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ZOS, IT IS TIME. PATH OF DARKNESS PHYSICAL DAMAGE MORPH PLEASE!!! PVE DPS
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »[...] I think we are all in the same agreement that stamina should have clearly superior single target dps, as well as magicka with clearly superior aoe. I am glad that we are in another patch where stam toons are plausible, and enjoy seeing groups having a few of them in raids again. [...]
You have to define "clearly superior"...atm it's like: stam-melee >>>>Mag-ranged >mag-ranged > warden
with a difference of ~20k ST-DPS from top to bottom. I guess this fits clearly superior, but the difference is too big imo...
Should be more like: stam-melee > mag-melee >~ stam-ranged> mag-ranged with a total difference of ~10k DPS at max for ST, reverting mag and stam-dps-numbers for AoE.
Pls correct me if i'm wrong with my numbers/orders, but i guess realitiy is not that far away at all.
Well, I especially like the part where magicka ranged builds outperform magicka ranged builds.
lol, my fault
the second one should be magicka-melee
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✭✭✭✭✭No. Stam Nb already have the highest amount of stamina morphs from all classes. Changing one of path morphs into stamina would hurt magicka nb which is finally close to be decent.
I find argument that stamina nb was never number 1 in PvE DPS really pointless. I know stam DK is king of PvE single target from a long time but stam nb is king of burst. If You want stamina DoT's on stam nb then his burst would have to go away because I dont see any reasons why class should be king of burst and also one of the best single target PvE DPS's. Each class have it's unique skils and different areas where it shines or atleast it should look that way.2 -
derpmander✭✭✭Lol, magblade about to get shafted next patch with the changes to twisting path.What Mechanics
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »[...] I think we are all in the same agreement that stamina should have clearly superior single target dps, as well as magicka with clearly superior aoe. I am glad that we are in another patch where stam toons are plausible, and enjoy seeing groups having a few of them in raids again. [...]
You have to define "clearly superior"...atm it's like: stam-melee >>>>Mag-ranged >mag-ranged > warden with a difference of ~20k ST-DPS from top to bottom. I guess this fits clearly superior, but the difference is too big imo...
Should be more like: stam-melee > mag-melee >~ stam-ranged> mag-ranged with a total difference of ~10k DPS at max for ST, reverting mag and stam-dps-numbers for AoE.
Pls correct me if i'm wrong with my numbers/orders, but i guess realitiy is not that far away at all.
Well, I especially like the part where magicka ranged builds outperform magicka ranged builds.
Just strengthens the point they need to be nerfed. I mean, they're so OP they're outperforming themselves Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
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✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I want magicka morph of bow skills and use my magical spectral bow
you'll get that in the update featuring BOUND WEAPONS.... which will come right after JEWELRY CRAFTING.... which will come just night of the apocalyptic end of the world.
Or... right BEFORE the end of the world...
Edited by ookami007 on August 4, 2017 2:45PM0 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭No. Some skills just don't get stam morphed.
I want a steel tornado magicka morph! Magicka rally morph!Edited by PS4_ZeColmeia on August 4, 2017 3:00PMPSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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✭✭✭✭✭Soon after that change we would see whining from DKs for stamina morph of whip.1 -
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Even in the video I linked jace is doing like an 11-12 second rotation nos! I paused it and looked at the time and everything dude!hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Stamblades are just fine in DPS...honestly the only way to address DK dps dominance os to add another stam DoT that all stam can use. DK bars are pretty full as is so the other classes would benefit from this change a lot more.
I am not saying they are far behind, but they are behind and they always have been. All stam toons have always been behind stam dks as far as parses go. This is just a request to give stamblades a boost, I do fear adding an ability that everyone can use dks would still make it work and keep their throne.
