Barbardin wrote: »

Really, ZOS, you should nerf those sorc, which are using shileds 24/7, it's just impossible to cut through it, also you can't crit on shield! Those shields make sorc class extremely tanky and they also hit like trucks!

If you cant kill a sorc then your playing your class wrong

Militan1404 wrote: »

lrizo wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

lrizo wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

lrizo wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

lrizo wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

The only reson all this cry about procblades nothing about sorc lately is becouse evryone is a fricking sorc and they cant stand thought of they are not on the top on the food chain anymore. With out proc set nightblades are back at the bottom with the rest of classes. Becouse its balance to have a class that has it all the burst to a nightblade and almost the tankines to a dk and if thats not enough they have one of the best execute to, and if things go wrong they just streak their way into oblivion.. and none of the other classes is even close to do all that, but thats balance right. And its not only pvp, zone chat is full of people that want sorc only sorcs and maybe 1 or 2 mag dk as dps with them in trials. And if someone complain about it a sorc apears and say "Are u stupid, u just put points into that and use that and so and so" awesome! What other class do have change ur entire bouild just to beat? And about that time another super geek apear and say "omg learn to play" or "adapt and overcome" its like a Lamborghini raceing a old Volvo and then brag about skills. But dont worry zenimax probely dont even dare to nerf them anyway after all the cry and people quiting about the sustain nerfs, if u think that was bad can u imagine 99% of the player base cry and rage quiting while the smashing their keyboard.

You are dumb!!

pve and pvp are completely different game styles mate. In pvp there are maybe 10 other builds for every one mag sorc. If you can't burst a sorc you suck and if you get bursted by a sorc with 1 rotation you also suck. Stop complaining.

And are smart then i assume, but i have no problem with killing at all sorcs at all. The problem is that they have better tools that makes their job much easier, i use normaly my stam dk in pvp but when i use my sorc i can it all so much easier and faster and i dont even leveld all my passives on it yet. And u gonna tell me i suck becouse im talking bad about ur class, maybe u are the one that suck that is so afraid that ur class is gonna get balanced so u actually have to more then spam a few buttons and hope for the best.

Mate when I have to sit here on the forums and do an FBI investigation to decrypt your *** literacy, that makes you dumb. And I do think you suck because the only players that come on the forums to add to "why so and so" needs to be nerfed is because a) they're getting piped or b) they can't pipe. It's called I've played the game long enough to know what other classes tendencies are. If your gonna fight a sorc the same way you do a stamblade your gonna get piped mate. When you look at top players for each class and I'm not talking about meta *** I'm talking about raw skill the sorcs are very balanced. A sorcs burst is very easy to read. If you don't like taking a shard to face on your Stam dk then use your Stam to block/dodge roll that ish.

Like i said i have no problem fighting sorc and if u need and a FBI investegation to undersatnd the point then im sorry about i couldnt make my point out good enough. I do not write here becouse im getting killed by sorcs all day long, my problem is that i have 12 characters and 2 magsorc 1 for pve and 1 one for pvp, and when i play my sorc i can reach my goal so much easier and its so much more forgiving then any of the other classes. I should probely sate that lately i been playing in no cp and there is where the gap really shows. I coldnt my self understand the hate on sorcs before i played one my self it, it just feels like easy mode, and it is so much easier to expose bad player on the other classes. Maybe the problem is that sorc is so perfectly balanced and the skills work so good together, where the other classes is missing on some parts that are the problem. U also state that i want all the classes to be the same, but thats not the case, i love the idea that all classes plays to their strengths, but what is a sorcerers strength? Is it their high burst? or their ways to survive? They have mobility, good cc, the gift of escape if it gets to hot, they even have a decent heal. And u say they are not that many, on ps4 eu they are atleast, if u are lucky to get a nightblade or a sorc in bounty quest u can get to 20 in 5min, try that with a templar or a dk. Btw sorry if my spelling is not the best, englishis not my mother language, and my spelling correct isnt doing me any favors:p

I have no idea what non cp camp you're playing in but that is the most balanced type of play that is in the game mate. The only thing overperforming in non cp are proc sets. Anywho, I still laugh at the whole "easy mode, hard mode" *** that gets tossed around. The top players of any class will kill any other class regardless of "easy mode, hard mode" it's called reading the game and timing all your juju properly. I, not once, have mentioned that you want all classes to be the same. But anyway you can ask the same questions for any class out there. Templars have great burst with jabs, insane heals, and can purify. Nightblades arguably the highest dps class in the game, control tempo of fight, vigor/rally allow for great sustain. The list goes on and on mate. But here's where you're wrong about sorcs, mobility? That's a joke no class is mobile due to snares and gap closers. Great cc? You mean frag and streak which are blockable? What a joke... great escape? Yeah every class has a great escape except streak gets costly after 3 in a row. Lastly, here on the American servers we do things a bit differently, so you're comparing apples to oranges here mate. And wasn't it last post you said that the top 9 players in each camp were mag dk's?? I mean I'm no super wizard but that doesn't sound like sorcs are the new meta

