ZOS, nerf Sorc shield
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✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »I run 5 riposte/5 spinner/2 bloodspawn or skoria on a magicka nightblade. Before you say spinners is the problem I've also ran war maiden and decided that it didn't really change all that much. Its to the point now if I'm going to duel a sorc we have to agree to no annulment no resto ulti. Shieldsare that bag of the sorc is fighting back But alot of times the prioritize keeping a shield up instead of trying to be aggressive. Magblades are kind of guilty of this too but once a magblade is on the defensive like that it's only a matter of time before he's dead.
Ok. Well.
You´re running a super defensive setup, that´s also bad against shields. Would you mind telling which skills you´re using aswell? There are quite a bit of option on magblade compared to sorcs
A magblade (contrary to a sorc) can work with only healing ward because they have access to exessive passive and semipassive healing.
Which also kinda means that offense is defense for magblade by design. I haven´t seen a "defensive" magblade so far.
All cheap defensive ultimates break the concept of 1v1 encounters. You can´t kill players playing defensive with defensive low cost ultimates.
In a fight with no restoult no harness/dampen i´d put all my money on the magblade. Much better toolkit.
I wouldn't really call my set up defensive the damage is actually really high with skoria and it doesn't matter if i run war maiden/julianos or spinners my spammable dps as a magblade is poor. The only chance i have at winning is hitting the sorc with a soul tether as his shields expire and combine it with an assasins will, or pressure their stam pool with CCs. Most sorcs run amberplasm though so that second one can be out the question. The reason magblades can run only healing ward is because they build defensively to not be one shot. A glass cannon nightblade will still need to run dampen. 1v1 i also would put my money on the magblade but i would put my money on the fight ending in a draw first. I do in fact win most of my fights against sorcs honestly i only lost to one sorc this patch but i usually win all my fights against all classes, but sorcs are by far the most ridiculous to fight especially if they really aren't fighting back. I also get the most hate mail from sorcs telling me i don't do any dps when really it's them who are just standing in one spot cycling shields while my dots keep their magicka pool full because of harness magicka
2 skoria/infernal 5 necro/warmaiden (front) 5 spc (back) is what i´d call and offensive setup on magblade. But i guess that´s not really relevant.
Yeah sorcs can draw any magica class with shieldstacking 1v1. There is just no way to break hardened + harness on a decent magica pool. They won´t run out ever.
I´ve posted countless times i think shieldstacking shouldn´t exist. Harness should overwrite hardened and vice versa.
But if you remove harness from sorcs it´s imo all in favor of the magblade. They shouldn´t loose against sorcs unless some critical buff ran out.
Personally i never found tether to be as threatening as soulassault (and i´m saying that on sorc). You can´t outshield entropy + cripple + x + skoria with a CC into soulassault given the NB packs enough dmg.
You can't really run a set up as offensive as that on a magblade though. I would agree last patch when siphoning attacks was op it would be almost impossible for a sorc to kill a magblade because you could run so much damage and wear heavy armor. This patch is a little different. Im honestly not so sure magblade sustain is actually all that better than sorcerers now. The only reason i think a magblade has a slight advantage over a sorc is because a sorc is forced to let shields drop to secure a kill on a magblade because of all the hots and sorcs are more reliant on burst so most of the fight i don't feel like my health is in danger. The only problem i have is a lot of sorcs would rather draw than win or lose. They won't let their shield go down and they will never run out of magicka. Something needs to change I would be all for making hardened stronger and making it not stack with annulment. Or nerf harness, every other sustain ability was nerfed why not this one
It´s what i´d be runnign on my NB if i had a spc resto staff. I can sustain fine?
Much better than on my sorc thats for sure - i´m playing magblade on 1900 rec and sorc on 2200 for open world.
Siphoning still provides as much magica per minute as a lich procc does and heals on top of that.Edited by Derra on July 18, 2017 6:08AM<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »Really? My magblade plays sooo much easier!