Thats the thing man DK bars are full right now. They currently have a single apace flex and it either holds vigor or molten. Other classes never hit DK numbers because more DoTs in todays meta always win. Adding another DoT (possibly not tied to a weapon such as undaunted) would help bring up the other classes, especially of the DoT added is not a psn one. Let me explain why this change would be amazing:
1. If a DK chooses to add it to their flex slot they will lose DoT uptime, since the current rotation already exceeds 10 sec.
2. If a DK slots this new DoT instead of anothet one of their DoTs they will only gain marginal damage if at all, since they would also give up one of their DoTs.
3. Other classes have flex spots and thus benefit much more from an additional available DoT.
Also another way to raise NB DPS is to fix impale. The additive scaling of damage dealt really affects its performance.
As an aside - the class parsing lowest in trials has always been stamplar. You dont think I want them to be on top as well? Adding a non-class non-weapon DoT would help them as well. They definitely need some love...at least PvE wise...
Ahhhh nos, everything you say is always pretty accurate and I can't help but agree with most of it. In all honesty they would just throw whatever dot it was into the flex spot. Molten or vigor for the flex would just be dropped and every stam dk would run it for the bigger parse, you know you would, as would I. I also do not think expanding their rotation by another skill would hurt the dot uptime at all. Would be as simple as weaving in 1 or 2 light attacks instead of heavys to make sure all the dots had 100% uptime. I do think it is a good idea, especially for other classes, I just do not think it would knock dks off their throne. Fixing impale would be awesome, I know big L's thread has had a lot of comments with the usual ignore from ZOS. Stamplar can gtfo! NB LOVE IS THE ONLY LOVE I WANNA SEE!!!
FYI on live stam dks DO lose dot uptime...there are 9 dots that they use and they typically use 3 heavies...thats way more than 10 seconds..
On my stam dk the rotation is like 10-11 seconds with 3 heavys on dw bar. I know what you are saying, I just think that even losing another second or two but gaining a whole other dot to drop down and allow to tick for however long in the rotation will heavily out dps the option of not using it.
Your rotation is longer than that
Both paths don't deal much damage to begin with, which was why I suggested combining refreshing and twisting into one ability, giving it a decent buff for all mag blades plus opening room for a stam morph.They won't do this for the same reason they won't give Stamdk a stam whip,Both morph are useful in its respective version.For example The healing morph is best for Pvp while the extra damage is best for PVE.If they remove one and make it stam it hurts a version of path for magblade when they are weak in both aspects.
Should be 50-50 buddy... That is called fairness not greed. There are 9/15 skills on NB class trees that are magicka morphs only, and 0/15 stamina morphs only... Where is the fairness to stam players?Olupajmibanan wrote: »No class has so many stam morphs available as NB. And you want even more? Greed.
I would say "clearly superior" would be around 7-9k single target and 14-18k aoe. Those numbers being pulled from the BIS group environment obviously, anything else just gives skewed results.[...] I think we are all in the same agreement that stamina should have clearly superior single target dps, as well as magicka with clearly superior aoe. I am glad that we are in another patch where stam toons are plausible, and enjoy seeing groups having a few of them in raids again. [...]
You have to define "clearly superior"...atm it's like: stam-melee >>>>Mag-ranged >mag-melee > warden with a difference of ~20k ST-DPS from top to bottom. I guess this fits clearly superior, but the difference is too big imo...
Should be more like: stam-melee > mag-melee >~ stam-ranged> mag-ranged with a total difference of ~10k DPS at max for ST, reverting mag and stam-dps-numbers for AoE.
Pls correct me if i'm wrong with my numbers/orders, but i guess realitiy is not that far away at all.
My dps is fine. I don't think you read the thread correctly. Stam dks are still ontop of the single target throne, they have been for the entire games existence... Stamblades are so close right now, another dot would put them over the top IMO. I have over 1000 hours on my stamblade, and 100 on my stam dk. Regardless of how flawlessly anyone (not just me) plays on a stamblade, they will still get outparsed by a flawless stam dk rotation. Those are facts bud, you cannot run from the truth. I am not saying stamblades are trash and do horrible dps, I am saying they are the closest they have ever been to the single target throne stam dks have always sat in and I want to see stamblades take over the throne. Go ahead, disagree with the facts all you want and say I have no clue about this game...Terrible idea. No. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and the only people in agreement with you are just as ignorant.
