Warden as a Healer

leeshi · July 2017

@SirCritical I heard someone main healing vet pledges with a stam build. I'm not sure if it will be viable for vet trials or not. I intend to try it in dungeons soon as I get vigor. It could have been just getting good teams though too that made it viable. I mean I've run vets with a 4 dps team no problem as long as you have good cp/geared/skilled players.

You would need vigor for your main spam heal. Spores is the only stam morph heal and it is HARD to aim. Especially when you get twitchy scared dps roll dodge spamming. They will die, lol.

I find if you treat the build like a tank though and use a mix of mag/stam you would be able to heal really well without respeccing. The ultimate builds so fast and that ult heal makes people invincible. So 90% of the time the leeching vines (mag) + vigor spam (stam) + spores (stam) + heal ult should do it. You can add in some of the other mag heals if you wanted. If you do the mix make sure to have a stam weapon and a mag one so you can regen either resource.

Anyway, once I get vigor I'm going to try it and I'll try to remember to stop back by here and let ya know.

SilverWF · July 2017

Told you: warden - sucks.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Warden is average class but lot of big animations,

Healing is weak except ultimate, dps is not good comparing others and not good tank due to recover low stamina while blocking! May be good as off-tank.

Wardens are strong may be in pvp but average in pve!

Can't agree more

PlagueSD · July 2017

Why is no one using Lotus Flower? It provides a "lifesteal" heal to light and heavy attacks, and depending on the morph, either physical crit or spell crit. I use the "physical crit" version on my stam warden. weaving light attacks in between all my skills is enough to keep me topped off when soloing.

SilverWF · July 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Why is no one using Lotus Flower? It provides a "lifesteal" heal to light and heavy attacks, and depending on the morph, either physical crit or spell crit. I use the "physical crit" version on my stam warden. weaving light attacks in between all my skills is enough to keep me topped off when soloing.

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Because vet dungeon/trials stuff hits MUCH harder than in solo or normal play. No any lifesteal would help you there - even for tanks, didn't say about squishy DDs

Tryxus · July 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Why is no one using Lotus Flower? It provides a "lifesteal" heal to light and heavy attacks, and depending on the morph, either physical crit or spell crit. I use the "physical crit" version on my stam warden. weaving light attacks in between all my skills is enough to keep me topped off when soloing.

Leeching Vines is much better, both solo or in trials/dungeons, as it heals you when hit and applies Minor Lifesteal to everything that hits you as well. I use it in vMSA on my MagDen with Dampen Magicka, easy to heal up if needed. And in trials I (try to

) apply it on the tank since it helps him/her mitigate incoming damage as well as the Lifesteal again.

I do have Lotus Blossom too when I heal, but it's more for the Healing Increased passive and for the Spell Crit buff

Megabear · July 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Why is no one using Lotus Flower? It provides a "lifesteal" heal to light and heavy attacks, and depending on the morph, either physical crit or spell crit. I use the "physical crit" version on my stam warden. weaving light attacks in between all my skills is enough to keep me topped off when soloing.

I use Lotus Flower. It's one of the most important skills I have available.

Dakmor_Kavu · July 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Why is no one using Lotus Flower? It provides a "lifesteal" heal to light and heavy attacks, and depending on the morph, either physical crit or spell crit. I use the "physical crit" version on my stam warden. weaving light attacks in between all my skills is enough to keep me topped off when soloing.

It just doesnt provide enough healing or utility compared to other abilities. The opportunity costs is too high.

You could slot a:

Buff (vines, essence drain, a shield, etc)
Utility Skill (purge, orbs, etc)
DPS (swarm, dive, etc).

It just doesnt give enough for its spot. Especially when leeching vines becomes a mass life steal (spreads VERY fast in groups), and works when anyone attacks, not just you (and not just with light/heavy attacks).

Just my 2 cents on it though. If you have a TRULY free slot, yeah maybe slot it. 9/10 times though I'll opt for something more beneficial.

SirCritical · July 2017

leeshi wrote: »

Anyway, once I get vigor I'm going to try it and I'll try to remember to stop back by here and let ya know.

Thanks mate, I'm trying to build a char, which is able to fill any roles in groups, preferred tank, but want to be able to off-DD and off-heal. Tank and DD is okay now, but I haven't tried healing yet (have some fears tbh).

leeshi · August 2017

SirCritical wrote: »

leeshi wrote: »

Anyway, once I get vigor I'm going to try it and I'll try to remember to stop back by here and let ya know.

