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EP vs. DC - 4K Damage Difference - One Character Is Doing More Damage - Identical Builds
orinthol
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While testing, it was examined that a Templar from the DC Alliance did a consistent 4K (approximate) less damage than an identically built character with less passives (due to not having the trees fully leveled) from the EP Alliance. This was tested in and out of Cyrodiil on players, NPC's, and target dummies. CP expenditures were verified to be identical. Gear was identical. The EP character was lacking some passives. The only difference noted between the two characters.
Has anyone else encountered this or something similar?
Edited by orinthol on August 2, 2017 8:19AM Has anyone else encountered this or something similar?
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭If this is done in Cyrodiil, are you taking into account scroll bonuses along with those passives??PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.12 -
orinthol✭✭NeillMcAttack wrote: »If this is done in Cyrodiil, are you taking into account scroll bonuses along with those passives??
Yes. No faction had a damage buff when the testing was done. That was the first thing I thought of too. Then, I learned that the results persisted outside of Cyrodiil.
I need to also add that the exact same skills were slotted on both characters as well. Forgot that bit.Edited by orinthol on August 2, 2017 8:36AM1 -
orinthol✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »What races are you using?
Both characters are level 50 Imperials.1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »What races are you using?
Both characters are level 50 Imperials.
Post your Combat Metrics screenshots here so we can look at it. Post your Super Star character sheet as well. I'm sure it's something silly you're overlooking (like no mundus stone on one toon, a missing glyph on your weapon, etc.).5 -
LMar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are the missing passives irrelevant to the DPS? Eg some destruction staff passives give more penetration and as such more DPS"If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
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FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »What races are you using?
Both characters are level 50 Imperials.
Post your Combat Metrics screenshots here so we can look at it. Post your Super Star character sheet as well. I'm sure it's something silly you're overlooking (like no mundus stone on one toon, a missing glyph on your weapon, etc.).
I was thinking enchant proc or Mundus stone0 -
orinthol✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Post your Combat Metrics screenshots here so we can look at it. Post your Super Star character sheet as well. I'm sure it's something silly you're overlooking (like no mundus stone on one toon, a missing glyph on your weapon, etc.).Are the missing passives irrelevant to the DPS? Eg some destruction staff passives give more penetration and as such more DPSFloppyTouch wrote: »I was thinking enchant proc or Mundus stone
The rub is that it isn't my characters. I'm posting this for a friend that has potentially discovered some strangeness.
Mundus is the same. The gear was actually all transferred through the bank. It's identical gear because it is literally the same gear. All available skills (active and passive) are identical. Same food as well. I also asked to make sure Continuous Attack wasn't active on one and not the other. Player verified that buffs were identical.
Here's a twist. The EP (doing more damage) does not have the second point in Twin Blade & Blunt yet. Both characters were on Dual Wield bar for the test. The test was simplified down to Dark Flare spam on the same target dummy. The EP hit consistently with 28K max flares. The DC hit consistently with 24K max flares.
[Additional Info]
Gear:
2x Slimecraw, 5x Spinner, 5x War Maiden
Mundus:
Shadow
Buffs:
Orzorga's Red Frothgar
Minor Berserk
Major ProphecyEdited by orinthol on August 2, 2017 9:15AM1 -
orinthol✭✭Hippie4927 wrote: »Are their skill levels exactly the same?
In everything applicable but Twin Blade & Blunt. The character doing more damage is missing the second point in this passive.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Hippie4927 wrote: »Are their skill levels exactly the same?
In everything applicable but Twin Blade & Blunt. The character doing more damage is missing the second point in this passive.