Even worse is this garbage you mention about the Stam/Mag morph disparity as a way to justify it.
If your DPS sucks as a Stamblade, it is 110% on you. The class has all of the tools necessary to not only put out incredible DPS, but also provide good group support at the same time.
So stam dks having both must have meta tank role along with best stam single target dps is on the same level as highest burst? Alright, I see where you come from. Cannot say I agree, but in all honesty having a class that is clearly dedicated to being the direct tank class for the game and outperforming all other classes in tanking by such a massive margin... I think it is a bit rugged they also have best single target dps title as well, hopefully it will change one day. Just my opinion though, I am sure the people who rolled stam dks in beta don't mindNo. Stam Nb already have the highest amount of stamina morphs from all classes. Changing one of path morphs into stamina would hurt magicka nb which is finally close to be decent.
I find argument that stamina nb was never number 1 in PvE DPS really pointless. I know stam DK is king of PvE single target from a long time but stam nb is king of burst. If You want stamina DoT's on stam nb then his burst would have to go away because I dont see any reasons why class should be king of burst and also one of the best single target PvE DPS's. Each class have it's unique skils and different areas where it shines or atleast it should look that way.
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A few months ago all raids were being done with 8 magicka dps toons, who were all out dpsing stam dks by 10k single target, ranged with shields... As far as I am concerned I would like to see a few patches with 8 stam dps toonsstarkerealm wrote: »[...] I think we are all in the same agreement that stamina should have clearly superior single target dps, as well as magicka with clearly superior aoe. I am glad that we are in another patch where stam toons are plausible, and enjoy seeing groups having a few of them in raids again. [...]
You have to define "clearly superior"...atm it's like: stam-melee >>>>Mag-ranged >mag-ranged > warden with a difference of ~20k ST-DPS from top to bottom. I guess this fits clearly superior, but the difference is too big imo...
Should be more like: stam-melee > mag-melee >~ stam-ranged> mag-ranged with a total difference of ~10k DPS at max for ST, reverting mag and stam-dps-numbers for AoE.
Pls correct me if i'm wrong with my numbers/orders, but i guess realitiy is not that far away at all.
Well, I especially like the part where magicka ranged builds outperform magicka ranged builds.
Just strengthens the point they need to be nerfed. I mean, they're so OP they're outperforming themselves
Eye of the storm of blades for dual wield!!!PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »No. Some skills just don't get stam morphed.
I want a steel tornado magicka morph! Magicka rally morph!Edited by Shadzilla on August 5, 2017 2:02AM0 -
derpmander✭✭✭Youll never see a raid with 8 stam perform well lelWhat Mechanics
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Even in the video I linked jace is doing like an 11-12 second rotation nos! I paused it and looked at the time and everything dude!hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Stamblades are just fine in DPS...honestly the only way to address DK dps dominance os to add another stam DoT that all stam can use. DK bars are pretty full as is so the other classes would benefit from this change a lot more.
I am not saying they are far behind, but they are behind and they always have been. All stam toons have always been behind stam dks as far as parses go. This is just a request to give stamblades a boost, I do fear adding an ability that everyone can use dks would still make it work and keep their throne.
Thats the thing man DK bars are full right now. They currently have a single apace flex and it either holds vigor or molten. Other classes never hit DK numbers because more DoTs in todays meta always win. Adding another DoT (possibly not tied to a weapon such as undaunted) would help bring up the other classes, especially of the DoT added is not a psn one. Let me explain why this change would be amazing:
1. If a DK chooses to add it to their flex slot they will lose DoT uptime, since the current rotation already exceeds 10 sec.