Magicka Flood for free 8% max mag. Shade for Minor Maim and that sweet Necropotence buff. Together, my Magblade has a WAY stronger shield than my sorc. And I only need that single one.
Cloak lets me survive zerg encounters. It is much, MUCH better than Streak to escape. Being pulled out of it 50% of the time is still better than being gapclosed and killed 100% while stuck in midair and steak animation.
My Magblade's burst is GUARANTEED. Yes, I'm missing the telegraphed, purgable Curse, but an empowered Assassin's Will makes the total damage close. And while I'm sweating my bum off on my sorc to land that burst while every frag is dodged if I don't use the abyssmal Streak CC, my magblade only has to press one button to fear. Guaranteed burst. Sometimes isn't broken free immediately. Also applies a snare. And Minor Maim. And Shadow Barrier free 5k resistance, because WHY NOT?
I enjoy my sorc more, but boi... Claiming magblade would not be on par with magsorc and be more difficult to play is just sooo wrong.
In a sorc vs mag nb match up, the nb is 2 times better off with tons of additional buffs and debuffs, as well as generally higher stats and sustain. I'm seriously considering switching more to the NB nowadays as well.
Mage please... Manablades (or nightblades in general) need to do 5 light attacks in 20 seconds and align that skill with an ultimate to get some dangerous burst (which is channeled, means that it can't be animation cancelled, it's dodgeable and blockable), how can you even compare to this to sorc who can just align burst with every curse (while curse ignores all defenses)? On sorc you basically need to be careful to not burst your opponent by accident nowadays. Yes, manablades can be strong (especially in duels) but that's mostly because they can trigger lolpotence so easily with their shade. Otherwise I don't see any reason how magsorc should not be better than manablade, especially with the fragment mechanic, which allows you to proc this crap 10 times in a row which results in ridiculous high pressure spikes, relentless focus can't do that.
Magsorcs right now is insanely strong and I'm getting totally annoyed by magsorc players who deny that. High burst (which has one of the lowest cooldowns as well), high mobility, a lot AoE, tanky as hell, a lot group utility and also super strong in duels, just WTF... In PvE they are top tier too as far as I've heard.
Stamina has to play stupid full tank builds right now (normal heavy armor is not enough, you really need to go for defensive sets and stack the hell out of your defense), which are only viable in duels anyways, to be able to compete with magicka sorcs (or magicka in general) and once a sorc goes for a duel build, well... *** gets serious then. On medium armor you are just totally *** in this meta (maybe with proc sets you can make it work, but you know very well that I run crafted only builds for duels on my nightblade and that I'm not abusing this proc nonsense... and sorc can just proc the same with Skoria, overwhelming surge etc) and you know this very well since basically everyone in medium armor quitted the dueling spot (Jo, Fen, Floriel, Decimus and me for example). Not gonna start talking about that last tourney, there literally all medium armor builds got killed in the first round.
It's just not enjoyable with all this spammable strong shields. Next patch every magicka class can just slot lolpotence and kekrend and get the 4k magicka with almost perma uptime on top of a strong pet that pulls me out of cloak for no reason and applies minor main on me (I can spam 30k shields with that nonsense, my vigor with alchemist buffed has a 13k tooltip which get reduced by defile, nice balance). It just doesn't feel right that you can die to everything while wearing medium armor while magicka just sits there and spams heals or shields and have immunity against everything that isn't high burst. I don't mind giving magicka better options for open world and 1vX but ***, that shield mechanic is so ridiculous in 1v1 fights, people can't be serious when they demand buffs for shields. Oh and the medium armor player dies to the first Soul Strike, but the ultimate is totally fine according to magicka players.
I seriously see how magicka players justify something like THIS because there is a *** oblivion enchant in this game lol. I hope everyone enjoys fighting shieldstack vs shieldstack. *** this, I just wish I would have played sorc since release instead of stamina.
