EP vs. DC - 4K Damage Difference - One Character Is Doing More Damage - Identical Builds

ookami007 · August 2017

I actually found the issue. I was looking through the code for ESO and stumbled upon this line:

if (player.Faction == 01)
{
player.DPS = player.DPS + 4000
}

01 is the code for EP, so this explains everything.

Kilandros · August 2017

orinthol wrote: »

The rub is that it isn't my characters. I'm posting this for a friend that has potentially discovered some strangeness.

Sounds totally legit then

Reorx_Holybeard · August 2017

I made a build to test this out but we really need the complete build for each character to get more accurate numbers to compare. Obivous things I would double check:

Are they wearing the exact equipment? Make sure both rings equip properly, both DW weapons equip and correct weapon bar selected.
Do the characters have the same stats? If you want exact damage then their stats should be identical.
Are their skill bar identical? Different skills will affect a variety of stats, in particular I'm thinking of the Templar passive that adds +10% crit damage when you have an Aedric Spear ability slotted.
Are their passives identical? At least stat specific passives should be identical. If the character stats aren't the same then passives probably aren't.
Identical CPs? Again, at least in the relevant DPS output constellations and the total number selected.

If indeed you've checked and double-checked all of these and are still getting different damage numbers then we need the following for both characters:

Build details (use the SuperStar add-on).
Character sheet screenshots.
Tooltip values.
Test details (are you including the empower from Dark Flare or not, Major Sorcery?, etc...)

Biro123 · August 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

could this be battle leveling in action?

despite character being max level some skills/skill lines are not so could the 1 character still be receiving some battle leveling to 'compeensate'?

idk just throwing an idea into the mix!

That was my thought. Would be interesting to see if anything changes when the EP character spends that last point in trin blade and blunt.

Otherwise there must be something else making a difference.. something not considered..

Biro123 · August 2017

Was magica/spell damage identical? (ie could it be stat points spent?)

idk · August 2017

If we are talking dps the. If firms down to the player skill, how well they deliver their rotation. If we are talking about the damage of a specific skill it may be a crit. 4K more damage from a a single instant skill while in Cyrodiil is pretty significant.

getemshauna · August 2017

Dude, post a proof or stop making idiotic threads.

KingMagaw · August 2017

Must be a troll - Why are so many fools making claims and factual statements without giving any evidence.

caperon · August 2017

Its all about Dark Flare:

Dark Flare empowers your next atack, providing a 20% damage buf:

1.- Flare 24k
2.- Flare 24*1.2 =28.8k

If you light atack cancel before the next flare you waste your empower on the light atack. I sugest standarized testing methods and screenshots.

You are welcome.

Wreuntzylla · August 2017

With that large a discrepancy, I would look to CP first. Even if

ookami007 wrote: »
I actually found the issue. I was looking through the code for ESO and stumbled upon this line:
if (player.Faction == 01)
{
player.DPS = player.DPS + 4000
}
01 is the code for EP, so this explains everything.

Yes, but this code had to be disabled for the summer due to the large and profound disadvantage placed on AD players. The faction bonus is changed on a monthly basis and is actually a variable based on the difference in the average IQ of players in a faction (IQ being calculated solely from the content of Cyrodiil chat), from the average IQ of all players combined (times 100). It should be back to a couple of hundred point difference by the end of this month.

orinthol · August 2017

gethemshauna wrote: »

Dude, post a proof or stop making idiotic threads.

Calm down, tough guy. Lurkers like you are reason he didn't want to come here. I honestly can't blame him. I'm going to log in now and ask for the screens.

Biro123 wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

could this be battle leveling in action?

despite character being max level some skills/skill lines are not so could the 1 character still be receiving some battle leveling to 'compeensate'?

idk just throwing an idea into the mix!

That was my thought. Would be interesting to see if anything changes when the EP character spends that last point in trin blade and blunt.

Otherwise there must be something else making a difference.. something not considered..

After having gone over everything mentioned with my friend, I do believe that this is it. It is most likely the two things the EP character is lacking that are giving it the boost. If so, then battle leveling is indeed a bit more powerful than I previously thought it to be.

Either way, I should be back with screenshots and/or a definitive answer shortly. Thank you to everyone that actually tried to contribute and/or wasn't a little turd.

orinthol · August 2017

FINAL UPDATE

It was indeed caused by battle leveling. With the second passive point in Twin Blade & Blunt and Dawn's Wrath at 50, the consecutive (without intermittent light attacks) Dark Flares leveled out at 24K (approximate) across the board.

My conclusion is that battle leveling is much more powerful than I ever anticipated. End of story. So the point of the thread is that, under some circumstances, an "unfinished" character will have a significant damage advantage. Regardless of faction.

Thanks again for any constructive input that was provided.