2. If a DK slots this new DoT instead of anothet one of their DoTs they will only gain marginal damage if at all, since they would also give up one of their DoTs.
3. Other classes have flex spots and thus benefit much more from an additional available DoT.
Also another way to raise NB DPS is to fix impale. The additive scaling of damage dealt really affects its performance.
As an aside - the class parsing lowest in trials has always been stamplar. You dont think I want them to be on top as well? Adding a non-class non-weapon DoT would help them as well. They definitely need some love...at least PvE wise...
Ahhhh nos, everything you say is always pretty accurate and I can't help but agree with most of it. In all honesty they would just throw whatever dot it was into the flex spot. Molten or vigor for the flex would just be dropped and every stam dk would run it for the bigger parse, you know you would, as would I. I also do not think expanding their rotation by another skill would hurt the dot uptime at all. Would be as simple as weaving in 1 or 2 light attacks instead of heavys to make sure all the dots had 100% uptime. I do think it is a good idea, especially for other classes, I just do not think it would knock dks off their throne. Fixing impale would be awesome, I know big L's thread has had a lot of comments with the usual ignore from ZOS. Stamplar can gtfo! NB LOVE IS THE ONLY LOVE I WANNA SEE!!!
FYI on live stam dks DO lose dot uptime...there are 9 dots that they use and they typically use 3 heavies...thats way more than 10 seconds..
On my stam dk the rotation is like 10-11 seconds with 3 heavys on dw bar. I know what you are saying, I just think that even losing another second or two but gaining a whole other dot to drop down and allow to tick for however long in the rotation will heavily out dps the option of not using it.
Your rotation is longer than that
Both paths don't deal much damage to begin with, which was why I suggested combining refreshing and twisting into one ability, giving it a decent buff for all mag blades plus opening room for a stam morph.They won't do this for the same reason they won't give Stamdk a stam whip,Both morph are useful in its respective version.For example The healing morph is best for Pvp while the extra damage is best for PVE.If they remove one and make it stam it hurts a version of path for magblade when they are weak in both aspects.
Should be 50-50 buddy... That is called fairness not greed. There are 9/15 skills on NB class trees that are magicka morphs only, and 0/15 stamina morphs only... Where is the fairness to stam players?Olupajmibanan wrote: »No class has so many stam morphs available as NB. And you want even more? Greed.
I would say "clearly superior" would be around 7-9k single target and 14-18k aoe. Those numbers being pulled from the BIS group environment obviously, anything else just gives skewed results.[...] I think we are all in the same agreement that stamina should have clearly superior single target dps, as well as magicka with clearly superior aoe. I am glad that we are in another patch where stam toons are plausible, and enjoy seeing groups having a few of them in raids again. [...]
You have to define "clearly superior"...atm it's like: stam-melee >>>>Mag-ranged >mag-melee > warden with a difference of ~20k ST-DPS from top to bottom. I guess this fits clearly superior, but the difference is too big imo...
Should be more like: stam-melee > mag-melee >~ stam-ranged> mag-ranged with a total difference of ~10k DPS at max for ST, reverting mag and stam-dps-numbers for AoE.
Pls correct me if i'm wrong with my numbers/orders, but i guess realitiy is not that far away at all.
My dps is fine. I don't think you read the thread correctly. Stam dks are still ontop of the single target throne, they have been for the entire games existence... Stamblades are so close right now, another dot would put them over the top IMO. I have over 1000 hours on my stamblade, and 100 on my stam dk. Regardless of how flawlessly anyone (not just me) plays on a stamblade, they will still get outparsed by a flawless stam dk rotation. Those are facts bud, you cannot run from the truth. I am not saying stamblades are trash and do horrible dps, I am saying they are the closest they have ever been to the single target throne stam dks have always sat in and I want to see stamblades take over the throne. Go ahead, disagree with the facts all you want and say I have no clue about this game...Terrible idea. No. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and the only people in agreement with you are just as ignorant.