You're right about medium armor, but you're wrong about sorc vs nb duel with equal gear (ex, lolpotence). The NB has a lot more soft CCs, dots & utility as well as high burst on-demand. I dueled some sorcs with my nb and it's kinda sad to see the other player just perma snared and rooted in place, refreshing shields because my dots + skoria is enough to do that, not to mention spammable siphoning dps that does more damage and costs less than destro, as well as assassin's that did so much damage that I didn't even care about aligning it with ultimates or whatever, just shoot it when it's ready and boom shields are gone with one skill (higher tooltip than empowered frags, check it out).
Also, just the utility + dots is what makes mag nb stronger in a duel vs sorc (again, equal gear & player skill), but now add minor maim from shade + major evasion from a magicka skill, that's a huge advantage, the sorc won't have access to any of those in most circumstances and that's 15% dodge chance + 15% less damage, you have to agree that even just two buffs like that are insanely strong in a duel like that. Not to mention 8% more mag from nowhere, higher mag recovery than sorc, I'd have to slot a skill on both bars to get that 8%, NB gets it as easy as anything. They're way stronger in a duel against sorcs and their shield is bigger, there's no need to use two shields when you got a mag nb with necropotence and enough sustain.
Oh and I forgot, fire a cloak every now and then and not only will you get major resistances and an automatic frag miss, but also 8% less damage taken.
And all of those buffs and debuffs apply to your 'shield' as a mag nb, making it EVEN stronger.
Mag NB when equally geared and played right is miles away ahead of mag sorc (when fighting a mag sorc) it's just that there aren't many of them around and they require specific playstyle that not many players enjoy.
While I agree with the above sentiment, the mag NB requires far more skill to do this with
Yeah that´s true.
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✭✭✭✭✭Is it just me or is the issue not really shields. I'm a stam only player and shields are not an issue this patch. What remains an issue is the massive Amount of burst damage that mag sorcs can line up from behind shields. As a mag sorc you're in the free and clear to jump around spamming execute and curse and a frag whenever it procs. There seems to be very little downside to playing mag sorc evident by the sheer number of them populating cyrodiil and bgs. It's the class people choose because it allows errors to be made and the shields and mobility to back out of a fight with relative ease. The range on some of the attacks is monumental and there's no downside to kiting and fighting from far away even behind he range of crit charge. Don't nerf shields, do adjust the class (or other classes) to make mag sorcs less of the obvious choice for beginners. The overuse of proc sets, abilities and cp points have all seen them adjusted to avoid that. Proc blades are now seeing some of that adjustment next patch, why have mag sorcs escaped this?2 -
MirkoZ✭✭✭✭SirMontyII wrote: »If I can't kill it - it is cheating or it needs to be nerfed. If I die to someone they are cheating or they need to be nerfed. If a zerg of 40 people spamming destro runs me over and I die it was their fault.
Can we have the things that are actually broken fixed first before we continue the endless whining about the nerf this or that.
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Dawnbreaker becomes undodgable again! I will be reaping dodgemonkey tears, boiiiz!
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✭✭✭✭✭This thread... omg
Pretty sure they nerfed damage shields with the duration nerf (made things less fun too with the forced 5-6sec recasts).
But ppl still need to complain as their proc builds won't oneshot a fully shieldstacked Sorc so..... what next?
In Morrowind reduced cost CP was removed, which supported Mag Sorc gameplay a lot due to their higher-than-average costing skills. I find Mag Sorcs to not be difficult to kill besides for a handful of really good players. 1H/S+2H Tremor Stam DKs on the other hand.... well they make up most of BGs atm.
Idk. As a whole things seems decently balanced for the first time in a long time. Procs overperforming (even in HotR Tremor and Selenes will be a problem) are the main issue left. Besides this, PvP has seen much worse days....Edited by Vaoh on July 18, 2017 7:44PM2 -
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✭✭✭For real, Vaoh.
We're finally back to the point where balancing is so alright, we can discuss minor stuff. I remember times when magicka oneshot groups. When stamina oneshot single people. We're far away from those days, thankfully.
I feel like something has shifted. ZOS have delivered suspiciously good work with the new patch notes. I wonder if the staff has changed or they had a change of mind how to approach things. Or maybe they finally had enough time spare.
