Psst! Healers and Tanks come here.

max_only · July 2017

Hey all you dps who clicked on this thread go away!

Those of you who are dual specced can participate too, I won't contribute to bi-role erasure.

This game, and most games in general, reward "phat deeps" in all aspects and damage dealing is important no doubt, but there are those of us who like support roles.

Let's brainstorm improvements or additions to content that rewards support players.

Some of my ideas:
1. Make the "block" and "heal" dungeon achievements count for even more Undaunted rep.

2. Award ranked titles for healing in pvp. Like "Field Medic", "Surgeon", "Surgeon General"

3. Add a 1 skill point passive to the Restoration staff skill line that unlocks a conversation tree to "heal" npcs. Finding all the npcs in all the zones that need your healing help gives a similar achievement to donating to all the beggars. Maybe a title/ costume/ dye color.

What are your ideas?

Edit to add later ideas:

1. class quests. Specific quests for each class that allow you to choose either the straight damage solution or the support solution (like how sometimes you can persuade an npc or just choose to outright kill them).

I love the Mages guild, I would like a group of npc healers to recognize us as well.
Anyone can be a part of the Fighters Guild, but not everyone is a tank, some kind of "defensive" game mode would be great. Like playing defense in an fps. Right now we have a defense tick for successfully repelling an attack on a keep, but maybe something more individual would be nice.

2.

WeyounTM wrote: »

Damn I like this thread idea already. Haven't read through all of it so here is my proposal:

Let's have an "Inverse Target Skeleton" for healers like my Heals-your-Paws. You know, a skeleteon that hurts itself and you heal it .
Or as an alternative let us healers join a group with the target skeleton and try to heal it while your DPS is hurting it badly And you can use your DPS-guy to put a nice Ele drain on him while you are at it

3. Can Silver Leash be changed to the store brand Chains please? Instead of the useless gap closer no one needs?

4.

vamp_emily wrote: »

I would like to have a magical chain that will yank DPS out of the red circle and bring them to me. Then I can spank him with my healing staff for being bad.

5.

Tasear wrote: »

Almost the afternoon right, so let me sit down here again

What about quests where you have to heal. I don't quest a lot, but are there such quests for healers or tanks? Would be fun if you had to bring materials for lore related medicines or have to protect mutliple npcs on some psuedo battlefield. Think fungal grotto where allied npcs follow you allow to the end ...if they live.

6.

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I wish there was more incentive for support roles in ESO. It seems a great deal of achievements are designed for DPS roles. Perhaps adding in some special rewards/achievements for Trial/Dungeon/Cyrodiil support milestones?
Here's some quick examples:
- Clearing a HM trial with no deaths, while preventing at least X amount of total damage for the group during the trial.
Unlocks: A glowing aura skin with Aedric runes across your character's body.
- Revive X amount of players, who then got their "revenge kill" on their attacker shortly after.
Unlocks: A new golden skin that shows your character slowly radiating bright flames from their body.

A set of achievements and rewards like this are something that makes being a support build special and it's a way to show off how well you do your job! Maybe not these exact examples listed above, but something similar would be nice instead of the constant "kill X things" and "deal X damage in this place" achievements. Perhaps a whole set of "support role" AP ranks (and skill points) based on a new list of achievements for support actions while in Cyrodiil?

7.

Giraffon wrote: »

I think if you are queued up as a tank, than taunt should work on everything with no exceptions. If not queued as tank then the mechanics should stay as they are now.

I think that if you are queued up as a healer that you should slightly glow so you are easily identified as the healer in the group. Even if you are dead. As a tank, I hate running around looking for the dead healer while getting agro from the boss because I'm the only one still standing.

disintegr8 · July 2017

I'd just like them to make it so that tanks are more necessary in dungeons - too many can be steamrolled without the need for a tank. There are also too many dungeon bosses that don't need a tank or cannot be taunted.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

I'd just like them to make it so that tanks are more necessary in dungeons - too many can be steamrolled without the need for a tank. There are also too many dungeon bosses that don't need a tank or cannot be taunted.

I'd say a tank is still more valuable than a healer in dungeons.

