Wardens suck..( pve and pvp )

paulsimonps · August 2017

heartburnkid wrote: »

The mushroom move sucks for healing.

It has a really good buff that is hard to get, use it in the right way and it can be very beneficial. As well the stamina morph is used by a lot of stamina wardens, the fact that they have a stamina cost and stamina based burst heal does give them something unique.

PlagueSD · August 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Yet to fight a good warden in duels or cyrodil. Yes i know they ar me mainly a "support class" but that doesn't mean you shouldnt be able to make a decent pvp dps build. Even pve for that matter they underperform a ton.
Templars are healers but you can get spanked hard by a magplar in pvp.

So what are some suggestions to make warden stam and magicka stronger because we all know they need it.

My only suggestion would be make subterranean assault and deep fissure a ability that casts on target and when blows up does same splash damage as normally.

Like haunting curse can you imagine if haunting curse was like deep fissure?!? It would be the worst skill ever.

So why is it acceptable on a underperforming class?

Plus it will even make pve better since you dont HAVE to be facing where you want it to drop. The damage is nice on it i admit i get 30k ticks on it at times on my stam warden ( pve )

But pvp def needs work. I dont think the change they made that hides the timing of the attack is going to make a difference.

#WardenLivesMatter

Obviously, you've never met this warden in PvP, or you'd be screaming nerf wardens...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZBIeyFA9Hw

Waffennacht · August 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Yet to fight a good warden in duels or cyrodil. Yes i know they ar me mainly a "support class" but that doesn't mean you shouldnt be able to make a decent pvp dps build. Even pve for that matter they underperform a ton.
Templars are healers but you can get spanked hard by a magplar in pvp.

So what are some suggestions to make warden stam and magicka stronger because we all know they need it.

My only suggestion would be make subterranean assault and deep fissure a ability that casts on target and when blows up does same splash damage as normally.

Like haunting curse can you imagine if haunting curse was like deep fissure?!? It would be the worst skill ever.

So why is it acceptable on a underperforming class?

Plus it will even make pve better since you dont HAVE to be facing where you want it to drop. The damage is nice on it i admit i get 30k ticks on it at times on my stam warden ( pve )

But pvp def needs work. I dont think the change they made that hides the timing of the attack is going to make a difference.

#WardenLivesMatter

Obviously, you've never met this warden in PvP, or you'd be screaming nerf wardens...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZBIeyFA9Hw

Mmmmmmmmmmrrrrrrrrrrrrr

The two other threads with a lot of comments about that build mirror my own feeling about it.

JackDaniell · August 2017

Godmode warden PvP build with gameplay:

https://youtu.be/N2wzm0Ko-6c

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I may just have to take my StamWarden into trials this week so that the people who think its bad in PvE can understand how wrong they are...

Stamina warden is fine.

Try taking a magicka warden into trials. Then swap them out with any other DPS class and note how much your score improves.

Magicka wardens deal ~35k damage with a single target ult, and around 30k with an AOE ult.

Why would anyone bring a 35k single target magicka DPS into trials when they can bring a 45k single target stamina DPS?

And why would anyone bring a 30k AOE magicka DPS ibto trials when they can bring any other magicka class, which will deal 37-40k AOE damage?

PlagueSD · August 2017

heartburnkid wrote: »

The mushroom move sucks for healing.

If you're using that for healing, then that's your problem. It's not used to heal. It's used for Mag/Stam regen.

Enchanted Growth – Seed a large area of mushrooms that heals you and six allies in your frontal cone with a 20-meter radius and 60-degree angle. Allies affected gain Minor Intellect and Minor Endurance, increasing Magicka and Stamina regeneration by 10% for 20 seconds

paulsimonps wrote: »

heartburnkid wrote: »

The mushroom move sucks for healing.

It has a really good buff that is hard to get, use it in the right way and it can be very beneficial. As well the stamina morph is used by a lot of stamina wardens, the fact that they have a stamina cost and stamina based burst heal does give them something unique.

Actually, I use the mag version for stam regen on my Stam Warden. IMHO, the stam version is not worth it. I get enough passive healing from "Bond with Nature" passive and the DW line (Bloodthirst, Blood Craze).

MarzAttakz · August 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

heartburnkid wrote: »

The mushroom move sucks for healing.