Whatever it is, I hope they keep on this track!
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Everyone is so cought with each owns tantrum and overractions that aren't able to notice that for a coupel of patches already balance between classes has been fairly well done.For real, Vaoh.
We're finally back to the point where balancing is so alright, we can discuss minor stuff. I remember times when magicka oneshot groups. When stamina oneshot single people. We're far away from those days, thankfully.
I feel like something has shifted. ZOS have delivered suspiciously good work with the new patch notes. I wonder if the staff has changed or they had a change of mind how to approach things. Or maybe they finally had enough time spare.
Whatever it is, I hope they keep on this track!
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lrizo✭✭Drakkdjinn wrote: »
Lol good one mate... your making a fool of yourself saying *** like that. No counter? You can't be serious, you do realize that raw damage is the counter to sorcs as it is to any other class in the game. Sounds like you're lacking in one of the main elements of the game.Edited by lrizo on July 19, 2017 1:30AM0 -
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Everyone is so cought with each owns tantrum and overractions that aren't able to notice that for a coupel of patches already balance between classes has been fairly well done.For real, Vaoh.
We're finally back to the point where balancing is so alright, we can discuss minor stuff. I remember times when magicka oneshot groups. When stamina oneshot single people. We're far away from those days, thankfully.
I feel like something has shifted. ZOS have delivered suspiciously good work with the new patch notes. I wonder if the staff has changed or they had a change of mind how to approach things. Or maybe they finally had enough time spare.
Whatever it is, I hope they keep on this track!
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They have been improving, but have left things out or put bandaid/blanket treatment on stuff. Like procsets.
This is the first time in a looong while I actually feel heard and as if the balance team actually looked into specific matters.0 -
Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭I was one of the "shield must be nerfed" guys but at the moment what I hate the most is block casting. At least shields needs to be reapplied so it's really easy to kill a bad sorc (while a good one will have too much recovery so less damage- usually a draw). What really grind my gears is block-helligotnoskill-casting ,you guys should address that0
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Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »So many idiots in this thread, if you really have a problem with sorcs, put some CP in shattering blows.... that's why it's there.
Roll dodge > shields
Shattering blows isnt great and it reduces damage elsewhere.
Dodge roll doesnt dodge all damage and cant be used pre emptively. It also doesnt allow you to go on the offensive while playing defense simultaneously.
I disagree.
Doesn't allow you to go on the offensive? What about sets that proc off of roll dodge that gives you 600 weapon dmg! XD0 -
Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭Lol they need to nerf sorc in a lot of ways obviously look at Cyrodiil and why every pug is playing them. Can you go 10 feet without being hit by 3 curses and mages wrath lol. Then when you engage they shield up and run.
At least permablockers you can just fear and they don't have 20k shields still up.
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Lol, so what you're saying is, you need to be a magsorc to have a legitimate chance at bursting down a magsorc and you have to use two ultimate stop to do it. Brilliant, I don't think you could make a better case for rebalancing mag sorcs.3 -
Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Most people that hate sorcerers actually never played one. It is not as easy as you make it sound. lol
Forget about it curse= easy mode never miss a rotation
dark conversion = fresh resources plus a heal easy mode, just streak away get behind a rock and use converaion and u are back on the fight. And btw i play sorc aswell and they are top class for pvp and pve... and going back to the easy mode do you ever heard the meme elderly scrolls? It came to be when one of the developers wanted the sorc to be more noob friendly specialy for the older player that lacks the reflexes and reaction time of a more youger and more avid player... with that said yes it is an easier class to play with and because of that i dont use it often i rather play stam because is hard mode and it gets my blood pumping 
Stam is hard mode...lol just lol
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Lol, so what you're saying is, you need to be a magsorc to have a legitimate chance at bursting down a magsorc and you have to use two ultimate stop to do it. Brilliant, I don't think you could make a better case for rebalancing mag sorcs.
Nah, three meteors will also do the trick.