Even worse is this garbage you mention about the Stam/Mag morph disparity as a way to justify it.
If your DPS sucks as a Stamblade, it is 110% on you. The class has all of the tools necessary to not only put out incredible DPS, but also provide good group support at the same time.
So stam dks having both must have meta tank role along with best stam single target dps is on the same level as highest burst? Alright, I see where you come from. Cannot say I agree, but in all honesty having a class that is clearly dedicated to being the direct tank class for the game and outperforming all other classes in tanking by such a massive margin... I think it is a bit rugged they also have best single target dps title as well, hopefully it will change one day. Just my opinion though, I am sure the people who rolled stam dks in beta don't mindNo. Stam Nb already have the highest amount of stamina morphs from all classes. Changing one of path morphs into stamina would hurt magicka nb which is finally close to be decent.
I find argument that stamina nb was never number 1 in PvE DPS really pointless. I know stam DK is king of PvE single target from a long time but stam nb is king of burst. If You want stamina DoT's on stam nb then his burst would have to go away because I dont see any reasons why class should be king of burst and also one of the best single target PvE DPS's. Each class have it's unique skils and different areas where it shines or atleast it should look that way.
Ok so you DO agree that its more than 10 sec...thank you):)1 -
EnglishTea123✭✭✭What the hell? Why do you think that every skill needs a stamina morph? Breaks the concept of using magic severely. Seriously. What the hell? Keep magicka skills as magicka and keep stamina skills as stamina. No need to mix.
Can we have dizzying swing morphed into magicka then? You know, for that immense damage with knockback that's spammable. Poison injection magicka morph. Crit rush magicka morph too plz. In fact, why not switch light armor and medium armor while we're at it? Light armor gives stamina skill bonus, and medium armor gives magicka skill bonus. After all, medium armor for magicka builds right? Because it definitely gives spell penetration, right?1 -
Midori_Oku✭✭✭No, morphs should not always be one stam one magicka. Stamina has more weapon skills to choose from that only have stamina based morphs. That in itself is a reason not to do it. Although, I do believe there are a few class skills (none for NB) that I believe should have a stamina morph.Midori Oku - Female High Elf - Magicka Sorcerer
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LOL, yea I am going to have to agree it is slightly more than 10 seconds, you got mehedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
Even in the video I linked jace is doing like an 11-12 second rotation nos! I paused it and looked at the time and everything dude!hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Stamblades are just fine in DPS...honestly the only way to address DK dps dominance os to add another stam DoT that all stam can use. DK bars are pretty full as is so the other classes would benefit from this change a lot more.
I am not saying they are far behind, but they are behind and they always have been. All stam toons have always been behind stam dks as far as parses go. This is just a request to give stamblades a boost, I do fear adding an ability that everyone can use dks would still make it work and keep their throne.
Thats the thing man DK bars are full right now. They currently have a single apace flex and it either holds vigor or molten. Other classes never hit DK numbers because more DoTs in todays meta always win. Adding another DoT (possibly not tied to a weapon such as undaunted) would help bring up the other classes, especially of the DoT added is not a psn one. Let me explain why this change would be amazing:
1. If a DK chooses to add it to their flex slot they will lose DoT uptime, since the current rotation already exceeds 10 sec.
2. If a DK slots this new DoT instead of anothet one of their DoTs they will only gain marginal damage if at all, since they would also give up one of their DoTs.
3. Other classes have flex spots and thus benefit much more from an additional available DoT.
Also another way to raise NB DPS is to fix impale. The additive scaling of damage dealt really affects its performance.
As an aside - the class parsing lowest in trials has always been stamplar. You dont think I want them to be on top as well? Adding a non-class non-weapon DoT would help them as well. They definitely need some love...at least PvE wise...