Thanks mate, I'm trying to build a char, which is able to fill any roles in groups, preferred tank, but want to be able to off-DD and off-heal. Tank and DD is okay now, but I haven't tried healing yet (have some fears tbh).

@SirCritical So I made a build and tested it and I'm able to heal vet pledges just fine with my stam healer. This lets me not respec for any role. I can leave 64 stam in my stats, just change my gear and instantly become a tank or a healer. Don't need to spend gold for cp reassignment or anything and I can easily tank or heal all the way up through vet pledges.

That being said while tanking is easy, healing as a stam warden is decently hard compared to magicka. You have dps that likes to panic and dodge roll run away from you. Our stam heal is a conal aoe, hard enough to land when someone isn't actively dodging you. I keep the magicka skill to fly to a player and start healing just for this. I find lotus to be my main heal. With just light/heavy attacking while dpsing that should keep the tank and most dps topped off. If there is a damage phase to the boss I pop my heal ultimate and go back to dpsing. I try to keep vigor running as well, but find mostly I don't even need that for most content.

I can share my gear and build if you'd like but it was just something I threw together to test things. Gear is all crafted with a focus on regen. Heal skills in the build are mushroom stam morph, vigor, and lotus. I have the vine skill (can't remember the name) that spiderman's you to the player for emergencies with running dps.

Finally, ranged dpsers can be a bit of an issue since they like to try to stay really far away from the fight so they don't get the heals from lotus or vigor unless you port out to where they are standing.

idk · August 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I have a healer version that has massive up time on healing thicket.

Anyone else try that as the primary heal and set up bars for utilities?

Like orbs, spring, fungus etc

Warhorn is way too important. Any other ulti is a waste. Unless you are pugging normal dungeons, then you can do anything.

Yes, except for vDSA if the healer has Master Architect equipped and using Healing Thicket or especially Enchanted forest they are able to keep a good uptime of Major Slayer. That is 15% increase to dps for 10 seconds. My guess is that alone trumps WH and the more frequent up time it most certainly will trump WH with that set.

Of course other classes can use WH and wear the same set. Of course, 3 dps and a tank is probably better.

SirCritical · August 2017

leeshi wrote: »

SirCritical wrote: »

leeshi wrote: »

Anyway, once I get vigor I'm going to try it and I'll try to remember to stop back by here and let ya know.

Thanks mate, I'm trying to build a char, which is able to fill any roles in groups, preferred tank, but want to be able to off-DD and off-heal. Tank and DD is okay now, but I haven't tried healing yet (have some fears tbh).

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I can share my gear and build if you'd like but it was just something I threw together to test things. Gear is all crafted with a focus on regen. Heal skills in the build are mushroom stam morph, vigor, and lotus. I have the vine skill (can't remember the name) that spiderman's you to the player for emergencies with running dps.

Thanks @leeshi, I'm still curious, how viable is this

red_emu · August 2017

I agree. Warden is quite difficult to play. Maybe because we got used to playing easy mode Templar? I used to be a Templar healer and I miss him sometimes as he has healed through all vet dungeons and all trials.

The main advantage of the warden is that you CAN still DPS and heal. Using necro and blue Betty you have a huge pool and good sustain (this is gonna get nerfed to the ground soon though so I'm gonna enjoy my mag den before it becomes useless). With so much magica, the growing swarm and sub assault deal huge AoE damage. Pair that with blockade of storms and a lightning staff and suddenly warden becomes a great team support. Put on the HOTs, flowers and shrooms (more for a buff than heal), bar swap, swarm, crabs, blockade, HA and you're gonna become every mobs nightmare.

Even in a pure magica, light armor setup I survive on my mag den much much better than on my Templar. He feels very badass. Oh and if you're in trouble...just shoot the green Spiderman web to tank and put down the AOEs again.

My Stam warden is purely for PvP and I didn't like it until I went from DW to 2H. Yes. There is less survivability and I'm sure Stam NB is waaaay better but having green laser Betty and flap flap wings paired with flower power is handy.

On another note. Animations and color scheme for the warden are absolutely beautiful!!!

Docmandu · August 2017

VampiricByNature wrote: »

[On a side note- in Cyrodil to get my aggressive horn and purge I used nature's grasp to pull myself to people with superior mount speed. As a non-pvper this was the most fun I have ever had getting my needed skills. Research speed 4? Np! Lol.]