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I'm obviously jesting, dude. But there is a bit of truth behind it, regardless. Magsorcs are quite vulnerable to many coordinated maneuvers. Not exactly destro ult, unless vampire. But roots and negates are there. Snares. CCs before shields expire. And a lot more stuff.
It's true, 1v1, you won't die as long as shields are up. Wroebel said that when he shortened the duration. To beat a sorc, in conclusion, you gotta get the shields to lower. It's not the typical brutish proc'n'cloak approach people have internalized. Players just have forgotten how to play properly, which I blame the massive BS mechanics of the last two years for.1 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Micah_Bayer wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Most people that hate sorcerers actually never played one. It is not as easy as you make it sound. lol
Forget about it curse= easy mode never miss a rotation dark conversion = fresh resources plus a heal easy mode, just streak away get behind a rock and use converaion and u are back on the fight. And btw i play sorc aswell and they are top class for pvp and pve... and going back to the easy mode do you ever heard the meme elderly scrolls? It came to be when one of the developers wanted the sorc to be more noob friendly specialy for the older player that lacks the reflexes and reaction time of a more youger and more avid player... with that said yes it is an easier class to play with and because of that i dont use it often i rather play stam because is hard mode and it gets my blood pumping
Stam is hard mode...lol just lol
Obvoiusly u dont run a stamina toon... sorcs and any magicka class use stamina for cc break only and with sets like blood spawn that is not a problem anymore, stam users have to fight wisely due to 1 pool for everything from healing to dodge roll and atacking... one wrong extra move you depleded your stam you are dead.. you need to know what blows to block and what not. Due to medium armor block can cost you your life if not applied on the right time frame and if you do it too much you end up with no stam wich in most cases equals death, and that just to mention a few things to cosider when playing a stam class with no heavypermablocking cheese (dk's and templars) mostly, so with tha said...Let me know when any mag class has to go tru that... i mean if stacking shields over and over and over and spaming execute to proc frags is hard mode to you then... wow i dont know what to say but lol just lol.1 -
lrizo✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Most people that hate sorcerers actually never played one. It is not as easy as you make it sound. lol
Forget about it curse= easy mode never miss a rotation dark conversion = fresh resources plus a heal easy mode, just streak away get behind a rock and use converaion and u are back on the fight. And btw i play sorc aswell and they are top class for pvp and pve... and going back to the easy mode do you ever heard the meme elderly scrolls? It came to be when one of the developers wanted the sorc to be more noob friendly specialy for the older player that lacks the reflexes and reaction time of a more youger and more avid player... with that said yes it is an easier class to play with and because of that i dont use it often i rather play stam because is hard mode and it gets my blood pumping
Stam is hard mode...lol just lol
Obvoiusly u dont run a stamina toon... sorcs and any magicka class use stamina for cc break only and with sets like blood spawn that is not a problem anymore, stam users have to fight wisely due to 1 pool for everything from healing to dodge roll and atacking... one wrong extra move you depleded your stam you are dead.. you need to know what blows to block and what not. Due to medium armor block can cost you your life if not applied on the right time frame and if you do it too much you end up with no stam wich in most cases equals death, and that just to mention a few things to cosider when playing a stam class with no heavypermablocking cheese (dk's and templars) mostly, so with tha said...Let me know when any mag class has to go tru that... i mean if stacking shields over and over and over and spaming execute to proc frags is hard mode to you then... wow i dont know what to say but lol just lol.
Mate you're ridiculous. since sorcs have shields they don't have to worry about blocking and rolling? What a joke. You say this like blocking and rolling doesn't cost a sorc anything at all. Don't even get me started with your last comment, I mean c'mon mate, if you allow a sorc to kill you with spamming execute and a proc frag (both of which are dodgeble) then this is clearly on you mate.
