Why is Mother's Sorrow popular all of sudden?

Megabear · August 2017

Topic

BlazingDynamo · August 2017

BiS

AbysmalGhul · August 2017

Have the trader prices sky rocketed? I haven't seen a demand for it.

zaria · August 2017

Probably some youtube build, I have the set myself as it was recommended half a year ago. Its an overland magic set who works well with an crafted one.
Might work better with the upcoming dlc and patch. who boost set bonuses but nerf sharpened and many proc sets.

Megabear · August 2017

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

BiS

You mean will become BiS after upcoming patch. Got it thanks.

JamieAubrey · August 2017

It is ? Time to sell the 20 odd pieces I have

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

BiS

Has anyone actually tested? Because Julianos is still looking like BiS on paper to me, even after the buffs.

I wouldn't mind if it was since it has jewellery, making it easier to combine with other sets. But I just don't see it.

Vaoh · August 2017

Multiple people have bought up all of the Mother's Sorrow jewelry on PS4 NA and are selling them at like 20K per necklace and 40K per ring now.....

Mcgelie1 · August 2017

The crit bonuses are being buffed next patch.

Megabear · August 2017

Well, I was able to buy a few pieces for about 500g~5k, most from those remote traders. Let's see if these work out.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · August 2017

Mcgelie1 wrote: »

The crit bonuses are being buffed next patch.

688/219.1= 3.14 and 3.14*.55= 1.72. people are getting a huge hard on for 1.72% crit. Come on.

Mother’s Sorrow: Increased the Spell Critical Strike rating granted by this Item Set to 2470 from 1643.

2470/219.1=11.27

1643/219.1= 7.49

11.27-7.49= 3.78% increase, woopy do.

mb10 · August 2017

If its for crit then id still go for julianos
Max magicka and 300 spell damage > extra crit
any day of the week

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · August 2017

@mb10 julianos and MS have the same 2,3,4 bonus, so it is 11.27% crit VS 299 spell damage.

ArchMikem · August 2017

mb10 wrote: »

If its for crit then id still go for julianos
Max magicka and 300 spell damage > extra crit
any day of the week

Julianos and Hunding's Rage has always been the base set for all of my characters. It's pretty much become the default standard gear.

geonsocal · August 2017

my mag dk has been rocking grothdar, mother's sorrow for awhile now...used it to boost my crit up to 60%...

recently did a gear change from burning spell weave to silks of the sun...

after the patch, need to switch mundus stone from thief to shadow...

funny thing is - with a fairly full team of characters - i stay about six months to a year behind the meta...

spend most my time zoning out and zerg surfing...with a decent build - it's not quite like back in the day when you could fight in your skivies - buy, it doesn't require BiS...

BlazingDynamo · August 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

BiS

Has anyone actually tested? Because Julianos is still looking like BiS on paper to me, even after the buffs.

I wouldn't mind if it was since it has jewellery, making it easier to combine with other sets. But I just don't see it.

No idea actually. Alcast probably made a build video with it or something and now people are losing their mind.

Deltia use to have the same effect on people. Makes build video on certain gear, prices blow through the roof.

geonsocal · August 2017

Megabear wrote: »

Well, I was able to buy a few pieces for about 500g~5k, most from those remote traders. Let's see if these work out.

I'm a bit of gear junkie - I've spent way too much time staring at this stuff:

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sets

crazy thing is - even though you might be wearing the approved solution - dependant on how you play, is whether it'll work for you...i have sooooooo many "seemed like a good idea at the time" bound gear in the bank...

just didn't feel right, died too easy, couldn't kill any one - didn't like the way it looked

luv me sum new gear...

Megabear · August 2017

Well the market certainly seems to believe that Mother's Sorrow will be BiS. The prices are insane.

Morgul667 · August 2017

It gets double boosted at bext update so you know the market gets crazy

Im gonna run julianos and hunding though

They are good enough and much less trouble

Septimus_Magna · August 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@mb10 julianos and MS have the same 2,3,4 bonus, so it is 11.27% crit VS 299 spell damage.

Nah, crit stays the same but spell dmg can be buffed. With major sorcery you get 359 spell dmg out of Julianos (374 spell dmg with minor+major sorcery).

MS is incredibly strong if you combine it with Torugs and infused weapons. You get very high spell crit which buffs the power of your enchants to insane values, especially with the shadow mundus.

On other builds MS might be good as well but the difference to Julanios is probably a lot smaller.

Flaminir · August 2017

It's also worth mentioning that with the thief getting nerfed, Shadow became (relatively speaking) stronger & more desirable.

But to go with that you need crit... MS gives you lots of this after being buffed twice.

So it's not just the extra crit from the set being buffed, it's also the mundus changes that play towards it too.

starkerealm · August 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

BiS

Has anyone actually tested? Because Julianos is still looking like BiS on paper to me, even after the buffs.

I wouldn't mind if it was since it has jewellery, making it easier to combine with other sets. But I just don't see it.

Julianos only really excels in specific circumstances. When your build is split across a destro and resto staff, and has multiple elemental types.

For example, if you're a sorc using an inferno staff and stormcalling, then Julianos. If you're a sorc using a lightning staff and stormcalling, Netch, if you're using your sorc abilities for utility and your main damage is destro abilities, Spider Cultist (sometimes).