Dont remembet posted anything about mag dk but? I get it trying to protect a class, i said i didnt have a problem killing sorcs to if u actually read what i wrote. My problem is that why should be anything else when i can get what i want so much easier with the sorc? Nightblade i do great damage but not much room for mistake, templars cant say i have ever felt their great burst but ur right about their heals, dk have great survability but takes time to build proper dps, but why should i sacrifice any og that? When i play a sorc i can be both tanky and do great damage and have no problem keeping my heals up. So way should anyone sacrifice any of that to play another class? I find it hard to belive that im just a natural talent playing a sorc that it makes it feel so easy.

Wrong thread my bad mate, too busy trying to protect a class from getting nerfed off the face of the earth. I should be more cautious next time. Anywho, the main problem is that players don't know how to fight against sorcs, instead of learning how to, they come on the forums and complain for a nerf, and I know this doesn't apply to you because I guess your just some almighty sorc slayer. But that's the point if you don't struggle against sorcs what in the hell are you doing on the forums calling for a nerf? Because you feel that it's "easy mode"? How dumb mate. Some of the worst players in the game are *** sorcs. You think sorc is easy mode for them? But let's get back to you; why should anyone sacrifice all this "great burst and sustain" to play another class? Well seems like your doing just that, and you know what else mate? You're doin just fine.

Haha np:p Tell me this forum master, what would you change about sorcs? What specifically would you nerf? And finally tell me how this nerf would balance the game out?

so u basically saying zos should nerf a class after what i am having problem killing?
Im agree that sorcs have some of the worst players in the game but should zos nerf the after how good the players playing the class or how the class is preforming? Dont get me wrong i dont wont them nerf to the ground at all, and want all classes to viable. I just think in my opinion(and not fact) that it is over preforming at some parts and not by much, it could also be that the sorcs actually are only class is that are perfectly balanced right now and some of the others are under-preforming at some parts. and think u are makeing some good points to. And knowing zos a nerf is probely not the right thing either, could do more harm than good. So i dont know..

Let's put it this way mate, sorcs are at a state in the game where literally any nerf to the class ITSELF would hurt it bad. For instance, the meta for a sorc is to run somewhere around 40k+ magicka, the only reason this is achievable is because there are armor sets that can allow this, so wouldn't it make sense that instead of nerfing shields, because shields scale off max mag, why not nerf armor sets? An even better example is proc blades, the meta is to run proc sets to achieve high high damage, the class doesn't need a nerf, because it would kill the class, the *** proc sets do. All in all mate, no CLASS needs a nerf right now, they're all balanced in terms of how abilities scale off stats and what not. However, the main imbalances come from sets, poisons, cp... etc.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

What are you playing, Thankyou?

A sorc will 100% go when outnumbered, as shields don't scale and the burst is very predictable. Can even purge Curse.

If you're in a group fight, snare and gapclose, just don't let him re-position. He WILL die.

I run 5 riposte/5 spinner/2 bloodspawn or skoria on a magicka nightblade. Before you say spinners is the problem I've also ran war maiden and decided that it didn't really change all that much. Its to the point now if I'm going to duel a sorc we have to agree to no annulment no resto ulti. Shieldsare that bag of the sorc is fighting back But alot of times the prioritize keeping a shield up instead of trying to be aggressive. Magblades are kind of guilty of this too but once a magblade is on the defensive like that it's only a matter of time before he's dead.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Really? My magblade plays sooo much easier!

Magicka Flood for free 8% max mag. Shade for Minor Maim and that sweet Necropotence buff. Together, my Magblade has a WAY stronger shield than my sorc. And I only need that single one.

Cloak lets me survive zerg encounters. It is much, MUCH better than Streak to escape. Being pulled out of it 50% of the time is still better than being gapclosed and killed 100% while stuck in midair and steak animation.

My Magblade's burst is GUARANTEED. Yes, I'm missing the telegraphed, purgable Curse, but an empowered Assassin's Will makes the total damage close. And while I'm sweating my bum off on my sorc to land that burst while every frag is dodged if I don't use the abyssmal Streak CC, my magblade only has to press one button to fear. Guaranteed burst. Sometimes isn't broken free immediately. Also applies a snare. And Minor Maim. And Shadow Barrier free 5k resistance, because WHY NOT?

