Starting to feel like my Templar will never be good DPS

Rungar · July 2017

why not just roll a sorcerer? they are made for dps.

why bother with the Templar?

Asardes · July 2017

30K DPS can get you trough any content for speed run and HM if you know the mechanic. Stop worrying about how much you pull on the skeleton, because that one won't hit you in the face and leave you on a grey screen.

Argah · July 2017

Asardes wrote: »

30K DPS can get you trough any content for speed run and HM if you know the mechanic. Stop worrying about how much you pull on the skeleton, because that one won't hit you in the face and leave you on a grey screen.

End game pvp is an afterthought, I'm 100% certain I have the skills to beat ai with any class, 1v1 two max CP players in a battle is the pinnacle of the game imo so don't wanna get there and lose because I wasted time on the wrong class.

Epona222 · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

30K DPS can get you trough any content for speed run and HM if you know the mechanic. Stop worrying about how much you pull on the skeleton, because that one won't hit you in the face and leave you on a grey screen.

End game pvp is an afterthought, I'm 100% certain I have the skills to beat ai with any class, 1v1 two max CP players in a battle is the pinnacle of the game imo so don't wanna get there and lose because I wasted time on the wrong class.

Honestly, you could view all time put into the game as wasted, because it is just a game.

Asardes · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

30K DPS can get you trough any content for speed run and HM if you know the mechanic. Stop worrying about how much you pull on the skeleton, because that one won't hit you in the face and leave you on a grey screen.

End game pvp is an afterthought, I'm 100% certain I have the skills to beat ai with any class, 1v1 two max CP players in a battle is the pinnacle of the game imo so don't wanna get there and lose because I wasted time on the wrong class.

Templar is actually very strong in PvP even now, if you spec right and play offensively. More people play templars defensively, 1H+S and HA. It's boring to play and hard to kill anything. 5 Light with 2W/Destro with a damage set, a sustain one and a monster set can hit hard.

KingYogi415 · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

30K DPS can get you trough any content for speed run and HM if you know the mechanic. Stop worrying about how much you pull on the skeleton, because that one won't hit you in the face and leave you on a grey screen.

End game pvp is an afterthought, I'm 100% certain I have the skills to beat ai with any class, 1v1 two max CP players in a battle is the pinnacle of the game imo so don't wanna get there and lose because I wasted time on the wrong class.

Every class can do amazing things, the meta is skill.

You have to try them to figure out your playstyle.

Argah · July 2017

I'm sticking with it going more stam based for a bit.

And judging by mixed comments here I get the feeling reaching end game the differences are minuscule and user input wins.

Smmokkee · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.

But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.

If it was easy then id see more people with 40k magplar parses and thats not the case. Also currently the magplar BiS is 3 gold moondancer jewelry and 2 sharp swords. Not easy to obtain at all

Seems like your saying there's only like one setup for a magplar to compete with nightblade when it comes to dps and honestly, that just sounds boring.

This is just not true. Its almost like you want to believe things will get better on your nb and they might but maybe not either. It doesn't even seem like you have really tried a dps setup on your magplar which you should be doing asap.

Lets get something clear.. youre not just gonna tank up to 500cp switch over to dps and be throwing out competitive high level dps. Even on your nb that won't happen. If you can pull 25k+ dps youre solid and you can start building your foundations from there.

Smmokkee · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

30K DPS can get you trough any content for speed run and HM if you know the mechanic. Stop worrying about how much you pull on the skeleton, because that one won't hit you in the face and leave you on a grey screen.

End game pvp is an afterthought, I'm 100% certain I have the skills to beat ai with any class, 1v1 two max CP players in a battle is the pinnacle of the game imo so don't wanna get there and lose because I wasted time on the wrong class.

MagTemplars are strong and easy in pvp.

Animal_Mother · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

My plan was to Tank or Heal my way till about 500cp where I would switch to DPS and not be a hindrance to teammates .