Ahhhh nos, everything you say is always pretty accurate and I can't help but agree with most of it. In all honesty they would just throw whatever dot it was into the flex spot. Molten or vigor for the flex would just be dropped and every stam dk would run it for the bigger parse, you know you would, as would I. I also do not think expanding their rotation by another skill would hurt the dot uptime at all. Would be as simple as weaving in 1 or 2 light attacks instead of heavys to make sure all the dots had 100% uptime. I do think it is a good idea, especially for other classes, I just do not think it would knock dks off their throne. Fixing impale would be awesome, I know big L's thread has had a lot of comments with the usual ignore from ZOS. Stamplar can gtfo! NB LOVE IS THE ONLY LOVE I WANNA SEE!!!
FYI on live stam dks DO lose dot uptime...there are 9 dots that they use and they typically use 3 heavies...thats way more than 10 seconds..
On my stam dk the rotation is like 10-11 seconds with 3 heavys on dw bar. I know what you are saying, I just think that even losing another second or two but gaining a whole other dot to drop down and allow to tick for however long in the rotation will heavily out dps the option of not using it.
Your rotation is longer than that
Both paths don't deal much damage to begin with, which was why I suggested combining refreshing and twisting into one ability, giving it a decent buff for all mag blades plus opening room for a stam morph.They won't do this for the same reason they won't give Stamdk a stam whip,Both morph are useful in its respective version.For example The healing morph is best for Pvp while the extra damage is best for PVE.If they remove one and make it stam it hurts a version of path for magblade when they are weak in both aspects.
Should be 50-50 buddy... That is called fairness not greed. There are 9/15 skills on NB class trees that are magicka morphs only, and 0/15 stamina morphs only... Where is the fairness to stam players?Olupajmibanan wrote: »No class has so many stam morphs available as NB. And you want even more? Greed.
I would say "clearly superior" would be around 7-9k single target and 14-18k aoe. Those numbers being pulled from the BIS group environment obviously, anything else just gives skewed results.[...] I think we are all in the same agreement that stamina should have clearly superior single target dps, as well as magicka with clearly superior aoe. I am glad that we are in another patch where stam toons are plausible, and enjoy seeing groups having a few of them in raids again. [...]
You have to define "clearly superior"...atm it's like: stam-melee >>>>Mag-ranged >mag-melee > warden with a difference of ~20k ST-DPS from top to bottom. I guess this fits clearly superior, but the difference is too big imo...
Should be more like: stam-melee > mag-melee >~ stam-ranged> mag-ranged with a total difference of ~10k DPS at max for ST, reverting mag and stam-dps-numbers for AoE.
Pls correct me if i'm wrong with my numbers/orders, but i guess realitiy is not that far away at all.
My dps is fine. I don't think you read the thread correctly. Stam dks are still ontop of the single target throne, they have been for the entire games existence... Stamblades are so close right now, another dot would put them over the top IMO. I have over 1000 hours on my stamblade, and 100 on my stam dk. Regardless of how flawlessly anyone (not just me) plays on a stamblade, they will still get outparsed by a flawless stam dk rotation. Those are facts bud, you cannot run from the truth. I am not saying stamblades are trash and do horrible dps, I am saying they are the closest they have ever been to the single target throne stam dks have always sat in and I want to see stamblades take over the throne. Go ahead, disagree with the facts all you want and say I have no clue about this game...Terrible idea. No. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and the only people in agreement with you are just as ignorant.
Even worse is this garbage you mention about the Stam/Mag morph disparity as a way to justify it.
If your DPS sucks as a Stamblade, it is 110% on you. The class has all of the tools necessary to not only put out incredible DPS, but also provide good group support at the same time.
So stam dks having both must have meta tank role along with best stam single target dps is on the same level as highest burst? Alright, I see where you come from. Cannot say I agree, but in all honesty having a class that is clearly dedicated to being the direct tank class for the game and outperforming all other classes in tanking by such a massive margin... I think it is a bit rugged they also have best single target dps title as well, hopefully it will change one day. Just my opinion though, I am sure the people who rolled stam dks in beta don't mindNo. Stam Nb already have the highest amount of stamina morphs from all classes. Changing one of path morphs into stamina would hurt magicka nb which is finally close to be decent.