Soriana · July 2017

We were talking in group tonight about role specific achievements for Heals and Tanks; the 50 kills for Midyear Mayhem was the catalyst. For heals, do 50 rez's, for tanks, do 50 assists for kills like chains or talons or something. Almost all achieves are either super simple (run here, chat with her, drink out of bowl, chat with other person, boom achieve) or geared towards DPS (win a battleground match, deliver 50 killing blows to players in PVP).

I would like to see a little diversity going forward.

Path · July 2017

newtinmpls · July 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

I'd just like them to make it so that tanks are more necessary in dungeons - too many can be steamrolled without the need for a tank. There are also too many dungeon bosses that don't need a tank or cannot be taunted.

I find the whole "cannot be taunted" thing irritating. Need a tank - but wait, no benefit to having one - [insert slap to ZoS person who made that call].

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2017

Soriana wrote: »

We were talking in group tonight about role specific achievements for Heals and Tanks; the 50 kills for Midyear Mayhem was the catalyst. For heals, do 50 rez's, for tanks, do 50 assists for kills like chains or talons or something. Almost all achieves are either super simple (run here, chat with her, drink out of bowl, chat with other person, boom achieve) or geared towards DPS (win a battleground match, deliver 50 killing blows to players in PVP).

I would like to see a little diversity going forward.

The sad thing here in your suggestion is that generally speaking the DPS are supposed to be the ones doing the rezzing in dungeons and trials and such.

The_Old_Goat · July 2017

I used to jokingly, lovingly refer to my tanks as meatshields who's only interest in books are eating them, but after some of the people I've ran into in dungeons, I mostly think they're the only sane ones. Healers rolling with 2hd swords, dps who feel the need to get to the mobs before anyone else and pull everything and not to mention the dps who que as healers or tanks. I couldn't grasp the mag/stam balances of tanking with Dk's, Nb's and Templars but Warden was the one I took to like a duck to water. From my experience most bosses won't move with Frozen gate, so I'd like to see that addressed.

Riddari · July 2017

I would like for all classes to have tank and healing tools that make them viable as end game tanks or healers. Tools separatefrom 1hS and resto staff. Each class has 3 skill lines which was imo a perfect way to have one for each role.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · July 2017

Surgeon? Medic Field? You probably played too much The Division.
I'd rather have some title like The sexy beacon of light or The sexy last hope of Tamriel.

On the other hand those fake tanks and healers should be marked for good, so that we all know they are liars.

Enslaved · July 2017

max_only wrote: »

Hey all you dps who clicked on this thread go away!

Those of you who are dual specced can participate too, I won't contribute to bi-role erasure.

This game, and most games in general, reward "phat deeps" in all aspects and damage dealing is important no doubt, but there are those of us who like support roles.

Let's brainstorm improvements or additions to content that rewards support players.

Some of my ideas:
1. Make the "block" and "heal" dungeon achievements count for even more Undaunted rep.

2. Award ranked titles for healing in pvp. Like "Field Medic", "Surgeon", "Surgeon General"

3. Add a 1 skill point passive to the Restoration staff skill line that unlocks a conversation tree to "heal" npcs. Finding all the npcs in all the zones that need your healing help gives a similar achievement to donating to all the beggars. Maybe a title/ costume/ dye color.

What are your ideas?

Spamming BoL does not actually make one a surgeon, you know.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · July 2017

Riddari wrote: »

I would like for all classes to have tank and healing tools that make them viable as end game tanks or healers.

Then you queue up for veteran dungeons as a healer, tank and dd. For Mara's sake, NO! You wanna tank? Tank! You wanna take care of people? Be a healer! You wanna take care of people and be super sexy? Be a Breton girl healer! You wanna kill stuff? Be a DD.

You can't be everything.

DonWalking · July 2017

Am I only one that read this and thought someone was whispering this to me

phileunderx2 · July 2017

Got in a fake tank group yesterday in crypt of hearts. I drew 100 per cent of the aggro on the first boss and left group before the guy trying to rez me could finish.

Riddari · July 2017

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Riddari wrote: »

I would like for all classes to have tank and healing tools that make them viable as end game tanks or healers.

Then you queue up for veteran dungeons as a healer, tank and dd. For Mara's sake, NO! You wanna tank? Tank! You wanna take care of people? Be a healer! You wanna take care of people and be super sexy? Be a Breton girl healer! You wanna kill stuff? Be a DD.

