RNG improvement suggestion. 10 bad traits covert to 1 good trait

CavalryPK · July 2017

What do you guys think?

Lets say you are running the dungeon for 10 times and you get 10 set pieces with a wrong trait. Now you have the option to take all the set pieces to the crafting station and combine them into 1 set piece with the right trait? With any appropriate cost of gold or some other regend?

@ZOS_RichLambert , @ZOS_GinaBruno

Thanks,

Cpt_Teemo · July 2017

i would guess 50 atleast

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

I like this idea.

I assume it is for the same set & piece. What happens to the enchantment?

Tasear · July 2017

Have you seen pts ? This issue has been somewhat resolved.

CavalryPK · July 2017

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CavalryPK · July 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Have you seen pts ? This issue has been somewhat resolved.

@Tasear ,

ooo. please tell more what PTS? 3.1.1???

CavalryPK · July 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I like this idea.

I assume it is for the same set & piece. What happens to the enchantment?

yeh. for example. I am farming for Amberplasm Chest In impen. And I know the Talos cursed me and I am only getting well fitted and sturdy or anything else but impen. All I need to do is farm Amber Chest Pices from ROM ... once I have 10 (whatever amount is appropriate) Then i can covert it at the crafting station.

I would also be super happy to pay for a Kuta if the enchantment is gone.. I don't care I would rather pay 50k gold then farm the set for hours...

Thanks,

max_only · July 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Have you seen pts ? This issue has been somewhat resolved.

I scoured the PTS notes couldn't find it. Did you mean the way they are making the other traits "not as terrible"?

josiahva · July 2017

Not much use...you have any idea how many item slots you will use up saving 10 BSW swords while waiting to get whatever BiS trait for them is next patch? No thanks, my inventory space is already non-existant

QuebraRegra · July 2017

Hmm, I like this idea of smashing down "junk" loot and using the components to make the loot of choice... "trait cycle" convert 15 pieces of trait gear to a single piece of gear with a select trait.

screw RNG

Mettaricana · July 2017

I would rather they just have a loot system when you ull it off the boss it asks you what trait do you want and when you accept it locks that trait and bam you got gear

CavalryPK · July 2017

Mettaricana wrote: »

I would rather they just have a loot system when you ull it off the boss it asks you what trait do you want and when you accept it locks that trait and bam you got gear

Hehehehehe... that be to easy. I am trying to find a compromise not win with a landslide

Make2k15 · July 2017

That would not work for the obvious reason that your inventory would get polluted with all kinds of the useless set parts for different reasons.

To make your suggestion work in practise:

(1) You would need to be able to convert (e.g. by deconstructing them in crafting station) those set parts to some kind of stackable resource which will go to crafting bag (e.g. tokens or set essences).
(2) Make different token types for different content: 12-man trials tokens, 4-man group dungeons tokens, one man trial tokens.
(3) To convert set piece to your desired trait in crafting station you would now need piece of that set (e.g. sword of willpower) and specified amount of tokens for that set type part (e.g 100 4-man group dungeon tokens for willpower sword).

CavalryPK · July 2017

Make2k15 wrote: »

That would not work for the obvious reason that your inventory would get polluted with all kinds of the useless set parts for different reasons.

To make your suggestion work in practise:

(1) You would need to be able to convert (e.g. by deconstructing them in crafting station) those set parts to some kind of stackable resource which will go to crafting bag (e.g. tokens or set essences).
(2) Make different token types for different content: 12-man trials tokens, 4-man group dungeons tokens, one man trial tokens.
(3) To convert set piece to your desired trait in crafting station you would now need piece of that set (e.g. sword of willpower) and specified amount of tokens for that set type part (e.g 100 4-man group dungeon tokens for willpower sword).

I like this idea. specifically with #1.

SilverWF · July 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

What do you guys think?

Lets say you are running the dungeon for 10 times and you get 10 set pieces with a wrong trait. Now you have the option to take all the set pieces to the crafting station and combine them into 1 set piece with the right trait? With any appropriate cost of gold or some other regend?

@ZOS_RichLambert , @ZOS_GinaBruno

Thanks,

Too easy and never happens

I would be happy to actually choose a reward - not on my desire, but at least from 4-5 different items.

CavalryPK · July 2017

Remember one of the zosers said that random loot will be fun and interesting? I am failing to understand that comment.

Balsagna · July 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

i would guess 50 atleast

50? No thanks. If I get 50 bows without one of them being in the trait I want I am gonna quit well before I trade them in for the one I want

Chadak · July 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

Remember one of the zosers said that random loot will be fun and interesting? I am failing to understand that comment.

I bet they didn't say who it would be fun and interesting for though, did they?

Because being a GM watching all the moffets try and try and fail and lament could be fun and interesting for some.

Not for we moffets, of course.

But that probably isn't relevant.

Bakkagami · July 2017

Not bad, would let me convert my 10 sharp maelstrom mauls into a decisive.

Bakkagami · July 2017

max_only wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Have you seen pts ? This issue has been somewhat resolved.

I scoured the PTS notes couldn't find it. Did you mean the way they are making the other traits "not as terrible"?

With the new changes to traits sharpened, infused, nirnhoned, and precise will have near the same damage output with group composition and your build having more of an influence one which is best from a min-max perspective. Decisive, defending(not so much), training, powered are all niche traits and have their use.