I enjoy my sorc more, but boi... Claiming magblade would not be on par with magsorc and be more difficult to play is just sooo wrong.

In a sorc vs mag nb match up, the nb is 2 times better off with tons of additional buffs and debuffs, as well as generally higher stats and sustain. I'm seriously considering switching more to the NB nowadays as well.

Nooo! Cyrodiil has enough NBs already! And I want moar of your vids!
D'x

I think the misunderstanding of sorcs comes from the way Cyrodiil plays out and how sorcs choose to engage there.

Crappy CCs don't matter much when in a group fight NBs keep fearing or you simply don't see the purple glow. This circumvents the sorc burst's disadvantage often enough.

Stacking shields 100% just to survive - and only survive - is also a powerful move when you know reinforcements are coming.

Said points just happen to be irrelevant in duels or when you're outnumbered. People forget that.

But yeah, my sorc is super jealous of the NB passives and Fear. While I can perform well if I pick group fights on my sorc, I would give the edge for flexibility to my NB because of those two alone. Throw in Cloak and my NB might not be killing as much in group fights, but also dies less.

Cyrodill could use some more magblades over the last two days i think I've seen probably 4 magblades, and i haven't seen a single assasins will in my death recap. Almost everyone on xbox na is a magsorc or a stamina nightblade but mostly mag sorc because of how good they are in group play. I never see any magblades or stamplars. Magblade are just too difficult for most people to play its no reason to play a magblade if you could play a magsorc and have a easier time. Magblade isn't bad though it's really good it just requires alot of micromanagement and has alot of counters. I really do want to see more magblades in cyrodill

Oh, we have tremendous amounts of NBs here in the EU, judging from my d-pot consumption. That must have tripled or so since last patch.

I guess I see more stamblades, indeed. But I think that's because stamblade is way easier to play than magblade and magsorc. I mean, come on, procs do the burst, dodge negates any burst on you. It's really not that difficult, as people claim.

And I still consider my magblade easier to play than my sorc. Maybe I'm alone here, but having that guaranteed burst with Fear is HUGE! Don't have to worry about enemy position for Streak CC, don't have to sweat against block builds, don't have to slowly turn around after Streak with console's pathetic aim speed. IMO, it's easy mode and super relaxing.

Yea i think you may be in the minority with this one. Magblade just doesn't take kindly to mistakes. Its just too hard to recover once you been put on the defensive. There is alot of stamblades on NA as well but most players are magsorcs i just died and when i respawned about 5 curses went off lol. Magsorc is just built the best for Cyrodill. I think shields are a big part of that if you get into trouble you can just shield up and then streak back toward friendlies. The other classes are punished alot more for being out of position.

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KingJ wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Barbardin wrote: »

Really, ZOS, you should nerf those sorc, which are using shileds 24/7, it's just impossible to cut through it, also you can't crit on shield! Those shields make sorc class extremely tanky and they also hit like trucks!

If you cant kill a sorc then your playing your class wrong

You you let 1 person kill you as a sorc your playing the class wrong.

Lol yea really if you are a sorc and it's just one person you will basically never die if you build enough regen and enough potions stacked and use the resto ultimate.

Pretty much if you know what your doing as a sorc and build right you won't kill them solo without procs. Then they solo kite a tree with mines and just *** me off.Curse,drop mines shield ,shield,Curse maybe a frag or crushing shock.Mine stack shields again way for me to kill sorcs like that without viper Selene is to bait them for a little bit before hand get low to force them,into a class sense of security and just drop them.

Without proc sets your gonna see more people complaining about sorc shields because of a sorc doesn't want to die solo he won't die.They won't have the Damage to break shields.Proc sets a issue but to say shields are fine as is is laughable.

Derra wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I run 5 riposte/5 spinner/2 bloodspawn or skoria on a magicka nightblade. Before you say spinners is the problem I've also ran war maiden and decided that it didn't really change all that much. Its to the point now if I'm going to duel a sorc we have to agree to no annulment no resto ulti. Shieldsare that bag of the sorc is fighting back But alot of times the prioritize keeping a shield up instead of trying to be aggressive. Magblades are kind of guilty of this too but once a magblade is on the defensive like that it's only a matter of time before he's dead.

