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Stop chasing the meta, ZOS will always like nerfing your babies
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I stopped chasing the Meta when I have accepted that I'm not getting anywhere near vet content. I do look up builds and suggestions still, but I have been playing with modified setups consisting of mix of "things that were cheap/easy for me to get" and "abilities that work best with my playstyle preferences" sometimes its a bit of a rough road. I can't always solo group things that elitists tell me I'm supposed to be able to solo, despite them being marked group. but... I can solo SOME group things. and they have even been getting easier. I have been playing around with some ideas for my nightblade and so far, a few things from Meta, ARE awesome, and few other things I prefer to do my own way and all and all - I'm having much more fun time playing her. so... /shrug
things always change, such is MMO life. BiS is important when you do highest end stuff. for the rest of us? /shrug.dirty worthless casual.
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MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Being ocd about having everything bis doesn't help.Won't stop even though I don't copy people's builds.Sure alot that do follow the meta see the same exact reasons the streamers do.0 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The Meta can bite me, I'll play what I want to play no matter what. Make the game work for you."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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Alchemical✭✭✭✭✭Play whatever way is fun for you and don't try to shame others for building a way that is fun for them.
Doing the meta is fun for some people.
Doing a gimmick is fun for some people.
Not worrying about optimization is fun for some people.
You will enjoy the game more if you do what is fun to you and also do not let nerfs raise your blood pressure. It'd be pretty embarrassing to die of a heart attack at 28 because you got mad at a video game.3 -
Kas✭✭✭✭✭why? imho just using whatever you find too strong is a much better idea than crying about it all the time.
purple crafted or non-optimal trait sets can be gotten with half an evening invested and are still better than some out-of-meta solutions. a char is leveled to 50 within a few hours, skyshards and lorebooks take a while, granted.
personally, i can invest the time to get everything in perfect versions- but that's really not mandatory, tbh.@bbu - AD/EU
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josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭The problem is this: I never chased the meta....the meta simply caught up with a similar build to what I was playing and as a result, the build I was playing since One Tamriel patch got nerfed...and is getting nerfed AGAIN this coming patch to the point that I now have to build something different for my tank(and one of my DPS too). The point is, it doesnt matter if you build to the meta or not...ZoS comes along with the nerf hammer and knocks down the meta....since you dont play the meta, your build is now the highest thing left standing...so next round ZoS comes along with another nerf hammer and this time it hits you too. ZoS has one goal...everyone plays equally junk builds, and there is no build diversity allowed.1 -
Megabear✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just collect all divine/infused armors, just in case
Weapons too depending on what they are good for. Guide to making $$$ in Tamriel: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/370618/guide-to-making-gold-in-eso/p1?new=1
Cost analysis for potential ESO players: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/367919/cost-analysis-for-brand-new-potential-pc-eso-players#latest
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Warden "The Warladin" Healer/Tank Hybrid Build: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/warden-the-warladin-healertank-hybrid-build/
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IronCrystal wrote: »Nothing wrong with chasing the meta if you want to play the best you can.
The meta changes like every 3-6 months which is way more than enough time to grind a set up.
But it took 3 years to nerf sharp?0 -
Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭That's why I never, ever follow the meta builds. I play as I like. I pick sets that I consider interesting to me, skills and rotations that seem to work just fine. I don't care for being 1226 in line to the emperor throne, I don't care if I die in all 1v1. I am quick on my feet and usually good at predicting what the enemy is going to do. I like to play Ina way that entertains me and not the leaderboards. I like to support my group with very well timed heals and melt enemies from behind the lines. And if the situation calls for a suicide distraction to save my group, I do it.
No BiS gwar will ever provide more fun than playing the way you want your character to play. If I wanted to play a number crunching robot I'd play a different game.
Sure. I will enjoy the game doing what is fun for me. Do you know what is not fun?Alchemical wrote: »Play whatever way is fun for you and don't try to shame others for building a way that is fun for them.
Doing the meta is fun for some people.
Doing a gimmick is fun for some people.
Not worrying about optimization is fun for some people.
You will enjoy the game more if you do what is fun to you and also do not let nerfs raise your blood pressure. It'd be pretty embarrassing to die of a heart attack at 28 because you got mad at a video game.
Being stuck in nWGT for an hour.
Being stuck in nICP for an hour.
Being stuck in nRoM/nCoS for an hour.
Being stuck in nDCII/nBCII/nCoAII etc for an hour.