Biro123 · August 2017

orinthol wrote: »

FINAL UPDATE

It was indeed caused by battle leveling. With the second passive point in Twin Blade & Blunt and Dawn's Wrath at 50, the consecutive (without intermittent light attacks) Dark Flares leveled out at 24K (approximate) across the board.

My conclusion is that battle leveling is much more powerful than I ever anticipated. End of story. So the point of the thread is that, under some circumstances, an "unfinished" character will have a significant damage advantage. Regardless of faction.

Thanks again for any constructive input that was provided.

Were both characters level50/CP160?

Otherwise, I could see people intentionally NOT spending skill points and being stronger for it... ?

Or I wonder if it based on whether the skill lines are levelled..?

hmsdragonfly · August 2017

orinthol wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

All is a lie.

Or maybe, you is a troll?

The person I'm posting for, coincidentally, didn't want to come to the forums. I can't imagine why he wouldn't. Can you, hmsdragonfly?

Regardless, he is going to upload screens to our Discord channel later today. I guess the lovable trolls will have to go sleep under their respective bridges until that time.

I don't know what the screens are. I haven't seen them yet. Hopefully they will contain the desired information. Thank you for your constructive/creative input concerning this topic though.

/salute

Yeah me is a troll. Me is bestest troll.

You know what the truth is? If you pick AD, you will have 4K damage advantage compared to other alliances. Not EP, no, no, it's AD. Queen Aryenn recently sought the blessing from Auriel, and the Dragon God of Time granted all Dominion combatants 4K more damage! Join the glorious Dominion today, folks. All hail Queen Aryenn!

Serious question: @orinthol, how on Earth did you get offended by a little sarcastic comment "all is a lie"? Are people that sensitive this day? If you are that sensitive I would suggest you not taking part in any kind of conversation, you will probably get offended when someone says "I like peanutbutter", for God-knows-what reason.

Reorx_Holybeard · August 2017

orinthol wrote: »

FINAL UPDATE

It was indeed caused by battle leveling. With the second passive point in Twin Blade & Blunt and Dawn's Wrath at 50, the consecutive (without intermittent light attacks) Dark Flares leveled out at 24K (approximate) across the board.

My conclusion is that battle leveling is much more powerful than I ever anticipated. End of story. So the point of the thread is that, under some circumstances, an "unfinished" character will have a significant damage advantage. Regardless of faction.

Thanks again for any constructive input that was provided.

I don't quite understand. Battle levelling only applies to your effective character level and pushes you to level 50/CP160 if you are below that point. It has *no* affect at all on skill line levels or unpurchased passives. Assuming that both characters are level 50 and have +160 CP assigned to them battle levelling wouldn't even come into play.

Wreuntzylla · August 2017

Battle leveling isn't OP, it's compensating for other weaknesses so that you can join in most activities without getting screamed at by some pug team you join.

The most dramatic difference occurs when you wear gear of the same level as you. It doesn't really seem matter so much what gear, either. I have tried max stat gear like necropotence and proc gear (take your pick), and I still end up with roughly 40k (give or take a few k) to primary stat pool and what seems to be a normalized amount of spell or weapon power. It then seems to drop steadily until you drop to about 30k, then more slowly until 27k. The biggest gear-to-level difference I paid attention to was about 25 levels.

I should note that I allocate all character stats into my primary pool, and that is probably the driver for what at-level gear provides.

orinthol · August 2017

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

orinthol wrote: »

FINAL UPDATE

It was indeed caused by battle leveling. With the second passive point in Twin Blade & Blunt and Dawn's Wrath at 50, the consecutive (without intermittent light attacks) Dark Flares leveled out at 24K (approximate) across the board.

My conclusion is that battle leveling is much more powerful than I ever anticipated. End of story. So the point of the thread is that, under some circumstances, an "unfinished" character will have a significant damage advantage. Regardless of faction.

Thanks again for any constructive input that was provided.

I don't quite understand. Battle levelling only applies to your effective character level and pushes you to level 50/CP160 if you are below that point. It has *no* affect at all on skill line levels or unpurchased passives. Assuming that both characters are level 50 and have +160 CP assigned to them battle levelling wouldn't even come into play.

That's interesting. I have no idea then. Apparently, my time here has been a waste. I'll let my friend know that he's probably wrong and overlooked something, but I honestly have no idea what. He'll just have to keep testing to find out for himself. Thank you though.

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Serious question: @orinthol, how on Earth did you get offended by a little sarcastic comment "all is a lie"? Are people that sensitive this day? If you are that sensitive I would suggest you not taking part in any kind of conversation, you will probably get offended when someone says "I like peanutbutter", for God-knows-what reason.

First of all, not sure you understand what offended is. Apparently you can hear the words I'm typing. Also, this entire statement is incredibly ironic. You're complaining about complaining. Maybe you should take some of your own medicine. Bro?

But yeah. Have a flat one, little pardner. No sweat off of my -- nose. Take care, and God bless.

ZOS_GregoryV · August 2017

This thread has been closed as per OP's request.