I wonder how you can duplicate items though. Items should all be server side and inaccessible.
I wonder how you can duplicate items though. Items should all be server side and inaccessible.
lordrichter wrote: »I wonder how you can duplicate items though. Items should all be server side and inaccessible.
Honestly, until ZOS comes out and says that they have found a duping problem, I am sticking with there not being a duping problem. If there was a duping problem, it might already be fixed.
If there are people in here know absolutely know otherwise, it is because they are familiar with an exploit. They are able to tell ZOS exactly how to dupe the item. Privately. Then ZOS can go fix it.
Will ZOS admit to a duping exploit, if there is one? Who knows. I would like to think they would, since they already commented on the issue. However, ZOS is not known for being over-achieving at communicating. Even if they decide they should probably mention it, before they can do it, they might get ... ooh! donuts!
Dealing with the Issue internally while stating the issue is dealt with or being dealt with.
Dealing with the Issue internally while stating the issue is dealt with or being dealt with.
If you think ZOS is dealing anything internally now, than you're just naive or hopefull. ZOS has been handed out tons of goldselling accounts, botguilds and other stuff, very directly, not only via tickets, also via community manager which said it will be solved and they will give the infos to tech support and soooooooooo on.
Stil tons of known names of goldbuyers, goldsellers and bots...are there...week after week after week after week.
What was hard about tracking the way the gold took from when it got earned by the dupe until it went into a guild bank of a "trading guild"? What is hard about tracking name changes?
This is nothing else than a huge joke and somewhere in the east a russian couple having the best time of their life, fooling not only a huge company but also a lot of players and even the rest of the goldsellers.
Yeah people keep reporting bot trains and goldsellers, but very few of them are actually taken down, and even if they are, theyve already earned enough money to buy a couple of fresh accounts (simply because it takes weeks of intense reports to remve one bot account, and it keeps selling loot every day).
Yeah people keep reporting bot trains and goldsellers, but very few of them are actually taken down, and even if they are, theyve already earned enough money to buy a couple of fresh accounts (simply because it takes weeks of intense reports to remve one bot account, and it keeps selling loot every day).
Also ZOS doesnt remove their earnings. Every new account has access to the earnings of the former accounts.
randomkeyhits wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
ticket 170712-003656
Actual dupe situation experienced after 3.1.0 release on PS4.
No response yet.
LadyNalcarya wrote: »randomkeyhits wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
ticket 170712-003656
Actual dupe situation experienced after 3.1.0 release on PS4.
No response yet.
From a related thread.
So there is a dupe glitch?
LadyNalcarya wrote: »Dealing with the Issue internally while stating the issue is dealt with or being dealt with.
If you think ZOS is dealing anything internally now, than you're just naive or hopefull. ZOS has been handed out tons of goldselling accounts, botguilds and other stuff, very directly, not only via tickets, also via community manager which said it will be solved and they will give the infos to tech support and soooooooooo on.
Stil tons of known names of goldbuyers, goldsellers and bots...are there...week after week after week after week.
What was hard about tracking the way the gold took from when it got earned by the dupe until it went into a guild bank of a "trading guild"? What is hard about tracking name changes?
This is nothing else than a huge joke and somewhere in the east a russian couple having the best time of their life, fooling not only a huge company but also a lot of players and even the rest of the goldsellers.
Yeah people keep reporting bot trains and goldsellers, but very few of them are actually taken down, and even if they are, theyve already earned enough money to buy a couple of fresh accounts (simply because it takes weeks of intense reports to remve one bot account, and it keeps selling loot every day).
DivinityDay wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Dealing with the Issue internally while stating the issue is dealt with or being dealt with.
If you think ZOS is dealing anything internally now, than you're just naive or hopefull. ZOS has been handed out tons of goldselling accounts, botguilds and other stuff, very directly, not only via tickets, also via community manager which said it will be solved and they will give the infos to tech support and soooooooooo on.
Stil tons of known names of goldbuyers, goldsellers and bots...are there...week after week after week after week.
What was hard about tracking the way the gold took from when it got earned by the dupe until it went into a guild bank of a "trading guild"? What is hard about tracking name changes?
This is nothing else than a huge joke and somewhere in the east a russian couple having the best time of their life, fooling not only a huge company but also a lot of players and even the rest of the goldsellers.
Yeah people keep reporting bot trains and goldsellers, but very few of them are actually taken down, and even if they are, theyve already earned enough money to buy a couple of fresh accounts (simply because it takes weeks of intense reports to remve one bot account, and it keeps selling loot every day).
In Black Desert, upon notifying GMs of botters they arrive within the hour in game and get rid of them.
So, what's ZoS' excuse?
There was a significant duping problem right after launch, Zeni acknowledged and addressed it. Of course, there was also a significant bot problem right after launch, and Zeni acknowledged and addressed it. I don't have faith that they'd do either at this point.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
If it is indeed found to be an exploit, can we please get perma bans for the offenders? This 3 day vacation and keeping ill gotten gains is getting old.
Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »
I can only repeat my previous questions, that still has no any answer:
How many bots you need to have to farm hundreds of dusts?
Pretty sure, this will be a big number and here is another question: why such number of bots remained untouched for so long, to allow them farm hundreds of dust?
And, if this were bots, one more question: does this way to obtain ingame items are legal?
If 'Not', then: don't they need to delete all items, that were obtained by illegal ways, unmatter of their current owner?
Just a simple questions and we all must focus only, but not on mindless discussions about bots plague.
This is an interesting question. So let's inject some math into the situation.
From anecdotal evidence, most players seem to have gotten 1-2 dust in the 8 months since it came out. So, we'll say, with ~1 hour of farming / open world stuff per day, one will get one dust every 4 months. Reasonable assumption so far, no? If anything it's conservative, because I doubt most players even farm for one hour a day, and still have those 1-2 dusts.
Bots are capable of running 24/7. So already that's 24x the number of dusts received per 4 month period. So, on average, a bot is getting 24 dusts every 4 months. 10 bots would get ~240 dust per 4 months, but this assumes each of those 10 bots is farming in a diverse area and their farming doesn't impact the rest of the bots.
As you can see, it's very possible for a group of botters / bots to get a LOT of dust over the course of a few months. Now personally, having ESO running 24/7 has to be hell on your machine and your power bill so it's hardly worth it with the prices they're selling it at and the USD value of gold, but hey who knows. Guess bots can run on oldschool machines as long as the game plays.....
One MMO I used to play in the past was prosperous and vibrant. However like an invasive, predatory weed item duplication appeared and took over to the point that even with the dev's efforts to do mass-deletions of items not properly generated by the game, it was all in vain. Eventually it got to the point where they could no longer generate the income required to keep the servers running and staff paid and the plug was eventually pulled, forever.
Ignoring duping once it appears is just like thinking nothing of a rapidly-spreading weed taking over your gardens. Action must be taken, or all will inevitably be lost.
lordrichter wrote: »I wonder how you can duplicate items though. Items should all be server side and inaccessible.
Honestly, until ZOS comes out and says that they have found a duping problem, I am sticking with there not being a duping problem. If there was a duping problem, it might already be fixed.
If there are people in here know absolutely know otherwise, it is because they are familiar with an exploit. They are able to tell ZOS exactly how to dupe the item. Privately. Then ZOS can go fix it.
Will ZOS admit to a duping exploit, if there is one? Who knows. I would like to think they would, since they already commented on the issue. However, ZOS is not known for being over-achieving at communicating. Even if they decide they should probably mention it, before they can do it, they might get ... ooh! donuts!
LadyNalcarya wrote: »There was a significant duping problem right after launch, Zeni acknowledged and addressed it. Of course, there was also a significant bot problem right after launch, and Zeni acknowledged and addressed it. I don't have faith that they'd do either at this point.
At least they posted some updates back then...
Nowadays we only see these threads ignored and bot armies marching. Even if they actually do something, why not to keep us updated? They dont have to name and shame if thats an issue.
Silence is just... Bad. It just discourages honest players and gives a green light to cheaters and exploiters of all kinds. People see these problems being ignored and they're (probably) more likely to buy goods from botters or take advantage of exploits they've stumbled upon.
LadyNalcarya wrote: »randomkeyhits wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
ticket 170712-003656
Actual dupe situation experienced after 3.1.0 release on PS4.
No response yet.
From a related thread.
So there is a dupe glitch?
there is.
randomkeyhits wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »randomkeyhits wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
ticket 170712-003656
Actual dupe situation experienced after 3.1.0 release on PS4.
No response yet.
From a related thread.
So there is a dupe glitch?
there is.
Still waiting for some sort of contact.
Wondering if there is anything else I should be doing, as I'm new to the ESO ticket system.
MLGProPlayer wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »I wonder how you can duplicate items though. Items should all be server side and inaccessible.
Honestly, until ZOS comes out and says that they have found a duping problem, I am sticking with there not being a duping problem. If there was a duping problem, it might already be fixed.
If there are people in here know absolutely know otherwise, it is because they are familiar with an exploit. They are able to tell ZOS exactly how to dupe the item. Privately. Then ZOS can go fix it.
Will ZOS admit to a duping exploit, if there is one? Who knows. I would like to think they would, since they already commented on the issue. However, ZOS is not known for being over-achieving at communicating. Even if they decide they should probably mention it, before they can do it, they might get ... ooh! donuts!
The alternative is that there have been hundreds of bots farming the EU servers non-stop for months (in order to accumulate all this dust). Whatever it is (duping or botting), both are huge failures on the part of the devs,
@Asardes
True, it's back to 60k now. There was a period of about 2 weeks when it was down to 30k though due to the insane supply. As the supply was drained rather quickly we're back to the former state.