.
Simply put, in HotR a Magicka Sorc would run
1x Ilambris/Iceheart+5x Mother's Sorrow+5x Julianos as the "BiS" build (according to every test right now besides the bugged Torug's Pact/Infused combo that just got fixed). Necropotence could replace one of these sets if a pet was used.
With this nerf, there is no need to use Necropotence at all, since the DPS will be the same (or less) and your pet can also die, leaving you with no 5-piece beneft and causing a large DPS loss.
......we will see. Not happy about this right now, especially with such of a massive nerf. It looks to me like there will be a singular "best" PvE DPS build in HotR now for most classes thanks to how ZOS is having a handful sets be even more powerful for PvE instead of buffing the weak sets.
And watch how mother sorrow gets nerfed soon
Nope. ZOS could never do that since they just buffed it. It'd be admitting they made a mistake in some way.2 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Wow my Mag Warden will only have 41,150 max magicka instead of 42,000 oh no!
People on this forum. lol
^That moment when you don't understand how stats work in this game....
The only place where this change is positive is in PvP, yet you'll still see those Pet builds that are broken in 1v1s since the inherent issues are untouched.
As for PvE, this set is now outclassed by other DPS sets which do not have a requirement for a living pet to be active.
That moment when maybe you should of kept all those videos of soloing dungeons under wraps.
If losing 850 magicka breaks your build well what can I say. Only my buff needs to be active, Blue Betty which you want to keep up anyway.
Why I mainly PvP any way.
In PvP it'll basically be the same, though you'll probably want to look at sets that were buffed a lot this patch, not nerfed.
My focus is on PvE which changed a lot because of this. The singular pet DPS set.... is no longer going to put out the best DPS on a pet build?? Tf......
As for those solo vids, well you just wait until HotR launches on PS4 NA. I haven't really looked at the dungeons yet but hopefully I don't *need* a pet (they don't aggro bosses anymore
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Smasherx74✭✭✭✭✭
✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »VinyParsley2016 wrote: »
I thought it's 3150ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Item Sets- Necropotence: Reduced the Max Magicka increase granted by this Item Set to 3150 from 4000.
Wow I golded my necro set too.
Guess I'ma quit playing again.Master Debater4 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »VinyParsley2016 wrote: »
I thought it's 3150ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Item Sets- Necropotence: Reduced the Max Magicka increase granted by this Item Set to 3150 from 4000.
Wow I golded my necro set too.
Guess I'ma quit playing again.
RIP 40 wax .....2 -
Ulo✭✭✭✭I don't mind less people using Necropotence, means less dd's pets will pull agro from the boss during trials and cause the group to wipe.2 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Smasherx74 wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »VinyParsley2016 wrote: »
I thought it's 3150ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Item Sets- Necropotence: Reduced the Max Magicka increase granted by this Item Set to 3150 from 4000.
Wow I golded my necro set too.
Guess I'ma quit playing again.
LOL. I golded mine too. But I expected a nerf to come at any time, the mag it granted you was seriously high.
If you gold items with the expectation of being able to use them for a long time, you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.1 -
bottleofsyrup✭✭✭✭✭
✭A little disappointed but with the other set bonuses getting buffed I don't expect to see a huge drop in my stats.I don't mind less people using Necropotence, means less dd's pets will pull agro from the boss during trials and cause the group to wipe.
Lol, if the pet is "pulling aggro" from the boss, then sorry, but your tank wasn't keeping taunt up 100% of the time. That's their fault, not the sorc's pet.7 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I use necropotence, and will continue to use it. Change is OK IMHO.
Yeah, a spell damage/crit set will(and should) generally mean more damage, cos necro is close, but also gives more survivability.
That's where I'm at with my new sorc that I've been running it on. Between people railing against it for PVE purposes, and the overreacting over the nerf in general; I'm glad to see you post this as I know I've seen you post about sorcs for a while.1 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »VinyParsley2016 wrote: »
I thought it's 3150ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Item Sets- Necropotence: Reduced the Max Magicka increase granted by this Item Set to 3150 from 4000.
Wow I golded my necro set too.
Guess I'ma quit playing again.
If that small nerf causes you to quit, you are already on the fence leaning towards quitting.0 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Wow my Mag Warden will only have 41,150 max magicka instead of 42,000 oh no!
People on this forum. lol
^That moment when you don't understand how stats work in this game....
The only place where this change is positive is in PvP, yet you'll still see those Pet builds that are broken in 1v1s since the inherent issues are untouched.
As for PvE, this set is now outclassed by other DPS sets which do not have a requirement for a living pet to be active.
That moment when you can't math.
It's 466 less total magicka than live (not including stat increasing passives). I swear magsorcs get slaps on the wrists in the form of nerfs.
I wish Siphoning Strikes got nerfed to the same degree magsorcs did.11 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭100% useless in PvE now, while still going to be used by shield stackers in PvP.
And ZOS nerfed this set to nerf shield stacking...