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Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Most people that hate sorcerers actually never played one. It is not as easy as you make it sound. lol
Forget about it curse= easy mode never miss a rotation dark conversion = fresh resources plus a heal easy mode, just streak away get behind a rock and use converaion and u are back on the fight. And btw i play sorc aswell and they are top class for pvp and pve... and going back to the easy mode do you ever heard the meme elderly scrolls? It came to be when one of the developers wanted the sorc to be more noob friendly specialy for the older player that lacks the reflexes and reaction time of a more youger and more avid player... with that said yes it is an easier class to play with and because of that i dont use it often i rather play stam because is hard mode and it gets my blood pumping
Stam is hard mode...lol just lol
Obvoiusly u dont run a stamina toon... sorcs and any magicka class use stamina for cc break only and with sets like blood spawn that is not a problem anymore, stam users have to fight wisely due to 1 pool for everything from healing to dodge roll and atacking... one wrong extra move you depleded your stam you are dead.. you need to know what blows to block and what not. Due to medium armor block can cost you your life if not applied on the right time frame and if you do it too much you end up with no stam wich in most cases equals death, and that just to mention a few things to cosider when playing a stam class with no heavypermablocking cheese (dk's and templars) mostly, so with tha said...Let me know when any mag class has to go tru that... i mean if stacking shields over and over and over and spaming execute to proc frags is hard mode to you then... wow i dont know what to say but lol just lol.
Mate you're ridiculous. since sorcs have shields they don't have to worry about blocking and rolling? What a joke. You say this like blocking and rolling doesn't cost a sorc anything at all. Don't even get me started with your last comment, I mean c'mon mate, if you allow a sorc to kill you with spamming execute and a proc frag (both of which are dodgeble) then this is clearly on you mate.
I never said i got killed by one just by doing that... have you been living under a rock? When have u seen a sorc blocking other than a cc like dizzing blow?... everything else they facetank with shields first of all and second i never said they dont suffer from the ocasional dodge roll and block like i mention above... third read before you coment, i was stating that stamina is hardmode because we have 1 pool for everything...one wrong move and we are out of stamina and we are as scarry as a toothless lion because we cant atack... also let me add i play sorc aswell and if you read my first post i was comparing wich was harder to play and why i play a certain class. Quick question how many dodge rolls do you need to get to the center of a tootsie sorc? 1 may b 2 (if u smart and you run a set like amberplasm or something alike) lol because after that u wont be able to cc brake and die... so your comment about dodge rolling and blocking with a sorc just went up in smoke. Ask any competent sorc if they rather mitigate with shields or block... they will tell you my stamina pool is for cc brake only if i block a few La or Ha i cant cc brake, so i rather shield stack bc i have 50k magicka and my shields are better than blocking plus i can weave atacks in betwen shields., So yeah its funny how you make it sound like sorcs dodge roll and block all day in cyro lol!!!!! They will be no sorcs if they played like that... and the only time i c a sorc blocking is when they are out of magicka (baddie sorcs) and they are rooted and all u see is block n bash in a desperate move to survive, i just laugh when that happens m...a...t....e
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✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Most people that hate sorcerers actually never played one. It is not as easy as you make it sound. lol
Forget about it curse= easy mode never miss a rotation dark conversion = fresh resources plus a heal easy mode, just streak away get behind a rock and use converaion and u are back on the fight. And btw i play sorc aswell and they are top class for pvp and pve... and going back to the easy mode do you ever heard the meme elderly scrolls? It came to be when one of the developers wanted the sorc to be more noob friendly specialy for the older player that lacks the reflexes and reaction time of a more youger and more avid player... with that said yes it is an easier class to play with and because of that i dont use it often i rather play stam because is hard mode and it gets my blood pumping
Stam is hard mode...lol just lol
Obvoiusly u dont run a stamina toon... sorcs and any magicka class use stamina for cc break only and with sets like blood spawn that is not a problem anymore, stam users have to fight wisely due to 1 pool for everything from healing to dodge roll and atacking... one wrong extra move you depleded your stam you are dead.. you need to know what blows to block and what not. Due to medium armor block can cost you your life if not applied on the right time frame and if you do it too much you end up with no stam wich in most cases equals death, and that just to mention a few things to cosider when playing a stam class with no heavypermablocking cheese (dk's and templars) mostly, so with tha said...Let me know when any mag class has to go tru that... i mean if stacking shields over and over and over and spaming execute to proc frags is hard mode to you then... wow i dont know what to say but lol just lol.