I find argument that stamina nb was never number 1 in PvE DPS really pointless. I know stam DK is king of PvE single target from a long time but stam nb is king of burst. If You want stamina DoT's on stam nb then his burst would have to go away because I dont see any reasons why class should be king of burst and also one of the best single target PvE DPS's. Each class have it's unique skils and different areas where it shines or atleast it should look that way.
Ok so you DO agree that its more than 10 sec...thank you):)
No, not at all. I am just pointing out how many more options magicka toons have when it comes to class skills and their respectable morphs. I am not sure where your anger is coming from, or if you read the previous posts correctly, calm down dude. I was simply asking for another physical/poison dot for NBs. If you are a magblade and very upset about the idea you shouldn't be, if you read the post I also asked to combine twisting and refreshing into the same ability therefore slightly buffing it. Considering 9/15 skills are magicka only options, 6/15 have 1 of each option, and 0/15 have stamina only options, I find those facts a bit favored towards magicka players. What is even worse is 6/15 stamina morph options was actually pointed out as being the highest out of the 5 classes... Which would lead to assume some classes only having less than a handful (less than a third of the 15 class skills) of stamina options to choose from... Call me crazy, but that does not seem friendly to the stamina players. In all honesty though this game has heavily favored magicka toons for the whole games existence excluding 3 patches. So I can see why you are angry, I guess.EnglishTea123 wrote: »What the hell? Why do you think that every skill needs a stamina morph? Breaks the concept of using magic severely. Seriously. What the hell? Keep magicka skills as magicka and keep stamina skills as stamina. No need to mix.
Can we have dizzying swing morphed into magicka then? You know, for that immense damage with knockback that's spammable. Poison injection magicka morph. Crit rush magicka morph too plz. In fact, why not switch light armor and medium armor while we're at it? Light armor gives stamina skill bonus, and medium armor gives magicka skill bonus. After all, medium armor for magicka builds right? Because it definitely gives spell penetration, right?
I agree they should not always be 1 stam 1 mag. I also think there should be a few stamina only morphs, there are none out of the 15 class skills. The argument that stamina toons play duel wield/bow and magicka toons play destro/destro is somewhat valid, it does allow for an extra 5 skills to choose from while building a rotation. Does that mean class skill lines should still have 0/15 stamina only options due to the fact they use different weapons on both bars? Everyone has their own opinion, and I have no problem reflecting mine with othersMidori_Oku wrote: »No, morphs should not always be one stam one magicka. Stamina has more weapon skills to choose from that only have stamina based morphs. That in itself is a reason not to do it. Although, I do believe there are a few class skills (none for NB) that I believe should have a stamina morph.
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✭✭✭✭Isn't refreshing path needed in vMA, as well as used by NB healers and sap tanks? May buff one specific build of the NB, but it'd essentially cripple way more."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power0 -
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✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »Isn't refreshing path needed in vMA, as well as used by NB healers and sap tanks? May buff one specific build of the NB, but it'd essentially cripple way more.
I think you may have misread the post. The suggestion is to combine the stats of both current paths into one skill, buffing it... While at the same time opening up room for a stam morph.0 -
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✭@Dymence @ChildOfLight Just to confirm on how much more damage you guys are saying stamblades are pulling over stam dks, could you link any screenshots or videos of these parses?0 -
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✭@Dymence @ChildOfLight Just to confirm on how much more damage you guys are saying stamblades are pulling over stam dks, could you link any screenshots or videos of these parses?
I have no concrete proof of anything, it's just whispers I've heard going around from stam players.
