Torug's Pact BUG

Juhasow
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Someone finally have to say it out loud.
Patch notes says
Torug’s Pact: This item set now reduces the cooldown of your weapon enchantment by 30% instead of one second, and is multiplicative with the cooldown reduction of the Infused trait.
but on PTS Torug's 5 pieces bonus is additive not multiplicative which causing this set to be extremly strong and overperforming at some point with certain setups in both PvE and PvP.
If that wont be fixed untill HotR DLC live release we'll get many unballanced brainless easy mode builds that will create huge uproar.

For those who dont understand the issue let me say it , on PTS damage enchants when You have Torug's and infused weapons have 0,8 second cooldown and are 60% stronger when it should have 1,4 sec cooldown. That means You can proc things like oblivion dmg , shock dmg (with 20/40% chance on status effect) , disease dmg (with with 20/40% chance on status effect) and many more each 0,8 second not just from light/heavy attacks but from things like poison injection/destructive touch DoT and basicly all weapon skills. That's huge issue that can cause lot of troubles in the future , if things wont be fixed.
  • SammyFable
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    Yep, if this goes Live ZoS attempt at creating Set variety is destroyed by a single bug. Let's remember the Dev Comment on the BSW nerf: It's been nerfed, because everyone and their mother was using it.
    Now Torug's becomes THIS strong? I hope it gets fixed with next weeks patch.
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  • Juhasow
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom any informations about this issue and is it going to be fixed ?
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Someone finally have to say it out loud.
    Patch notes says
    Torug’s Pact: This item set now reduces the cooldown of your weapon enchantment by 30% instead of one second, and is multiplicative with the cooldown reduction of the Infused trait.
    but on PTS Torug's 5 pieces bonus is additive not multiplicative which causing this set to be extremly strong and overperforming at some point with certain setups in both PvE and PvP.
    If that wont be fixed untill HotR DLC live release we'll get many unballanced brainless easy mode builds that will create huge uproar.

    For those who dont understand the issue let me say it , on PTS damage enchants when You have Torug's and infused weapons have 0,8 second cooldown and are 60% stronger and that means You can proc things like oblivion dmg , shock dmg (with 20/40% chance on status effect) , disease dmg (with with 20/40% chance on status effect) and many more each 0,8 second not just from light/heavy attacks but from things like poison injection/destructive touch DoT and basicly all weapon skills. That's huge issue that can cause lot of troubles in the future , if things wont be fixed.

    Have you tested on pts? Post some latest videos that can help...
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  • Juhasow
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    LZH wrote: »
    imgur.com/h5RbbJp


    56K DPS with Torug's Pact, SPC, Horn, and Ele Drain.


    You can see the 46 Shock enchant procs in 49 seconds meaning it's proccing almost every second (some procs probably missed because of bar swapping).

    Actually You have 46 procs of Shock dmg enchant and 26 procs of Fire dmg enchant. So overall weapon enchants procced 72 times during 50 seconds combat and did over 16k DPS . That's INSANE
  • Draqone
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Actually You have 46 procs of Shock dmg enchant and 26 procs of Fire dmg enchant. So overall weapon enchants procced 72 times during 50 seconds combat and did over 16k DPS . That's INSANE

    YES! Finally a build a total potato like me can play.

    That is.. ekhm.. ZOS, fix please.
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  • Feanor
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    40k for everyone! The solution to all PuG problems! Yay! ;)
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  • H3rBie
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    thread needs to stay on first page
  • Jitterbug
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    Raise that floor!
  • Vaoh
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    5x Torugs Pact

    =

    Enough pure Heavy Attack spam DPS to complete everything except the tougher Vet trials :lol:
  • Biro123
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    16k dps from enchants alone.. hmm, that's 8k dps in pvp.. Isn't that like a selene proc every second?
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  • BohnT
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    ZoS change Torugs 5pc to something useful that doesn't make it op.
    And change how infused works on the 2 glyph types.
    Give damage glyphs only the damage increase from infused and take the cooldown decrease from them.---> high damage every 5 seconds
    Give the supportive glyphs only the cooldown decrease and no stat increase ----> buff is up almost all the time

    And completely rework how oblivion damage works, either apply battle spirit to it, change it to a self heal or get completely rid of it because right now it's way too strong.

    With the new infused + torug it is much stronger than viper ever was, it's 3.4k damage every 0.8 seconds that goes through anything every player gets the same damage and no one can outheal it without a purely heal focused build.

    Every gcd the damage will be something like this:
    LA + 3,4k Oblivion damage + Abilities + Dots
    That is easily 9-14k dps in PvP
    On most templars BoL heals for ~8-10k if they aren't specced into healing this means the most heal focused class can not outheal the damage of this anymore.