Julianos is a nice set to use if you're experimenting with a build though. It's dependable and will always be there. But, there are better options if you're tuning your build.

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

BiS

Has anyone actually tested? Because Julianos is still looking like BiS on paper to me, even after the buffs.

I wouldn't mind if it was since it has jewellery, making it easier to combine with other sets. But I just don't see it.

Julianos only really excels in specific circumstances. When your build is split across a destro and resto staff, and has multiple elemental types.

For example, if you're a sorc using an inferno staff and stormcalling, then Julianos. If you're a sorc using a lightning staff and stormcalling, Netch, if you're using your sorc abilities for utility and your main damage is destro abilities, Spider Cultist (sometimes).

Julianos is a nice set to use if you're experimenting with a build though. It's dependable and will always be there. But, there are better options if you're tuning your build.

Julianos is BiS on both DPS classes I play (templar and warden). But yeah, sorc and DK use different gear (not sure about NB).

starkerealm · August 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

BiS

Has anyone actually tested? Because Julianos is still looking like BiS on paper to me, even after the buffs.

I wouldn't mind if it was since it has jewellery, making it easier to combine with other sets. But I just don't see it.

Julianos only really excels in specific circumstances. When your build is split across a destro and resto staff, and has multiple elemental types.

For example, if you're a sorc using an inferno staff and stormcalling, then Julianos. If you're a sorc using a lightning staff and stormcalling, Netch, if you're using your sorc abilities for utility and your main damage is destro abilities, Spider Cultist (sometimes).

Julianos is a nice set to use if you're experimenting with a build though. It's dependable and will always be there. But, there are better options if you're tuning your build.

Julianos is BiS on both DPS classes I play (templar and warden). But yeah, sorc and DK use different gear (not sure about NB).

NB can get good millage out of War Maiden or Spider Cultist. It depends on the build. Wardens also get a lot of utility out of War Maiden, if you're going for an Animal Companion focus to your DPS. That said, Warden is one of the cases where the global buff from Julianos can be pretty appealing. Beyond that, Spinner's and Mother's Sorrow are both very strong contenders for most magicka builds. Spinners for DPS, and Mother's for healers or crit focused DPS. Like Julianos, they're agnostic about damage types or sources, so they can be very useful.

I'm not 100% sure about Templars, weirdly, it's a class I've never managed to stick with. I'd think Silks of the Sun, like DKs, along with something like like BSW. Or alternately Combat Physician + Sorrow for pure hilarity as a healer. But, like I said, I have a hard time staying motivated when I'm playing a Templar, so I've never really gotten into them, and there may be some things I've missed. (For what it's worth I main a NB healer, go figure.)

But, yeah, if you're on a warden, and your mixing between a flame staff, some animal and ice powers, Julianos is probably the way to go. I keep wanting to see someone actually come up with a viable Ysgramor build for them, but I doubt it's really possible.

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

BiS

Has anyone actually tested? Because Julianos is still looking like BiS on paper to me, even after the buffs.

I wouldn't mind if it was since it has jewellery, making it easier to combine with other sets. But I just don't see it.

Julianos only really excels in specific circumstances. When your build is split across a destro and resto staff, and has multiple elemental types.

For example, if you're a sorc using an inferno staff and stormcalling, then Julianos. If you're a sorc using a lightning staff and stormcalling, Netch, if you're using your sorc abilities for utility and your main damage is destro abilities, Spider Cultist (sometimes).

Julianos is a nice set to use if you're experimenting with a build though. It's dependable and will always be there. But, there are better options if you're tuning your build.

Julianos is BiS on both DPS classes I play (templar and warden). But yeah, sorc and DK use different gear (not sure about NB).

NB can get good millage out of War Maiden or Spider Cultist. It depends on the build. Wardens also get a lot of utility out of War Maiden, if you're going for an Animal Companion focus to your DPS. That said, Warden is one of the cases where the global buff from Julianos can be pretty appealing. Beyond that, Spinner's and Mother's Sorrow are both very strong contenders for most magicka builds. Spinners for DPS, and Mother's for healers or crit focused DPS. Like Julianos, they're agnostic about damage types or sources, so they can be very useful.

I'm not 100% sure about Templars, weirdly, it's a class I've never managed to stick with. I'd think Silks of the Sun, like DKs, along with something like like BSW. Or alternately Combat Physician + Sorrow for pure hilarity as a healer. But, like I said, I have a hard time staying motivated when I'm playing a Templar, so I've never really gotten into them, and there may be some things I've missed. (For what it's worth I main a NB healer, go figure.)

But, yeah, if you're on a warden, and your mixing between a flame staff, some animal and ice powers, Julianos is probably the way to go. I keep wanting to see someone actually come up with a viable Ysgramor build for them, but I doubt it's really possible.

BSW used to be BiS on templar (I have the full set sitting in my bank). Julianos gets you more DPS after the nerfs to that set though. Templars don't deal enough fire damage to make Silks work.

I have a full War Maiden set for my warden. It's almost identical DPS output to Julianos (Julianos is better by a hair). Julianos let's you go with 5/1/1 though which ultimately gives it the edge.