Ok. Well.
You´re running a super defensive setup, that´s also bad against shields. Would you mind telling which skills you´re using aswell? There are quite a bit of option on magblade compared to sorcs

A magblade (contrary to a sorc) can work with only healing ward because they have access to exessive passive and semipassive healing.
Which also kinda means that offense is defense for magblade by design. I haven´t seen a "defensive" magblade so far.

All cheap defensive ultimates break the concept of 1v1 encounters. You can´t kill players playing defensive with defensive low cost ultimates.

In a fight with no restoult no harness/dampen i´d put all my money on the magblade. Much better toolkit.

I wouldn't really call my set up defensive the damage is actually really high with skoria and it doesn't matter if i run war maiden/julianos or spinners my spammable dps as a magblade is poor. The only chance i have at winning is hitting the sorc with a soul tether as his shields expire and combine it with an assasins will, or pressure their stam pool with CCs. Most sorcs run amberplasm though so that second one can be out the question. The reason magblades can run only healing ward is because they build defensively to not be one shot. A glass cannon nightblade will still need to run dampen. 1v1 i also would put my money on the magblade but i would put my money on the fight ending in a draw first. I do in fact win most of my fights against sorcs honestly i only lost to one sorc this patch but i usually win all my fights against all classes, but sorcs are by far the most ridiculous to fight especially if they really aren't fighting back. I also get the most hate mail from sorcs telling me i don't do any dps when really it's them who are just standing in one spot cycling shields while my dots keep their magicka pool full because of harness magicka

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Really? My magblade plays sooo much easier!

Magicka Flood for free 8% max mag. Shade for Minor Maim and that sweet Necropotence buff. Together, my Magblade has a WAY stronger shield than my sorc. And I only need that single one.

Cloak lets me survive zerg encounters. It is much, MUCH better than Streak to escape. Being pulled out of it 50% of the time is still better than being gapclosed and killed 100% while stuck in midair and steak animation.

My Magblade's burst is GUARANTEED. Yes, I'm missing the telegraphed, purgable Curse, but an empowered Assassin's Will makes the total damage close. And while I'm sweating my bum off on my sorc to land that burst while every frag is dodged if I don't use the abyssmal Streak CC, my magblade only has to press one button to fear. Guaranteed burst. Sometimes isn't broken free immediately. Also applies a snare. And Minor Maim. And Shadow Barrier free 5k resistance, because WHY NOT?

I enjoy my sorc more, but boi... Claiming magblade would not be on par with magsorc and be more difficult to play is just sooo wrong.

In a sorc vs mag nb match up, the nb is 2 times better off with tons of additional buffs and debuffs, as well as generally higher stats and sustain. I'm seriously considering switching more to the NB nowadays as well.

Mage please... Manablades (or nightblades in general) need to do 5 light attacks in 20 seconds and align that skill with an ultimate to get some dangerous burst (which is channeled, means that it can't be animation cancelled, it's dodgeable and blockable), how can you even compare to this to sorc who can just align burst with every curse (while curse ignores all defenses)? On sorc you basically need to be careful to not burst your opponent by accident nowadays. Yes, manablades can be strong (especially in duels) but that's mostly because they can trigger lolpotence so easily with their shade. Otherwise I don't see any reason how magsorc should not be better than manablade, especially with the fragment mechanic, which allows you to proc this crap 10 times in a row which results in ridiculous high pressure spikes, relentless focus can't do that.

Magsorcs right now is insanely strong and I'm getting totally annoyed by magsorc players who deny that. High burst (which has one of the lowest cooldowns as well), high mobility, a lot AoE, tanky as hell, a lot group utility and also super strong in duels, just WTF... In PvE they are top tier too as far as I've heard.
Stamina has to play stupid full tank builds right now (normal heavy armor is not enough, you really need to go for defensive sets and stack the hell out of your defense), which are only viable in duels anyways, to be able to compete with magicka sorcs (or magicka in general) and once a sorc goes for a duel build, well... *** gets serious then. On medium armor you are just totally *** in this meta (maybe with proc sets you can make it work, but you know very well that I run crafted only builds for duels on my nightblade and that I'm not abusing this proc nonsense... and sorc can just proc the same with Skoria, overwhelming surge etc) and you know this very well since basically everyone in medium armor quitted the dueling spot (Jo, Fen, Floriel, Decimus and me for example). Not gonna start talking about that last tourney, there literally all medium armor builds got killed in the first round.