Honestly the only reason I responded negatively to it is because of the above and even if there's a difference it must be very marginal. Besides that, it would screw over magblades one way or another. The suggestion to have twisting and refreshing path merged into one ability and give stam the other morph could work out fine, but there's no way ZOS is going to do it.
You can try to campaign for it as much as you wish, but that's how I see it. Can't remember a single time ZOS actually listened to an ability remake suggestion.0 -
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✭@Dymence @ChildOfLight Just to confirm on how much more damage you guys are saying stamblades are pulling over stam dks, could you link any screenshots or videos of these parses?
I have no concrete proof of anything, it's just whispers I've heard going around from stam players.
Honestly the only reason I responded negatively to it is because of the above and even if there's a difference it must be very marginal. Besides that, it would screw over magblades one way or another. The suggestion to have twisting and refreshing path merged into one ability and give stam the other morph could work out fine, but there's no way ZOS is going to do it.
You can try to campaign for it as much as you wish, but that's how I see it. Can't remember a single time ZOS actually listened to an ability remake suggestion.
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✭@Shadzilla , hi again, been a while. Hope you're doing well friend.
I 100% agree. Such a change would give more options to stamblades.
Everything below this line is a semi-related rant from a bitter veteran player. You have been warned (also Hi Mods )
It's been time for ZOS to do/change a lot of things for a long time but player input is basically disregarded 99.9% of the time. If something we want doesn't fit in with their out of touch vision, it gets dodged and dodged until the uproar/asking dies down then it's business as usual.
Example:
"Fixing Cyrodiil is our top priority"
> still the laggy horrible mess it's been for years when anything intense happens with a lot of people around.
(solid connection, connected via ethernet, and a gtx1080 + multi core 3.5ghz in the rig so please spare me the inquiries in that department, to anyone whose knee jerk reaction would have been to ask about that)
>ZOS encouraged small-scale play , which of course isn't the nature of Cyrodiil.
>releases Battlegrounds as an alternative which from what I understand is broken as well (group finder troubles). I may be wrong about that as of now but the point is that it was for a good while.
I've spoken about this before, and I understand that you don't always get to release a product in the state that you'd like to when developing apps/games, but there are issues that have been around + changes that should have been made for years. I no longer believe it's a lack of time for certain things, it's a lack of giving a s***.
(Hi again Mods, I deliberately made this pretty tame. Could have been far worse. Would rather you didn't delete)Edited by LadyLavina on August 6, 2017 8:59PMPC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer1 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭LadyLavina wrote: »@Shadzilla , hi again, been a while. Hope you're doing well friend.
I 100% agree. Such a change would give more options to stamblades.
Everything below this line is a semi-related rant from a bitter veteran player. You have been warned (also Hi Mods )
It's been time for ZOS to do/change a lot of things for a long time but player input is basically disregarded 99.9% of the time. If something we want doesn't fit in with their out of touch vision, it gets dodged and dodged until the uproar/asking dies down then it's business as usual.
Example:
"Fixing Cyrodiil is our top priority"
> still the laggy horrible mess it's been for years when anything intense happens with a lot of people around.
(solid connection, connected via ethernet, and a gtx1080 + multi core 3.5ghz in the rig so please spare me the inquiries in that department, to anyone whose knee jerk reaction would have been to ask about that)
>ZOS encouraged small-scale play , which of course isn't the nature of Cyrodiil.
>releases Battlegrounds as an alternative which from what I understand is broken as well (group finder troubles). I may be wrong about that as of now but the point is that it was for a good while.
I've spoken about this before, and I understand that you don't always get to release a product in the state that you'd like to when developing apps/games, but there are issues that have been around + changes that should have been made for years. I no longer believe it's a lack of time for certain things, it's a lack of giving a s***.
(Hi again Mods, I deliberately made this pretty tame. Could have been far worse. Would rather you didn't delete)
Thanks for the post lavina, all your points are spot on as per usual Edited by Shadzilla on August 6, 2017 11:13PM0