The more cp I get though I'm starting feel this character will never be great at anything other than heal when that isn't my plan, sure it can tank ok and dps ok but feel like something is missing.

Playing as a Breton atm with 200cp and considering switching to a khajit with the night blade class where I can tank my way to high level then DPS, how much percentage of an improvement if any would that make?

Almost every Templar damage ability is a DOT. Switch your Mage CP from Blessed (I assume you are built this way) to Thaumaturge will help with the DPS; it may hurt your heals a bit, but we start out as the best healers, anyways. Then just keep the mobs DOTTED and use your damage multiplier (Backlash and morphs), if needed.

Argah wrote: »

I'm gonna try my Templar today with duel wield 3 stamina skills and 2 magic on each bar, see if that feels a bit better.

Certainly be a change been 100% magic since I started using her, can't be bothered doing it all again bored after a half hour.

If she goes well with stam I always pay to change race from Breton to something more stam and damage focused.

My main is currently a Bosmer Magplar. Not the best race for min/maxing Templar, but I really don't feel he is deficient in damage output in any way. He still kills mobs and still heals. And solos normal dungeons.

Betsararie · July 2017

another one for the trash heap ?

SoLooney · July 2017

Ehh it all depends, dps wise, not my cup of tea. i enjoy my mag sorc and mag dk more. but there are templars who put out great dps, all classes have potential for high dps, just need to get the gear and master your rotation. but yea, getting those moondancer swords is perfect traits is a pain, im fine with my precise and infused for now

ofSunhold · July 2017

Sounds like you should have rolled a sorc.

Asardes · July 2017

You can't pull good DPS without a lot of practice, even in good gear and with full CP. If you end up pulling 30K+ you are doing great already. 30K is doable on any class.

Epona222 · July 2017

You know the game comes with 8 character slots (and you can buy 6 more). It honestly doesn't take that long to level a new character. I think it's a good idea to have ones of different classes in the stable so that you can be flexible with any nerfs and buffs that happen.

In case anyone thinks I'm just being grotty or something in my replies, most of my characters are Templars, and I find them fine and enjoyable to play. Can I do content? Yes. Do I worry about whether my dps is off the charts or higher than this or that other character? No. As long as I can do the content I like, I am content.

Argah · July 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

You know the game comes with 8 character slots (and you can buy 6 more). It honestly doesn't take that long to level a new character. I think it's a good idea to have ones of different classes in the stable so that you can be flexible with any nerfs and buffs that happen.

In case anyone thinks I'm just being grotty or something in my replies, most of my characters are Templars, and I find them fine and enjoyable to play. Can I do content? Yes. Do I worry about whether my dps is off the charts or higher than this or that other character? No. As long as I can do the content I like, I am content.

Honestly that just sounds terrible to me, doing the game so many times over managing lots of toons etc. that's a whole other level of gaming, that's extreme.

akl77 · July 2017

Asardes wrote: »

You can't pull good DPS without a lot of practice, even in good gear and with full CP. If you end up pulling 30K+ you are doing great already. 30K is doable on any class.

Not every class, when alcast testing warden on target skeleton, he can only do 25k.

Epona222 · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

You know the game comes with 8 character slots (and you can buy 6 more). It honestly doesn't take that long to level a new character. I think it's a good idea to have ones of different classes in the stable so that you can be flexible with any nerfs and buffs that happen.

In case anyone thinks I'm just being grotty or something in my replies, most of my characters are Templars, and I find them fine and enjoyable to play. Can I do content? Yes. Do I worry about whether my dps is off the charts or higher than this or that other character? No. As long as I can do the content I like, I am content.

Honestly that just sounds terrible to me, doing the game so many times over managing lots of toons etc. that's a whole other level of gaming, that's extreme.