It's just not enjoyable with all this spammable strong shields. Next patch every magicka class can just slot lolpotence and kekrend and get the 4k magicka with almost perma uptime on top of a strong pet that pulls me out of cloak for no reason and applies minor main on me (I can spam 30k shields with that nonsense, my vigor with alchemist buffed has a 13k tooltip which get reduced by defile, nice balance). It just doesn't feel right that you can die to everything while wearing medium armor while magicka just sits there and spams heals or shields and have immunity against everything that isn't high burst. I don't mind giving magicka better options for open world and 1vX but ***, that shield mechanic is so ridiculous in 1v1 fights, people can't be serious when they demand buffs for shields. Oh and the medium armor player dies to the first Soul Strike, but the ultimate is totally fine according to magicka players.


I seriously see how magicka players justify something like THIS because there is a *** oblivion enchant in this game lol. I hope everyone enjoys fighting shieldstack vs shieldstack. *** this, I just wish I would have played sorc since release instead of stamina.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Really? My magblade plays sooo much easier!

Magicka Flood for free 8% max mag. Shade for Minor Maim and that sweet Necropotence buff. Together, my Magblade has a WAY stronger shield than my sorc. And I only need that single one.

Cloak lets me survive zerg encounters. It is much, MUCH better than Streak to escape. Being pulled out of it 50% of the time is still better than being gapclosed and killed 100% while stuck in midair and steak animation.

My Magblade's burst is GUARANTEED. Yes, I'm missing the telegraphed, purgable Curse, but an empowered Assassin's Will makes the total damage close. And while I'm sweating my bum off on my sorc to land that burst while every frag is dodged if I don't use the abyssmal Streak CC, my magblade only has to press one button to fear. Guaranteed burst. Sometimes isn't broken free immediately. Also applies a snare. And Minor Maim. And Shadow Barrier free 5k resistance, because WHY NOT?

I enjoy my sorc more, but boi... Claiming magblade would not be on par with magsorc and be more difficult to play is just sooo wrong.

In a sorc vs mag nb match up, the nb is 2 times better off with tons of additional buffs and debuffs, as well as generally higher stats and sustain. I'm seriously considering switching more to the NB nowadays as well.

Mage please... Manablades (or nightblades in general) need to do 5 light attacks in 20 seconds and align that skill with an ultimate to get some dangerous burst (which is channeled, means that it can't be animation cancelled, it's dodgeable and blockable), how can you even compare to this to sorc who can just align burst with every curse (while curse ignores all defenses)? On sorc you basically need to be careful to not burst your opponent by accident nowadays. Yes, manablades can be strong (especially in duels) but that's mostly because they can trigger lolpotence so easily with their shade. Otherwise I don't see any reason how magsorc should not be better than manablade, especially with the fragment mechanic, which allows you to proc this crap 10 times in a row which results in ridiculous high pressure spikes, relentless focus can't do that.

Magsorcs right now is insanely strong and I'm getting totally annoyed by magsorc players who deny that. High burst (which has one of the lowest cooldowns as well), high mobility, a lot AoE, tanky as hell, a lot group utility and also super strong in duels, just WTF... In PvE they are top tier too as far as I've heard.
Stamina has to play stupid full tank builds right now (normal heavy armor is not enough, you really need to go for defensive sets and stack the hell out of your defense), which are only viable in duels anyways, to be able to compete with magicka sorcs (or magicka in general) and once a sorc goes for a duel build, well... *** gets serious then. On medium armor you are just totally *** in this meta (maybe with proc sets you can make it work, but you know very well that I run crafted only builds for duels on my nightblade and that I'm not abusing this proc nonsense... and sorc can just proc the same with Skoria, overwhelming surge etc) and you know this very well since basically everyone in medium armor quitted the dueling spot (Jo, Fen, Floriel, Decimus and me for example). Not gonna start talking about that last tourney, there literally all medium armor builds got killed in the first round.

It's just not enjoyable with all this spammable strong shields. Next patch every magicka class can just slot lolpotence and kekrend and get the 4k magicka with almost perma uptime on top of a strong pet that pulls me out of cloak for no reason and applies minor main on me (I can spam 30k shields with that nonsense, my vigor with alchemist buffed has a 13k tooltip which get reduced by defile, nice balance). It just doesn't feel right that you can die to everything while wearing medium armor while magicka just sits there and spams heals or shields and have immunity against everything that isn't high burst. I don't mind giving magicka better options for open world and 1vX but ***, that shield mechanic is so ridiculous in 1v1 fights, people can't be serious when they demand buffs for shields. Oh and the medium armor player dies to the first Soul Strike, but the ultimate is totally fine according to magicka players.


I seriously see how magicka players justify something like THIS because there is a *** oblivion enchant in this game lol. I hope everyone enjoys fighting shieldstack vs shieldstack. *** this, I just wish I would have played sorc since release instead of stamina.