That's indeed fun.. until you fall through the map for the 1000th time with that skill. Or get greeted with a loading screen mid pull, by the time your screen comes back (if it ever), the target you were using to pull yourself forward will be miles away.

The game doesn't handle sudden quick movement too well.. the skill is as buggy as the stranglers in DSA & MSA (when they still pulled).

Also can't see anyone using that skill to heal in hard PvE content..

red_emu · August 2017

Docmandu wrote: »

VampiricByNature wrote: »

[On a side note- in Cyrodil to get my aggressive horn and purge I used nature's grasp to pull myself to people with superior mount speed. As a non-pvper this was the most fun I have ever had getting my needed skills. Research speed 4? Np! Lol.]

The game doesn't handle sudden quick movement too well.. the skill is as buggy as the stranglers in DSA & MSA (when they still pulled).

Also can't see anyone using that skill to heal in hard PvE content..

That's because ESO servers are made of paper mache and glitter glue

VampiricByNature · August 2017

@Docmandu definitely NOT an end game heal. Lol. Have to agree with you on the load screens and such. It was fine as long as I wasn't close to a bigger battle. But to be honest, after playing Cyrodil pretty intensely during the Midyear Mayhem event, even without that skill I had load screen issues galore. My favorite was the freeze of everyone but me and I got to take screenshots of myself in the midst of enemy zergs.
@red_emu after much more testing and playing in all the trials, I personally found my templar to be more flexible. I will only bring my warden for certain situations and trials now. I think the templar does better off- dps than a warden, but that's just imo. I have seen a lot of dps tests on mag wardens and they haven't outperformed the other classes. [Could be user error, of course]

m12d12_ESO · August 2017

In a group situation, I think Warden was designed to be able to give great support heals, but i agree it doesn't take the place of a healing Templar.

I personally like the fact there is a clear distinction of the two. Warden and Templar have a lot to offer on their own

merit and shouldnt be cookie cutters to each other.

red_emu · August 2017

VampiricByNature wrote: »

@Docmandu definitely NOT an end game heal. Lol. Have to agree with you on the load screens and such. It was fine as long as I wasn't close to a bigger battle. But to be honest, after playing Cyrodil pretty intensely during the Midyear Mayhem event, even without that skill I had load screen issues galore. My favorite was the freeze of everyone but me and I got to take screenshots of myself in the midst of enemy zergs.
@red_emu after much more testing and playing in all the trials, I personally found my templar to be more flexible. I will only bring my warden for certain situations and trials now. I think the templar does better off- dps than a warden, but that's just imo. I have seen a lot of dps tests on mag wardens and they haven't outperformed the other classes. [Could be user error, of course]

I believe mag warden is "by design" a DPS healer hybrid. (Was meant to be a tank too but it seems it was scrapped down the line). Hence if it was able to pull off heals as strong as Templar and DPS as strong as sorc at the same time (in terms of numbers - which only elitists and top score trial groups really care about) it would have ended up being a way too OP class! Warden is not a Templar and it's not a sorc either. If you want both worlds and be of great support to the team that's the class for you. I do agree it's more of a PvP or overland solo class than a number spewing machine but if you learn and adapt you can truly master it.

exeeter702 · August 2017

red_emu wrote: »

VampiricByNature wrote: »

@Docmandu definitely NOT an end game heal. Lol. Have to agree with you on the load screens and such. It was fine as long as I wasn't close to a bigger battle. But to be honest, after playing Cyrodil pretty intensely during the Midyear Mayhem event, even without that skill I had load screen issues galore. My favorite was the freeze of everyone but me and I got to take screenshots of myself in the midst of enemy zergs.
@red_emu after much more testing and playing in all the trials, I personally found my templar to be more flexible. I will only bring my warden for certain situations and trials now. I think the templar does better off- dps than a warden, but that's just imo. I have seen a lot of dps tests on mag wardens and they haven't outperformed the other classes. [Could be user error, of course]

I believe mag warden is "by design" a DPS healer hybrid. (Was meant to be a tank too but it seems it was scrapped down the line). Hence if it was able to pull off heals as strong as Templar and DPS as strong as sorc at the same time (in terms of numbers - which only elitists and top score trial groups really care about) it would have ended up being a way too OP class! Warden is not a Templar and it's not a sorc either. If you want both worlds and be of great support to the team that's the class for you. I do agree it's more of a PvP or overland solo class than a number spewing machine but if you learn and adapt you can truly master it.

Yeah no... a nb is the absolute dps healer. And can do so in vet trials with flying colors.