    Even if you block most of the damage you'll still eat about 5k damage in this case the enchant dealt more than 60% of the damage.
    A stamina char has only access to HoT they should be able to outheal the enchantments but with this change no stamina spec can outheal even the oblivion enchantment.
    On an argonian stamnb with 18% more healing received and 13% more healing dealt with ~3.6k wpn dmg my vigor crits for 4,2k in pvp resulting in an 5k HoT. The oblivion damage glyphs alone reduces the HoT to 1.6k and this is on a fully heal focused stamina build.

    For the sake of balance remove the oblivion damage glyph or change how they work.
  • frostbreeze
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    Torugs pact+oblivion echant= viper on every light attack.This is absolutely obsurd. I can just light attack anyone to death now.There is no hot that outheals it,there is no block that mitigates it,and if u use dots theres no roll dodge to avoid it. Oblivion with torugs is broken and is gonna be the end of this game.Everyones just gonna light attack each other to death with no actual skill involved.Not like there was much skill involved in eso pvp nowdays but what little there was this combo makes sure its gone too.Did u make a deal with razer so that more ppl would wear out their mice by spamming lmb or something?Get serious.ADRESS THIS
  • Strider_Roshin
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    I wonder if ZOS knows what multiplicative means.
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    @ZOS
    Make this set work with enchantments, change the Spell Damage bonus to both Weapon and Spell. But don't leave it as it currently is...
  • Juhasow
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    5x Torugs Pact

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    Enough pure Heavy Attack spam DPS to complete everything except the tougher Vet trials :lol:

    I think pure light attack spam will give even more DPS.
    Biro123 wrote: »
    16k dps from enchants alone.. hmm, that's 8k dps in pvp.. Isn't that like a selene proc every second?

    Knight Slayer+Torug's Pact= heavy attacks for 5-6k unavoidable dmg every second + dmg of heavy attacks itself.

    GG Zenimax
  • NiclasFridholm
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Vaoh wrote: »
    5x Torugs Pact

    =

    Enough pure Heavy Attack spam DPS to complete everything except the tougher Vet trials :lol:

    I think pure light attack spam will give even more DPS.
    Biro123 wrote: »
    16k dps from enchants alone.. hmm, that's 8k dps in pvp.. Isn't that like a selene proc every second?

    Knight Slayer+Torug's Pact= heavy attacks for 5-6k unavoidable dmg every second + dmg of heavy attacks itself.

    GG Zenimax

    Go with DK HA with resto for maximum enchant uptime, so broken!
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    Edited by GeorgeBlack on August 1, 2017 11:24AM
  • Septimus_Magna
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    LZH wrote: »
    imgur.com/h5RbbJp


    56K DPS with Torug's Pact, SPC, Horn, and Ele Drain.


    You can see the 46 Shock enchant procs in 49 seconds meaning it's proccing almost every second (some procs probably missed because of bar swapping).

    Just out curiousity, what other sets were you using?

    Imagine this with a prismatic enchant vs daedric bosses, vamps or werewolfs..
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    Magna Firebreath - Dunmer Dragon Knight
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  • rafaelcsmaia
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    In pvp you can slot now destructive reach and turn it into a 3-4k unavoidable, unresistable, shield bypassing dot of mass destruction, basically killing a normal dps spec in a matter of seconds, no other skill use needed LMAO.

    Seriously ZOS, as a developer i feel ashamed by the lack of colateral thought you guys have, at least try to think what your changes may impact, its starting to feel unprofessional...
    Edited by rafaelcsmaia on August 1, 2017 12:02PM
  • Morgul667
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    That cant be true and really go live right oO
    Edited by Morgul667 on August 1, 2017 12:18PM
  • DocFrost72
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    Guys, guys, you're all going about this the wrong way. Instead of asking for a sensible nerf on the forums, let it go live and combine it with shieldbreaker. ZOS'll figure it out when every single thread on the first page is about it.

    /s

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  • Feanor
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    Meanwhile they're going to bring down the servers for an urgent hotfix because the crown store font is wrong or something.

    (It's not, but I would expect them to do it if it were)
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    Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)
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    Valirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBlade
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  • Trashs1
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    holy *** this needs to get pushed to first
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  • Hutch679
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    I'm surprised that this hasn't been dealt with yet even with the slug pace that ZoS moves at... Torugs is going to be the new viper, only... mag sorcs can abuse it!
  • Qbiken
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    Hutch679 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that this hasn't been dealt with yet even with the slug pace that ZoS moves at... Torugs is going to be the new viper, only... mag sorcs can abuse it!

    Will probably be abused more by magicka DK´s than by sorcs if you ask me.
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  • akray21
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    Still no response yet?
  • Hutch679
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    Hutch679 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that this hasn't been dealt with yet even with the slug pace that ZoS moves at... Torugs is going to be the new viper, only... mag sorcs can abuse it!

    Will probably be abused more by magicka DK´s than by sorcs if you ask me.

    I'm not entire sure what proc's weapon glyphs. Do class abilities proc it?
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