Those stats look terrible. Health too low, stam too low, Stan regen too low. That is the very build that gets killed by pressuring stamina, or in the next patch, 8 seconds of infused oblivion.

Also, which ulti aids sorc burst that magblade can't use?

And let me guess.. Console player? If not, how do you get hit by so many frags?

I'm still trying to figure out how to get all this in one build on a sorc..:


High burst (which has one of the lowest cooldowns as well), high mobility, a lot AoE, tanky as hell, a lot group utility and also super strong in duels

Honestly, once the new oblivion meta bites, those who switch classes to follow the percieved meta won't be playing sorc for long.

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Derra wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I run 5 riposte/5 spinner/2 bloodspawn or skoria on a magicka nightblade. Before you say spinners is the problem I've also ran war maiden and decided that it didn't really change all that much. Its to the point now if I'm going to duel a sorc we have to agree to no annulment no resto ulti. Shieldsare that bag of the sorc is fighting back But alot of times the prioritize keeping a shield up instead of trying to be aggressive. Magblades are kind of guilty of this too but once a magblade is on the defensive like that it's only a matter of time before he's dead.

Ok. Well.
You´re running a super defensive setup, that´s also bad against shields. Would you mind telling which skills you´re using aswell? There are quite a bit of option on magblade compared to sorcs

A magblade (contrary to a sorc) can work with only healing ward because they have access to exessive passive and semipassive healing.
Which also kinda means that offense is defense for magblade by design. I haven´t seen a "defensive" magblade so far.

All cheap defensive ultimates break the concept of 1v1 encounters. You can´t kill players playing defensive with defensive low cost ultimates.

In a fight with no restoult no harness/dampen i´d put all my money on the magblade. Much better toolkit.

I wouldn't really call my set up defensive the damage is actually really high with skoria and it doesn't matter if i run war maiden/julianos or spinners my spammable dps as a magblade is poor. The only chance i have at winning is hitting the sorc with a soul tether as his shields expire and combine it with an assasins will, or pressure their stam pool with CCs. Most sorcs run amberplasm though so that second one can be out the question. The reason magblades can run only healing ward is because they build defensively to not be one shot. A glass cannon nightblade will still need to run dampen. 1v1 i also would put my money on the magblade but i would put my money on the fight ending in a draw first. I do in fact win most of my fights against sorcs honestly i only lost to one sorc this patch but i usually win all my fights against all classes, but sorcs are by far the most ridiculous to fight especially if they really aren't fighting back. I also get the most hate mail from sorcs telling me i don't do any dps when really it's them who are just standing in one spot cycling shields while my dots keep their magicka pool full because of harness magicka

2 skoria/infernal 5 necro/warmaiden (front) 5 spc (back) is what i´d call and offensive setup on magblade. But i guess that´s not really relevant.

Yeah sorcs can draw any magica class with shieldstacking 1v1. There is just no way to break hardened + harness on a decent magica pool. They won´t run out ever.
I´ve posted countless times i think shieldstacking shouldn´t exist. Harness should overwrite hardened and vice versa.

But if you remove harness from sorcs it´s imo all in favor of the magblade. They shouldn´t loose against sorcs unless some critical buff ran out.

Personally i never found tether to be as threatening as soulassault (and i´m saying that on sorc). You can´t outshield entropy + cripple + x + skoria with a CC into soulassault given the NB packs enough dmg.

Biro123 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Really? My magblade plays sooo much easier!

Magicka Flood for free 8% max mag. Shade for Minor Maim and that sweet Necropotence buff. Together, my Magblade has a WAY stronger shield than my sorc. And I only need that single one.

Cloak lets me survive zerg encounters. It is much, MUCH better than Streak to escape. Being pulled out of it 50% of the time is still better than being gapclosed and killed 100% while stuck in midair and steak animation.

My Magblade's burst is GUARANTEED. Yes, I'm missing the telegraphed, purgable Curse, but an empowered Assassin's Will makes the total damage close. And while I'm sweating my bum off on my sorc to land that burst while every frag is dodged if I don't use the abyssmal Streak CC, my magblade only has to press one button to fear. Guaranteed burst. Sometimes isn't broken free immediately. Also applies a snare. And Minor Maim. And Shadow Barrier free 5k resistance, because WHY NOT?

I enjoy my sorc more, but boi... Claiming magblade would not be on par with magsorc and be more difficult to play is just sooo wrong.

In a sorc vs mag nb match up, the nb is 2 times better off with tons of additional buffs and debuffs, as well as generally higher stats and sustain. I'm seriously considering switching more to the NB nowadays as well.