Unless the skills are all maxed out and it sounds like they are not, then skill level would effect dps. For instance, if both players are level 4 in a skill but not maxed level 4, then they are probably not both at the same level in that skill. That would effect dps.PC/NA/EP ✌️0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Are the tooltips the same?Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What platform and campaign, is it reproducible everywhere? 4K is massive and I've never seen any evidence that I'm doing on average that much less damage than an EP player. We definitely need some hard evidence.0 -
orinthol✭✭Hippie4927 wrote: »Unless the skills are all maxed out and it sounds like they are not, then skill level would effect dps. For instance, if both players are level 4 in a skill but not maxed level 4, then they are probably not both at the same level in that skill. That would effect dps.Are the tooltips the same?
The DC has 50 in Dawn's Wrath. The EP (higher damage) has 49 in this tree, almost 50. The tooltip amounts were identical.What platform and campaign, is it reproducible everywhere? 4K is massive and I've never seen any evidence that I'm doing on average that much less damage than an EP player.
NA PC server. It was tested on a combat dummy in a Homestead instance.We definitely need some hard evidence.Invincible wrote: »Screenshots/logs or it didn't happen.
I will ask him for any screens he can provide. My characters are all DC, or I'd be attempting to test this myself with Combat Metrics. I really believe what my friend is saying. He has no reason to lie. This is definitely an understandable request though.0 -
orinthol✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »All is a lie.
Or maybe, you is a troll?
The person I'm posting for, coincidentally, didn't want to come to the forums. I can't imagine why he wouldn't. Can you, hmsdragonfly?
Regardless, he is going to upload screens to our Discord channel later today. I guess the lovable trolls will have to go sleep under their respective bridges until that time.
I don't know what the screens are. I haven't seen them yet. Hopefully they will contain the desired information. Thank you for your constructive/creative input concerning this topic though.
/saluteEdited by orinthol on August 2, 2017 11:45AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »All is a lie.
Or maybe, you is a troll?
The person I'm posting for, coincidentally, didn't want to come to the forums. I can't imagine why he wouldn't. Can you, hmsdragonfly?
Regardless, he is going to upload screens to our Discord channel later today. I guess the lovable trolls will have to go sleep under their respective bridges until that time.
I don't know what the screens are. I haven't seen them yet. Hopefully they will contain the desired information. Thank you for your constructive/creative input concerning this topic though.
/salute
Well it would certainly be interesting if this is true, although I have to imagine it's some overlooked variable as there are so many. Looking forward to the conclusion.2 -
Merkabeh✭✭✭TC seems like a Master baiter!
This is either a silly misunderstanding, or some epic troll work.Crusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
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itehache✭✭✭✭Post screenshots of all this and I am sure we will see the reason why this is happening. Without any data it's hard to help.2 -
bebynnag✭✭✭✭✭
✭could this be battle leveling in action?
despite character being max level some skills/skill lines are not so could the 1 character still be receiving some battle leveling to 'compeensate'?
idk just throwing an idea into the mix!2 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭Stat, gear, tooltip, cp, and metrics screenshots (better yet, parse videos) or nothing can be said.0
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's literally impossible for us to say! I know that there was a recent issue discovered with mitigation calculations arising from how CP were placed between the new ironclad and hardy stars. But I believe those that discovered this also checked for discrepancies with the new master at arms star and found nothing.
I guess it could simply be RNG procs or something, IDK.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.2 -
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Very interesting thread indeed. Would love to see some "Superstar/combat-metrics" screenshots later today.
But if all is legit then it´s time to reroll EP Edited by Qbiken on August 2, 2017 1:24PM1 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Could be RNG and crit proccing more times for 1 character?
No idea though, thats weird0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Could also be a bug in the Passives.
Like twin not providing a buff when the second point is spent in it?
Quite literally an infinite amount of speculating1 -
SilentRaven1972✭✭✭✭I had a health discrepancy recently between an AD and DC character. They are set exactly the same, had similar CP, skills, attributes, etc. I ended up stripping both of everything. All CP, skills and attributes set to zero, stripped gear, but there was still almost 1k difference. Then realized a ring got missed
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zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Think this explains my poor dps.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.2
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