If you're using that for healing, then that's your problem. It's not used to heal. It's used for Mag/Stam regen.

Enchanted Growth – Seed a large area of mushrooms that heals you and six allies in your frontal cone with a 20-meter radius and 60-degree angle. Allies affected gain Minor Intellect and Minor Endurance, increasing Magicka and Stamina regeneration by 10% for 20 seconds

WORD! I can't resist infesting those big manly brutes I see with some cutesy little pink mushrooms, oh the irony is strong, the regen is nicer though.

Insandros · August 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I may just have to take my StamWarden into trials this week so that the people who think its bad in PvE can understand how wrong they are...

Stamina warden is fine.

Try taking a magicka warden into trials. Then swap them out with any other DPS class and note how much your score improves.

Magicka wardens deal ~35k damage with a single target ult, and around 30k with an AOE ult.

Why would anyone bring a 35k single target magicka DPS into trials when they can bring a 45k single target stamina DPS?

And why would anyone bring a 30k AOE magicka DPS ibto trials when they can bring any other magicka class, which will deal 37-40k AOE damage?

Is your 37-45k other class you'Re referring too with trial buffs or simply self buffed no ultimates, no potions, no elemental drains nor any other players buffs, nothing? Cuz if so, if going that way, the warden doing 35k you'Re reffering with trials buffs, sorry, but that warden you'Re talking about sucks a bit to be honest, if he does that with trial buffs. No ED, nothing at all, just raw single target and my own skills, no utls, no spell power pots, no one elses buffs i do 31-32k single target, add all the trials buffs, ED, spell power potions and all the other crap and i'm sure i'll do more than 35k for sure, that is coming from a a bit more average than casual player, so a good player should even do way better than i do. That'll raise a bit if i can get my hand on decent traits vMA staves....well when Horn f the reach comes it might change since i've got some nice traits, but not the OP sharpened trait ones which is the only one we go for now.

red_emu · August 2017

And why oh why does the ice AOE scales off health? So much for an ice magic wielding warden from the trailers

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

Insandros wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I may just have to take my StamWarden into trials this week so that the people who think its bad in PvE can understand how wrong they are...

Stamina warden is fine.

Try taking a magicka warden into trials. Then swap them out with any other DPS class and note how much your score improves.

Magicka wardens deal ~35k damage with a single target ult, and around 30k with an AOE ult.

Why would anyone bring a 35k single target magicka DPS into trials when they can bring a 45k single target stamina DPS?

And why would anyone bring a 30k AOE magicka DPS ibto trials when they can bring any other magicka class, which will deal 37-40k AOE damage?

Is your 37-45k other class you'Re referring too with trial buffs or simply self buffed no ultimates, no potions, no elemental drains nor any other players buffs, nothing? Cuz if so, if going that way, the warden doing 35k you'Re reffering with trials buffs, sorry, but that warden you'Re talking about sucks a bit to be honest, if he does that with trial buffs. No ED, nothing at all, just raw single target and my own skills, no utls, no spell power pots, no one elses buffs i do 31-32k single target, add all the trials buffs, ED, spell power potions and all the other crap and i'm sure i'll do more than 35k for sure, that is coming from a a bit more average than casual player, so a good player should even do way better than i do. That'll raise a bit if i can get my hand on decent traits vMA staves....well when Horn f the reach comes it might change since i've got some nice traits, but not the OP sharpened trait ones which is the only one we go for now.

Those are all unbuffed numbers.

Warden deals around 5-10k less damage, unbuffed, than the other classes.

It doesn't matter if their damage goes up with buffs because so does everyone else's

PlagueSD · August 2017

red_emu wrote: »

And why oh why does the ice AOE scales off health? So much for an ice magic wielding warden from the trailers

Because the Winter's Embrace tree is the "tanking" tree. you see, Wardens are kind of special as they have a skill line dedicated to each "role". Animal Companion - DPS, Green Balance - Healing, and Winter's Embrace - Tank.

Tryxus · August 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

And why oh why does the ice AOE scales off health? So much for an ice magic wielding warden from the trailers

Because the Winter's Embrace tree is the "tanking" tree. you see, Wardens are kind of special as they have a skill line dedicated to each "role". Animal Companion - DPS, Green Balance - Healing, and Winter's Embrace - Tank.