Mage please... Manablades (or nightblades in general) need to do 5 light attacks in 20 seconds and align that skill with an ultimate to get some dangerous burst (which is channeled, means that it can't be animation cancelled, it's dodgeable and blockable), how can you even compare to this to sorc who can just align burst with every curse (while curse ignores all defenses)? On sorc you basically need to be careful to not burst your opponent by accident nowadays. Yes, manablades can be strong (especially in duels) but that's mostly because they can trigger lolpotence so easily with their shade. Otherwise I don't see any reason how magsorc should not be better than manablade, especially with the fragment mechanic, which allows you to proc this crap 10 times in a row which results in ridiculous high pressure spikes, relentless focus can't do that.

Magsorcs right now is insanely strong and I'm getting totally annoyed by magsorc players who deny that. High burst (which has one of the lowest cooldowns as well), high mobility, a lot AoE, tanky as hell, a lot group utility and also super strong in duels, just WTF... In PvE they are top tier too as far as I've heard.
Stamina has to play stupid full tank builds right now (normal heavy armor is not enough, you really need to go for defensive sets and stack the hell out of your defense), which are only viable in duels anyways, to be able to compete with magicka sorcs (or magicka in general) and once a sorc goes for a duel build, well... *** gets serious then. On medium armor you are just totally *** in this meta (maybe with proc sets you can make it work, but you know very well that I run crafted only builds for duels on my nightblade and that I'm not abusing this proc nonsense... and sorc can just proc the same with Skoria, overwhelming surge etc) and you know this very well since basically everyone in medium armor quitted the dueling spot (Jo, Fen, Floriel, Decimus and me for example). Not gonna start talking about that last tourney, there literally all medium armor builds got killed in the first round.

It's just not enjoyable with all this spammable strong shields. Next patch every magicka class can just slot lolpotence and kekrend and get the 4k magicka with almost perma uptime on top of a strong pet that pulls me out of cloak for no reason and applies minor main on me (I can spam 30k shields with that nonsense, my vigor with alchemist buffed has a 13k tooltip which get reduced by defile, nice balance). It just doesn't feel right that you can die to everything while wearing medium armor while magicka just sits there and spams heals or shields and have immunity against everything that isn't high burst. I don't mind giving magicka better options for open world and 1vX but ***, that shield mechanic is so ridiculous in 1v1 fights, people can't be serious when they demand buffs for shields. Oh and the medium armor player dies to the first Soul Strike, but the ultimate is totally fine according to magicka players.


I seriously see how magicka players justify something like THIS because there is a *** oblivion enchant in this game lol. I hope everyone enjoys fighting shieldstack vs shieldstack. *** this, I just wish I would have played sorc since release instead of stamina.

Those stats look terrible. Health too low, stam too low, Stan regen too low. That is the very build that gets killed by pressuring stamina, or in the next patch, 8 seconds of infused oblivion.

Also, which ulti aids sorc burst that magblade can't use?

And let me guess.. Console player? If not, how do you get hit by so many frags?

I'm still trying to figure out how to get all this in one build on a sorc..:


High burst (which has one of the lowest cooldowns as well), high mobility, a lot AoE, tanky as hell, a lot group utility and also super strong in duels

Honestly, once the new oblivion meta bites, those who switch classes to follow the percieved meta won't be playing sorc for long.

That´s the issue.

You can´t get everything into one build but you can build very niche successful builds with sorcs.

@Ragnaroek93 you know very well that build you posted has no grouputility nor open world vaiability whatsoever - because if it did people´d run it (hint: they don´t).

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Really? My magblade plays sooo much easier!

Magicka Flood for free 8% max mag. Shade for Minor Maim and that sweet Necropotence buff. Together, my Magblade has a WAY stronger shield than my sorc. And I only need that single one.

Cloak lets me survive zerg encounters. It is much, MUCH better than Streak to escape. Being pulled out of it 50% of the time is still better than being gapclosed and killed 100% while stuck in midair and steak animation.

My Magblade's burst is GUARANTEED. Yes, I'm missing the telegraphed, purgable Curse, but an empowered Assassin's Will makes the total damage close. And while I'm sweating my bum off on my sorc to land that burst while every frag is dodged if I don't use the abyssmal Streak CC, my magblade only has to press one button to fear. Guaranteed burst. Sometimes isn't broken free immediately. Also applies a snare. And Minor Maim. And Shadow Barrier free 5k resistance, because WHY NOT?

I enjoy my sorc more, but boi... Claiming magblade would not be on par with magsorc and be more difficult to play is just sooo wrong.