You can't be everything.

You misunderstood.

I don't want all classes to be able to be all 3 at once. That would be absurd.

I want all classes to be able to have tools at their disposal which would allow them to specialize in any of the 3 roles.

From your point of view if I want to talk I should be FORCED into being a DK in order to be viable for end game content? This seems fair to you?

ofSunhold · July 2017

I would wear "Field Medic" happily. Or I would have done, before they FUBARed so many templar skills I gave into the DD milieu.

DonWalking wrote: »

Am I only one that read this and thought someone was whispering this to me

I thought there might be more talk about special hugs and stuff.

Khenarthi · July 2017

newtinmpls wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I'd just like them to make it so that tanks are more necessary in dungeons - too many can be steamrolled without the need for a tank. There are also too many dungeon bosses that don't need a tank or cannot be taunted.

I find the whole "cannot be taunted" thing irritating. Need a tank - but wait, no benefit to having one - [insert slap to ZoS person who made that call].

Same here. I would love to taunt all the bosses, but there are a few who just insist on chasing the squishy group members (and some will then blame me for not taking the boss away)

Insomnia rex · July 2017

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Surgeon? Medic Field? You probably played too much The Division.
I'd rather have some title like The sexy beacon of light or The sexy last hope of Tamriel.

On the other hand those fake tanks and healers should be marked for good, so that we all know they are liars.

Just curious. Are you the guy on PC EU, who tells everyone which keep to attack because that particular keep is sexy and we need it to be sexy again?

The_Art_of_Paw · July 2017

Healing can always be made more fun by making dps able to move quicker. The quicker they can grind through the map, the less they will want to heal themselves and make the heal role fun.

Tank is made fun by just making every boss able to be taunted and the one in the tank role has an overriding taunt that will always hold aggro on the boss. Also a quicker way to taunt that costs less resources for mini bosses.

That's my thoughts on making those roles fun. I don't participate in end game pve as a note, I just do all roles over the normal pugging scene.

kylewwefan · July 2017

Your reward for tanking is quick que. At least in my experience.

I ran 5 randoms the other day. 3 of them were vetCoA2. 1 stuck at Skoria, 1 at the firemaw. It gave good satisfaction helping these motly crue through probably the hardest non DLC dungeon in game. The groups were astonished we actually beat it and they got some cool monster helm. Just another day in the park for me. Lol

It became very apparent to me how much difference a tank could make. I'm by no means some kind of op tank, but I know how to play the role...at least for dungeons. Some dungeons can be steam rolled, but proper group can make things go much smoother.

I like being a DD, but think I actually do better job tanking or healing.

IMO PvP tanks are often overlooked and misused. My most successful job in Cyrodil is manning the battering ram while hot oil is being poured on us from above and CC.

Tasear · July 2017

some titles related to roles we be interesting. Also I do feel tanks roles have diminished ...let a lone the off tank. Especially at higher levels. I know that I can cover as healer, 3 dps in most dungeons.

supaskrub · July 2017

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Got in a fake tank group yesterday in crypt of hearts. I drew 100 per cent of the aggro on the first boss and left group before the guy trying to rez me could finish.

Hmmmm not knocking you but how do you die to that boss?.. and really you should be blaming the healer if you died. This is one of the prime examples of a dungeon that really is easy enough to complete with no tank (presuming CoH1)..

Giraffon · July 2017

I think if you are queued up as a tank, than taunt should work on everything with no exceptions. If not queued as tank then the mechanics should stay as they are now.

I think that if you are queued up as a healer that you should slightly glow so you are easily identified as the healer in the group. Even if you are dead. As a tank, I hate running around looking for the dead healer while getting agro from the boss because I'm the only one still standing.

idk · July 2017

Came into this thread expecting some sort of decent topic about tanking and healing.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · July 2017

Insomnia rex wrote: »

Just curious. Are you the guy on PC EU, who tells everyone which keep to attack because that particular keep is sexy and we need it to be sexy again?