Every class has that. A DK for instance has Ardent Flame for offense, Earthen Heart for defense and Draconic Power for support/heal

hedna123b14_ESO · August 2017

josiahva wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I may just have to take my StamWarden into trials this week so that the people who think its bad in PvE can understand how wrong they are...

Stam Warden is fine in PvE, I have seen 45k parses on it. its MAGICKA Wardens that are terrible, struggling to hit 30k with perfect rotations.

Yup

hedna123b14_ESO · August 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I may just have to take my StamWarden into trials this week so that the people who think its bad in PvE can understand how wrong they are...

Stamina warden is fine.

Try taking a magicka warden into trials. Then swap them out with any other DPS class and note how much your score improves.

Magicka wardens deal ~35k damage with a single target ult, and around 30k with an AOE ult.

Why would anyone bring a 35k single target magicka DPS into trials when they can bring a 45k single target stamina DPS?

And why would anyone bring a 30k AOE magicka DPS ibto trials when they can bring any other magicka class, which will deal 37-40k AOE damage?

I dont disagree, but people were talking about both stam and mag..
And stam is fine...

Tryxus · August 2017

Chufu wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

L2Warden nubs

Where is your DPS-Screen, please?

My DPS is usually between 60 and 300 on my Warden Healer

Anyways, on topic:

Wardens currently are excellent healers (just as good as a Templar imo) and great tanks too (2nd best). When it comes to DPS however, a MagDen falls short indeed (Stam DPS is fine). And in PvP, a MagDen can be tough as nails while putting out insane burst damage.

However, every class in this game is similar in this regard. Every class is excellent at 1 role, good in another but terrible (compared to the other classes) at the last role. The reason Wardens receive such an outcry is because it just so happens that the Warden is terrible at the most popular role: DPS. More than likely because of the Warden's passives and their offense consisting out of delayed skills like the Heracross.

But when you look past this, a Warden is definitely not a terrible class. I turned mine into a healer for instance, and I'm perfectly capable of healing Vet Trials on HM while in PvP I can build for either damage or healing and still do good in both Cyro and BG.

paulsimonps · August 2017

red_emu wrote: »

And why oh why does the ice AOE scales off health? So much for an ice magic wielding warden from the trailers

One of the morphs scale of Max Magicka and Spell power, stop whining.

PlagueSD wrote: »

heartburnkid wrote: »

The mushroom move sucks for healing.

If you're using that for healing, then that's your problem. It's not used to heal. It's used for Mag/Stam regen.

Enchanted Growth – Seed a large area of mushrooms that heals you and six allies in your frontal cone with a 20-meter radius and 60-degree angle. Allies affected gain Minor Intellect and Minor Endurance, increasing Magicka and Stamina regeneration by 10% for 20 seconds

paulsimonps wrote: »

heartburnkid wrote: »

The mushroom move sucks for healing.

It has a really good buff that is hard to get, use it in the right way and it can be very beneficial. As well the stamina morph is used by a lot of stamina wardens, the fact that they have a stamina cost and stamina based burst heal does give them something unique.

Actually, I use the mag version for stam regen on my Stam Warden. IMHO, the stam version is not worth it. I get enough passive healing from "Bond with Nature" passive and the DW line (Bloodthirst, Blood Craze).

That works too.

btw for those that don't know, here are the sources of Minor Intellect and Endurance:

Intellect:

Sorcerer Daedric Summoning Ability: Empowered Ward (Morph of Conjured Ward)
Templar Restorning Light Ability: Restoring Aura+Morphs
Warden Green Balance Ability: Enchanted Growth (Morph of Fungal Growth)

Endurance:

Fighters Guild Ability: Circle of Protection+Morphs
Templar Restorning Light Ability: Restoring Aura+Morphs
Nightblade Assassination Ability: Relentless Focus (Morph of Grim Focus)
Warden Green Balance Ability: Enchanted Growth (Morph of Fungal Growth)

Aka, not exactly the most common of buffs.

Ravingar · August 2017

For some reason I never see anyone talking about warden tanks... I have a warden tank and he's just really powerful. With all the buffs and op healing combined with having a high spell damage... Wardens can be incredibly tanky.. But only if you know what you are doing of course..