But the thing is, there is that facility in the game to not just rely on one character. Sorry if that seems boring to you to level more than one (which since CP is account wide takes no more than a few hours). Look at it this way, those of us who have more than 1 build leveled by putting time and effort into it are more likely to ride over changes, maybe switch to a different main for a while - we get some payoff for that effort.

Also really so what? Everyone gets hit by nerfs, I can barely keep up with which classes are currently in vogue and which have had the nerfhammer, it changes pretty much every few bloomin weeks.

I've been here since beta, I've also been playing Templars since beta, sometimes the class is on top and sometimes it's on the bottom - if you want to stay sane and not pull out your hair you have to adapt. There are changes to every class every major game update, that is what happens, don't get too fixated on one build.

joaaocaampos · July 2017

My setup is:

2 x Grothdarr
5 x Julianos (two swords/lightning staff)
5 x War Maiden (three jewels)

And my damage is GREAT!

Zardayne · July 2017

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.

But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.

If it was easy then id see more people with 40k magplar parses and thats not the case. Also currently the magplar BiS is 3 gold moondancer jewelry and 2 sharp swords. Not easy to obtain at all

Seems like your saying there's only like one setup for a magplar to compete with nightblade when it comes to dps and honestly, that just sounds boring.

META is boring. Welcome to an MMORPG

I'll second this but I will add it's mainly this MMO. In 20 years of MMO this is probably one of the only where created add-ons have enabled players to see every ounce of DPS and I've played almost all of them. I don't ever remember kicking players from groups in EQ, Daoc, WoW, War, or Lotro. So now out of 150 armor sets (just an exaggerated guess) each class has about 2-3 choices of sets depending on what you choose to do (DPS, Heal, Tank). Everyone really should get an email when you create a new class that shows you your one and only correct rotation list for uber dps. That way groups don't drop you because their carrying you. Yeah..it's that great..

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · July 2017

joaaocaampos wrote: »

My setup is:
2 x Grothdarr

5 x Julianos (two swords/lightning staff)

5 x War Maiden (three jewels)

And my damage is GREAT!

Do you realize how much elemental damage you are losing? I mean not to *** on your ok damage build whatever parade but where's that parse video showing it's big dmg

Epona222 · July 2017

joaaocaampos wrote: »

My setup is:
2 x Grothdarr

5 x Julianos (two swords/lightning staff)

5 x War Maiden (three jewels)

And my damage is GREAT!

I have been trying out 2x Groth, 5x War Maiden, and 5x Seducer recently as an experiment, I'm going to change things a bit because I have lost some dps - my sustain is through the roof however, I can keep self-healing through anything. I find it fun to try out new combinations of things even if they turn out to not be ideal.

Epona222 · July 2017

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

joaaocaampos wrote: »

My setup is:
2 x Grothdarr

5 x Julianos (two swords/lightning staff)

5 x War Maiden (three jewels)

And my damage is GREAT!

Do you realize how much elemental damage you are losing? I mean not to *** on your ok damage build whatever parade but where's that parse video showing it's big dmg

Are you having fun playing the game?

idk · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Honestly I was going to add it feels like a nooby no skill class but felt some might be offended, I'm finding it boring walking through ads etc but my endgame is DPS PVE and PVP and I'm just not sure she's gonna be up to much, really can't be bothered starting again but these thoughts are making me consider it a lot.

Most of us were new at some point. Do not stress. While the mention of parses and linking parses in this thread do show that Templars area solid damage dealers, I would suggest talking with guild mates (verbal communication is so much easier than text).

I expect there are some decent Templars in your guild that are willing to help. It could be as simple as watching what you do and suggesting something different. If you are not in a guild it is a good example why being in one is beneficial, though it can take some time to find a decent social guild that works for you.