Unfortunately I am not. I usually speak in the zone channel about sweetrolls and snuggling.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · July 2017

Riddari wrote: »

You misunderstood.
I don't want all classes to be able to be all 3 at once. That would be absurd.
I want all classes to be able to have tools at their disposal which would allow them to specialize in any of the 3 roles.

Then why having classes at all? You have the option to use and specialize in specific weapons, including the Restoration Staff. This gives any class the chance to heal, even if less than a Templar. If all classes had a specialization for tanking, damaging and healing then remove all classes and that's pretty much it.

wolfie1.0. · July 2017

Riddari wrote: »

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Riddari wrote: »

I would like for all classes to have tank and healing tools that make them viable as end game tanks or healers.

Then you queue up for veteran dungeons as a healer, tank and dd. For Mara's sake, NO! You wanna tank? Tank! You wanna take care of people? Be a healer! You wanna take care of people and be super sexy? Be a Breton girl healer! You wanna kill stuff? Be a DD.

You can't be everything.

You misunderstood.

I don't want all classes to be able to be all 3 at once. That would be absurd.

I want all classes to be able to have tools at their disposal which would allow them to specialize in any of the 3 roles.

From your point of view if I want to talk I should be FORCED into being a DK in order to be viable for end game content? This seems fair to you?

Then why have the class system at all?

josiahva · July 2017

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Riddari wrote: »

I would like for all classes to have tank and healing tools that make them viable as end game tanks or healers.

Then you queue up for veteran dungeons as a healer, tank and dd. For Mara's sake, NO! You wanna tank? Tank! You wanna take care of people? Be a healer! You wanna take care of people and be super sexy? Be a Breton girl healer! You wanna kill stuff? Be a DD.

You can't be everything.

Don't be ignorant. I have a DK that I will occasionally triple queue with. Note: I will do this with vet dungeons, not trials. This DK is perfectly capable of filling ANY of these roles competently without even changing gear(with the exception of swapping from S&B to resto staff when needing to heal). All I have to do is swap skills around. If I am running some dungeon where I need to be more effective in a given role(vRoM, vCoS, vICP, vWGT) I will ALSO swap gear to match. I have an add on that allows me to swap gear and/or skills by pressing a button. So I can effectively do ANY of the 3 roles with the same toon for anything short of trial content. I of course dont try to do them ALL at once(though I can sometimes manage to do two off-roles at once depending on dungeon)

I have a similar warden toon that can heal and tank at the same time, though really not as effectively as a pure tank or pure healer, but sufficient for vet dungeons.

Brrrofski · July 2017

Problem is, some dungeons you don't need either. Some dungeons you just need the one.

As long as this persists, everyone just making dps will continue.

max_only · July 2017

Soriana wrote: »

We were talking in group tonight about role specific achievements for Heals and Tanks; the 50 kills for Midyear Mayhem was the catalyst. For heals, do 50 rez's, for tanks, do 50 assists for kills like chains or talons or something. Almost all achieves are either super simple (run here, chat with her, drink out of bowl, chat with other person, boom achieve) or geared towards DPS (win a battleground match, deliver 50 killing blows to players in PVP).

I would like to see a little diversity going forward.

Yes, Midyear Mayhem is what inspired this thread. I quite enjoyed the challenge for a change of pace even though I won't use the title or the hat on either of my current main characters. I would use a Field Medic title though, sounds boss af.

IronCrystal · July 2017

You guys make it sound like every enemy in this game is untauntable...

Start naming enemies that are untauntable. The list isn't as long as you think.

Also,

Tasear wrote: »

some titles related to roles we be interesting. Also I do feel tanks roles have diminished ...let a lone the off tank. Especially at higher levels. I know that I can cover as healer, 3 dps in most dungeons.

There is no such thing as an off-tank in 4 man dungeons.

Giraffon wrote: »

I think if you are queued up as a tank, than taunt should work on everything with no exceptions. If not queued as tank then the mechanics should stay as they are now.

I think that if you are queued up as a healer that you should slightly glow so you are easily identified as the healer in the group. Even if you are dead. As a tank, I hate running around looking for the dead healer while getting agro from the boss because I'm the only one still standing.

WTF you feel like you are so special you wanna glow? How absurd.

You guys think you are so "humble" by healing and tanking and that you should be treated with more respect than the DPS.

Get off your high horses.