If you want to nerf PvP, then don't nerf PvE. In this case, they nerfed PvE without actually nerfing PvP...Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 8, 2017 12:13AM5 -
Calsifer✭✭✭Stop nerfing. Just stop it. I am not against change, but I want to play, do vet trials, feel my character growing, not deteriorating. Let other sets get the spotlight without ruining what I have been building up to. Force me to farm gear and I am done, ZOS, please look at my crown store monthly purchases and see if your ok with losing me as a customer.Edited by Calsifer on August 8, 2017 12:30AM9 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭The change will likely have no effect on the broken Matriarch healing pvp build. Pets in general are ridiculous in pvp, should be disallowed or toned down.0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »VinyParsley2016 wrote: »
I thought it's 3150ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Item Sets- Necropotence: Reduced the Max Magicka increase granted by this Item Set to 3150 from 4000.
Wow I golded my necro set too.
Guess I'ma quit playing again.
I spent 1.5 million on the full set (PC market). That's not a reason to quit though. Sets come and go.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 8, 2017 12:15AM0 -
LadyLethalla✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm extremely p***ed off.
I spent a crapton of time farming 5 sets, four of which are getting nerfed with the next update. And I spent 685k on 2 Necro staves only 2 days ago, and golded them immediately. 685k may not sound a lot to you but it is for me. So yeah. Not happy, Jan.
"(Nerfs are) the nature of MMOs!" I hear you say. Well, I play to have fun. Farming is not fun when the drop rates are so abysmally low - even with the upcoming trait changes. And then when you've spent all that time farming or all that gold buying and then all those mats upgrading, BAM. You start wondering why you should keep playing.
I'm not prone to histrionics but I am getting very close to rage quitting permanently.
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WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's such a small nerf. Idk why people are so worried about it.Sorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's6 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »It's such a small nerf. Idk why people are so worried about it.
Because now, it's a straight up dps loss to use in PvE.
In PvP, you're right, it's too small to make a real difference in why you use it3 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭LadyLethalla wrote: »I'm extremely p***ed off.
I spent a crapton of time farming 5 sets, four of which are getting nerfed with the next update. And I spent 685k on 2 Necro staves only 2 days ago, and golded them immediately. 685k may not sound a lot to you but it is for me. So yeah. Not happy, Jan.
"(Nerfs are) the nature of MMOs!" I hear you say. Well, I play to have fun. Farming is not fun when the drop rates are so abysmally low - even with the upcoming trait changes. And then when you've spent all that time farming or all that gold buying and then all those mats upgrading, BAM. You start wondering why you should keep playing.
I'm not prone to histrionics but I am getting very close to rage quitting permanently.
Its not like it suddenly makes the set trash..
Its still a strong set. A loss of 850 magica isn't gonna suddenly mean you can no longer defeat a boss that you could last week. Yeah, it may not be bis anymore, but how much difference does it really make? How much longer will it take you to defeat that boss.? 3 seconds?, 5?
(will probably really be quicker due to 2-4 piece buffs and pet buffs and more CP... but hey.)
Seriously, this forum makes it sound like the end of the world.
Edited by Biro123 on August 8, 2017 12:31AMMinalan owes me a beer.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »It's such a small nerf. Idk why people are so worried about it.
Because now, it's a straight up dps loss to use in PvE.
In PvP, you're right, it's too small to make a real difference in why you use it
And they nerfed it because of PvP.
Classic ZOS...4 -
Nutshotz✭✭✭✭@SnubbS
Sorc pet builds will be unkillable in a 1v1. That made me chuckle.
No class is unkillable in a 1v1. Just gotta figure out that class's weakness in a single rotation.
I do understand that a pet build sorc won @Quantum_V dueling tournament last month if I'm not mistaken?1 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »It's such a small nerf. Idk why people are so worried about it.
Because now, it's a straight up dps loss to use in PvE.
In PvP, you're right, it's too small to make a real difference in why you use it
And they nerfed it because of PvP.
Classic ZOS...
Why do you keep saying that? They didn't say why they nerfed it.. You're just making stuff up and stating it as fact.Minalan owes me a beer.
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LadyLethalla✭✭✭✭✭
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Its not like it suddenly makes the set trash..
Its still a strong set. A loss of 850 magica isn't gonna suddenly mean you can no longer defeat a boss that you could last week. Yeah, it may not be bis anymore, but how much difference does it really make? How much longer will it take you to defeat that boss.? 3 seconds?, 5?
(will probably really be quicker due to 2-4 piece buffs and pet buffs and more CP... but hey.)
Seriously, this forum makes it sound like the end of the world.
As I said, it's not just the Necro nerf that has me peeved. It's the nerf to 4/5 of the sets I've farmed. And besides which, people are already saying that Juli/Mother's Sorrow is going to be the new BiS - so if I want to participate in trials with the mag sorc currently running Necro, I have to change, don't I? More farming time, more gold mats.
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ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just a little mana , no big deal.
Real nerfing to pet sorc its about the passive , ZOS didn't do it .1