Do notice - normal. I'm not talking vet, the majority of decent/good players straight gave up on PUGging vet after Morrowind.
Everyone just soooooo hate the meta and want to be "the special snowflake, not like everyone", that they fail to see the most important thing.
Meta is a guideline. Only those who are very serious about vet trials follow the meta to the letter. But in essence? People post builds so we, fellow players, knew what works and what doesn't.
Unless you try to join vetTrial, almost noone cares that you wear Julianos instead of Necropotence on magsorc, Julianos instead of BSW/Sun on magDK, Hunding + Nightmother instead of VO + TFS on stamina.
Trust me. Very few people actually give a s**t.
But I do give a s**t, when CP players in nDCII just keep dying on Engine Guardian over and over and over again and in the end I have no choice but to solo it. Not a big deal, considering the fact that I was doing 85%+ of group damage for the whole dungeon.
I do give a s**t, because I can pull it off on my magsorc. Not very easily, I myself am wearing Julianos, I'm not doing 40k DPS on skeleton, I have only 30k, which are considered decent, not good. It's stressful, but... Okay. I can do it.
But sometimes I... you know... want to have fun. On my magDK, whom I like very much, because I AM A FIREBREATHING DRAGON, but ooops. MagDK doesn't have Surge, magDK actually doesn't have any good self-heals, magDK is horrible when it comes to sustain and finally - I'm relatively new to magDK.
Sorry. Can't carry you on my magDK. Good luck, I'm out - and unless you pull magsorc when you requeue, you won't make it. Can't say I feel sorry for you at this point.
You enjoy gimmick? Be my guest. But stay away from group content.
Because breaking news - MMO is you + other people. And other people didn't sign up for gimmicks.
And maybe, just maybe, instead of blindly despising the meta and those who create it, you might look into it. And see it for what it is - a guideline that holds some general idea, grasping which will allow you to pull your own weight.
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bonzodog01 wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »Bonzodog01 wrote: »Hopefully, in U15 though, for the first time in a long while, the "meta" will be more a matter of opinion than provable fact.
In PvE, there will always be a proven BiS. It is simply, the combination that has the highest output by the best players.
But what happens when the difference between best and worst is like 1500 damage?
Up until now, that difference has been in 8-10K mark.
Now, the difference is negligible.
In U15, they have flattened the field so hard that even the noobiest of noobs in off-trait dropped randomised gear is only going to do 1500 DPS less than the highest ranking member on leaderboards.
This, effectively, is killing the entire race for BiS. This is ZOS's grand plan. Kill META. Kill Best in Slot. Make it a negligible goal.
Wow! You've certainly been misinformed. So now all of the sudden some light attack spamming noob is going to dish out over 40k DPS? Or is it the best of the best going to be reduced to 5k DPS?BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
CromulentForumID✭✭✭✭IronCrystal wrote: »Bonzodog01 wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »Bonzodog01 wrote: »Hopefully, in U15 though, for the first time in a long while, the "meta" will be more a matter of opinion than provable fact.
In PvE, there will always be a proven BiS. It is simply, the combination that has the highest output by the best players.
But what happens when the difference between best and worst is like 1500 damage?
Up until now, that difference has been in 8-10K mark.
Now, the difference is negligible.
In U15, they have flattened the field so hard that even the noobiest of noobs in off-trait dropped randomised gear is only going to do 1500 DPS less than the highest ranking member on leaderboards.
Trust me, regardless of the difference people will still flock to whatever is acclaimed to be better.
As for the end-game raiders, every bit of damage counts. Time is of the essence in a raid.
There is also a not-insignificant number of players who will take what a streamer/builder says as "the best" regardless of the numbers involved. It's no coincidence that prices for certain items change when a new build is released by a popular ESO "personality."
You also get the people who insist your build is not "good" unless you can beat vMA. As seen in a Guild chat:
Player 1: People say my character/class is terrible is it true?
Me: Can you complete the content you want to complete?
Player 1: Yes. I can do the things I want to do in the game.
Me: Then you're fine.
Player 2: LOL. Take that to vMA and see how good you are. Roll "X" instead.
So, yeah, sadly it's not just the numbers that drive the chase.0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If this game is noobified and dumbed down so that all players are roughly equal, I will simply leave the game, likely for FFXIV. Morrowind was the first hint that ZOS I actively trying to ruin their game, and if it continues, I'll simply leave and won't look back.
So you enjoy having an advantage over everyone else?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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