As for builds, most good builds are for end game group content. You would not have the gear just yet but they can give you some idea. I have linked builds from two players that I like the simplicity of Nos and how Alcast provides information for gearing, CP and tweaks for a build to accommodate newer players. Both offer great information in their builds

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-guide-to-magicka-templar-trial4-man-dps-thiefs-guild/
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-templar-build-pve/

I linked Magicka being you also mentioned possibly healing. Both have stamina builds. For Nos, scroll to the end of the first post to his signature which contains links to his other builds. For Alcast, use the drop down at the top called PvE Builds and select morrowind>Templar then select the stamina variant.

Wolfenbelle · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Honestly that just sounds terrible to me, doing the game so many times over managing lots of toons etc. that's a whole other level of gaming, that's extreme.

I can sympathize with your point of view here, but not because leveling multiple characters seems extreme to me. For me it's more a matter of the time I have available to play. So I've leveled only 3 characters to max (vr16 back in the day), but only play my Templar daily.

I started a NB about 2 years ago, got her to level 23 and stopped. I started a Warden about 3 weeks ago, got her to level 27 and probably will stop. Reason is that I'm comfortable with my Templar and just enjoy her the most. She has all my achievements and, with limited time to play, it's just easier to go with the character I know best.

After the Templar, I enjoy my MagSorc, which I created about 6 months after my Templar. I'm currently redoing her build with the goal of trying Battlegrounds and some of the new vet dungeons with her.

Sneaky-Snurr · July 2017

MagPlars should have no problem pulling consistent 25k+ DPS.

Talking in PvE context, Stamplars need a very specific build and/or skills slotted for them to deal a good amount of DPS as they only have a few stam class skill morphs whereas their magicka counterpart have tons of strong class abilities. Stam weapon abilities are generally a little weak in sustained fighting and can only supplement some portion to the total DPS.

joaaocaampos · July 2017

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Do you realize how much elemental damage you are losing? I mean not to *** on your ok damage build whatever parade but where's that parse video showing it's big dmg

I am not a Sorcerer or Dragonknight, to inflict Elemental Damage. Wall of Elements (and Sun Fire) is the only elemental ability I use. For the next Patch (3.1.0), I'll probably use 2 x Nerien'eth monster set, instead of Grothdarr.

The important thing is: I'm happy.

DeHei · July 2017

I play Magicka Templar since Beta. I played him as Tank first, then healer and now as DD and offheal. Really Templar are very flixible similar to Warden. With the right build he is really fun to play. You will never stay on the top DPS, but you are allways near to them.
Only with switching items and skills you able to tank and heal full.

When you really unlike Templar, you should play another class. Maybe 1 with 3 damage trees like Nightblade or Sorc.

Asardes · July 2017

joaaocaampos wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Do you realize how much elemental damage you are losing? I mean not to *** on your ok damage build whatever parade but where's that parse video showing it's big dmg

I am not a Sorcerer or Dragonknight, to inflict Elemental Damage. Wall of Elements (and Sun Fire) is the only elemental ability I use. For the next Patch (3.1.0), I'll probably use 2 x Nerien'eth monster set, instead of Grothdarr.

The important thing is: I'm happy.

Nerien'eth won't proc a lot on Templar since most DPS skills are DoTs. Skoria is a better choice since that procs on DoTs. It might actually better for PvE with the 10% damage decrease on Grothdarr.

Diminish · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Honestly that just sounds terrible to me, doing the game so many times over managing lots of toons etc. that's a whole other level of gaming, that's extreme.

It's actually quite the opposite in my opinion. Once you get your characters past level 50 it is so refreshing being able to pick and choose which one you want to play knowing that your progress on any of them is shared on all of them. If I am in the mood to play my stam warden; I play him. Getting tired of playing my magsorc, it's cool, I'll go play my stamsorc for a bit. If I get tired of the faster play style of my stamsorc then I'll switch it up and go play my magDK for a bit. Feeling like some PvP, I'll get on my stamblade. Get tired of PvP, I'll jump on my magplar.

Options are never bad, and can make the game refreshing at times. The only real commitment you need to make is the initial grind to CP rank which can be had in a couple days, a few hours a day with pots/scrolls.