In a sorc vs mag nb match up, the nb is 2 times better off with tons of additional buffs and debuffs, as well as generally higher stats and sustain. I'm seriously considering switching more to the NB nowadays as well.

Mage please... Manablades (or nightblades in general) need to do 5 light attacks in 20 seconds and align that skill with an ultimate to get some dangerous burst (which is channeled, means that it can't be animation cancelled, it's dodgeable and blockable), how can you even compare to this to sorc who can just align burst with every curse (while curse ignores all defenses)? On sorc you basically need to be careful to not burst your opponent by accident nowadays. Yes, manablades can be strong (especially in duels) but that's mostly because they can trigger lolpotence so easily with their shade. Otherwise I don't see any reason how magsorc should not be better than manablade, especially with the fragment mechanic, which allows you to proc this crap 10 times in a row which results in ridiculous high pressure spikes, relentless focus can't do that.

Magsorcs right now is insanely strong and I'm getting totally annoyed by magsorc players who deny that. High burst (which has one of the lowest cooldowns as well), high mobility, a lot AoE, tanky as hell, a lot group utility and also super strong in duels, just WTF... In PvE they are top tier too as far as I've heard.
Stamina has to play stupid full tank builds right now (normal heavy armor is not enough, you really need to go for defensive sets and stack the hell out of your defense), which are only viable in duels anyways, to be able to compete with magicka sorcs (or magicka in general) and once a sorc goes for a duel build, well... *** gets serious then. On medium armor you are just totally *** in this meta (maybe with proc sets you can make it work, but you know very well that I run crafted only builds for duels on my nightblade and that I'm not abusing this proc nonsense... and sorc can just proc the same with Skoria, overwhelming surge etc) and you know this very well since basically everyone in medium armor quitted the dueling spot (Jo, Fen, Floriel, Decimus and me for example). Not gonna start talking about that last tourney, there literally all medium armor builds got killed in the first round.

It's just not enjoyable with all this spammable strong shields. Next patch every magicka class can just slot lolpotence and kekrend and get the 4k magicka with almost perma uptime on top of a strong pet that pulls me out of cloak for no reason and applies minor main on me (I can spam 30k shields with that nonsense, my vigor with alchemist buffed has a 13k tooltip which get reduced by defile, nice balance). It just doesn't feel right that you can die to everything while wearing medium armor while magicka just sits there and spams heals or shields and have immunity against everything that isn't high burst. I don't mind giving magicka better options for open world and 1vX but ***, that shield mechanic is so ridiculous in 1v1 fights, people can't be serious when they demand buffs for shields. Oh and the medium armor player dies to the first Soul Strike, but the ultimate is totally fine according to magicka players.


I seriously see how magicka players justify something like THIS because there is a *** oblivion enchant in this game lol. I hope everyone enjoys fighting shieldstack vs shieldstack. *** this, I just wish I would have played sorc since release instead of stamina.

You're right about medium armor, but you're wrong about sorc vs nb duel with equal gear (ex, lolpotence). The NB has a lot more soft CCs, dots & utility as well as high burst on-demand. I dueled some sorcs with my nb and it's kinda sad to see the other player just perma snared and rooted in place, refreshing shields because my dots + skoria is enough to do that, not to mention spammable siphoning dps that does more damage and costs less than destro, as well as assassin's that did so much damage that I didn't even care about aligning it with ultimates or whatever, just shoot it when it's ready and boom shields are gone with one skill (higher tooltip than empowered frags, check it out).

Also, just the utility + dots is what makes mag nb stronger in a duel vs sorc (again, equal gear & player skill), but now add minor maim from shade + major evasion from a magicka skill, that's a huge advantage, the sorc won't have access to any of those in most circumstances and that's 15% dodge chance + 15% less damage, you have to agree that even just two buffs like that are insanely strong in a duel like that. Not to mention 8% more mag from nowhere, higher mag recovery than sorc, I'd have to slot a skill on both bars to get that 8%, NB gets it as easy as anything. They're way stronger in a duel against sorcs and their shield is bigger, there's no need to use two shields when you got a mag nb with necropotence and enough sustain.

Oh and I forgot, fire a cloak every now and then and not only will you get major resistances and an automatic frag miss, but also 8% less damage taken.

And all of those buffs and debuffs apply to your 'shield' as a mag nb, making it EVEN stronger.

Mag NB when equally geared and played right is miles away ahead of mag sorc (when fighting a mag sorc) it's just that there aren't many of them around and they require specific playstyle that not many players enjoy.

While I agree with the above sentiment, the mag NB requires far more skill to do this with