Lol why does every think sorc when they think magicka. There are 4 other magicka classes and they do in fact have to block and roll dodge. Even a sorc will need to dodge If they are getting spammed with roots, and while certain mag classes like sorc and templar are easy to play mag dk and magblade are the two hardest classes to play. Also just because stamina is only used for cc break doesn't mean magicka isn't used for every thing else. If you play magicka and you run out of magicka you are dead since like stamina it's used for your offensive and defensive abilities. Stamina also has a magicka pool they can use for added survivability the same as magicka use their stam pool to cc break.1 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Most people that hate sorcerers actually never played one. It is not as easy as you make it sound. lol
Forget about it curse= easy mode never miss a rotation dark conversion = fresh resources plus a heal easy mode, just streak away get behind a rock and use converaion and u are back on the fight. And btw i play sorc aswell and they are top class for pvp and pve... and going back to the easy mode do you ever heard the meme elderly scrolls? It came to be when one of the developers wanted the sorc to be more noob friendly specialy for the older player that lacks the reflexes and reaction time of a more youger and more avid player... with that said yes it is an easier class to play with and because of that i dont use it often i rather play stam because is hard mode and it gets my blood pumping
Stam is hard mode...lol just lol
Obvoiusly u dont run a stamina toon... sorcs and any magicka class use stamina for cc break only and with sets like blood spawn that is not a problem anymore, stam users have to fight wisely due to 1 pool for everything from healing to dodge roll and atacking... one wrong extra move you depleded your stam you are dead.. you need to know what blows to block and what not. Due to medium armor block can cost you your life if not applied on the right time frame and if you do it too much you end up with no stam wich in most cases equals death, and that just to mention a few things to cosider when playing a stam class with no heavypermablocking cheese (dk's and templars) mostly, so with tha said...Let me know when any mag class has to go tru that... i mean if stacking shields over and over and over and spaming execute to proc frags is hard mode to you then... wow i dont know what to say but lol just lol.
Lol why does every think sorc when they think magicka. There are 4 other magicka classes and they do in fact have to block and roll dodge. Even a sorc will need to dodge If they are getting spammed with roots, and while certain mag classes like sorc and templar are easy to play mag dk and magblade are the two hardest classes to play. Also just because stamina is only used for cc break doesn't mean magicka isn't used for every thing else. If you play magicka and you run out of magicka you are dead since like stamina it's used for your offensive and defensive abilities. Stamina also has a magicka pool they can use for added survivability the same as magicka use their stam pool to cc break.
I do agree with you in some way, and yes there is other magicka clases, but sorcs are abused the most by meta chasers due to their burst potential, mobility , survavility and the fact that was the least nerfed class, but im not saying is a bad thing tho...i have nothing against sorcs. I was just using it as an example. And i like the fact that you pointed that out about magicka used in everything else and that is exactly my point... if you cant block for any given reason you can use your magicka to cast shields while being on the offensive and be very efective (you have 2 choices to choose from)... stam users if they ran out they ran out they dont have two options to choose from due to 1 pool for everything... the only class that can benefit from magicka being stam is a NB but not everyone plays a nb so is a matter of choice plus cloak is broken so that is not even an option in some situation due to cliff racers and other broken mechanics.
But non the less Shields shouldnt be nerfed as they dont post a big threat, but instead increase the cost to be in pair with vigor, same way people cant spam vigor as part of their rotation anymore magicka users should not spam unlimited shields as part of their rotation as well instead use them in a more tactical way.Edited by Arkangeloski on July 20, 2017 5:42PM0 -
TimeDazzler✭✭✭✭✭Look at all these butt hurt sorcs not wanting there cheese taken away. I have 5k weapon damage fully buffed with 65% crit and I can't kill a good sorc that's shield spam/stacking with high magicka regen.Also imagine if nightblade ambush could be used without a target, do you know how many players would whine?PC NA
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