CavalryPK · July 2017

@Bakkagami wrote: »

Not bad, would let me convert my 10 sharp maelstrom mauls into a decisive.

please gimme some of the RNG blessing.

CavalryPK · July 2017

Bakkagami wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Have you seen pts ? This issue has been somewhat resolved.

I scoured the PTS notes couldn't find it. Did you mean the way they are making the other traits "not as terrible"?

With the new changes to traits sharpened, infused, nirnhoned, and precise will have near the same damage output with group composition and your build having more of an influence one which is best from a min-max perspective. Decisive, defending(not so much), training, powered are all niche traits and have their use.

I was talking about amour and weapon traits.

Apherius · July 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

i would guess 50 atleast

nha , 5000 or 5001.

acw37162 · July 2017

Ten inventory spots are worth quite a bit more then this.

Especially if you have to hold a bunch of crap in your inventory until you get ten of them

Bakkagami · July 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

Bakkagami wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Have you seen pts ? This issue has been somewhat resolved.

I scoured the PTS notes couldn't find it. Did you mean the way they are making the other traits "not as terrible"?

With the new changes to traits sharpened, infused, nirnhoned, and precise will have near the same damage output with group composition and your build having more of an influence one which is best from a min-max perspective. Decisive, defending(not so much), training, powered are all niche traits and have their use.

I was talking about amour and weapon traits.

Oh ok. I never really thought armor traits were too bad. each trait has its use in certain situations. Even prosperous had its use, though most people overlook it, and there were better changes that could have been made while keeping it non-combat related. The only one i found redundant is nirn because it doesn't give enough of a benefit over reinforced to be such a rare trait stone. it should do something else entirely imo.

As far as general rng goes, i never found it too bad mainly because I'm of the opinion it SHOULD be hard to min-max. The endless rng grind most people go about are just because a) their favorite streamer said to use all divines/impen or whatever or b) they are actually min-maxers for end game content. The former get the grind because they can't think outside the box, and the latter should understand that in any mmo, if u want to min-max you will inevitably have to do a good bit of grinding.

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

Waits until build guides drop recommending everyone go back to crafted for BiS.........

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Waits until build guides drop recommending everyone go back to crafted for BiS.........

Seriously, though U15 is looking like 5 piece Julianos/Hundings/Seducers(healers)/Kags + Monster set + 4 pc dropped set including jewellry dependent on build. Every build will have a totally different recommendation on dropped.

Edit: oops, hit quote there instead of edit. Sorry 'bout that.

CavalryPK · July 2017

Bakkagami wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Bakkagami wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Have you seen pts ? This issue has been somewhat resolved.

I scoured the PTS notes couldn't find it. Did you mean the way they are making the other traits "not as terrible"?

With the new changes to traits sharpened, infused, nirnhoned, and precise will have near the same damage output with group composition and your build having more of an influence one which is best from a min-max perspective. Decisive, defending(not so much), training, powered are all niche traits and have their use.

I was talking about amour and weapon traits.

Oh ok. I never really thought armor traits were too bad. each trait has its use in certain situations. Even prosperous had its use, though most people overlook it, and there were better changes that could have been made while keeping it non-combat related. The only one i found redundant is nirn because it doesn't give enough of a benefit over reinforced to be such a rare trait stone. it should do something else entirely imo.

As far as general rng goes, i never found it too bad mainly because I'm of the opinion it SHOULD be hard to min-max. The endless rng grind most people go about are just because a) their favorite streamer said to use all divines/impen or whatever or b) they are actually min-maxers for end game content. The former get the grind because they can't think outside the box, and the latter should understand that in any mmo, if u want to min-max you will inevitably have to do a good bit of grinding.

Yeh agree with you but i am 100% i need impen for pvp. Aaand i cant take my infused and divine pieces because i get destroyed. I am over 100 runs now... no luck

Bakkagami · July 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

Bakkagami wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Bakkagami wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Have you seen pts ? This issue has been somewhat resolved.

I scoured the PTS notes couldn't find it. Did you mean the way they are making the other traits "not as terrible"?

With the new changes to traits sharpened, infused, nirnhoned, and precise will have near the same damage output with group composition and your build having more of an influence one which is best from a min-max perspective. Decisive, defending(not so much), training, powered are all niche traits and have their use.

I was talking about amour and weapon traits.

Oh ok. I never really thought armor traits were too bad. each trait has its use in certain situations. Even prosperous had its use, though most people overlook it, and there were better changes that could have been made while keeping it non-combat related. The only one i found redundant is nirn because it doesn't give enough of a benefit over reinforced to be such a rare trait stone. it should do something else entirely imo.

As far as general rng goes, i never found it too bad mainly because I'm of the opinion it SHOULD be hard to min-max. The endless rng grind most people go about are just because a) their favorite streamer said to use all divines/impen or whatever or b) they are actually min-maxers for end game content. The former get the grind because they can't think outside the box, and the latter should understand that in any mmo, if u want to min-max you will inevitably have to do a good bit of grinding.

Yeh agree with you but i am 100% i need impen for pvp. Aaand i cant take my infused and divine pieces because i get destroyed. I am over 100 runs now... no luck

Yea thats the only thing that's pretty much necessary, and that's mostly because of crit meta. Impregnable helps a bit with not having to run impen but you'd miss out on another, potentially, more specialised 5 piece. CP is also another good way to get crit resist but if you run in no cp you're out of luck. Wish I could say it might get better but with HOTR the crit meta is just getting reinforced, crit percentage across the board will get higher.