"Sorc-owind" and "Sorcs of the Reach": Death of Class Diversity

Orjix · July 2017

i love my magblade too much to give him up, and will still use him as my main. through the good times and the bad times

Tryxus · July 2017

Orjix wrote: »

i love my magblade too much to give him up, and will still use him as my main. through the good times and the bad times

I loved my MagBlade too, but with the Morrowind changes I lost all hope. Strangely, I felt relieved when I deleted him. As if his suffering had finally ended

I wish the best for you and for all MagBlades out there, and hope ZOS will stop the nerfs.

rotaugen454 · July 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

Orjix wrote: »

i love my magblade too much to give him up, and will still use him as my main. through the good times and the bad times

I loved my MagBlade too, but with the Morrowind changes I lost all hope. Strangely, I felt relieved when I deleted him. As if his suffering had finally ended

I wish the best for you and for all MagBlades out there, and hope ZOS will stop the nerfs.

Why would you delete a character? What if another change comes along and they are great? You really want to regrind them?

Dymence · July 2017

If you think scathing kept magicka nightblades on 'life-support', you clearly have no idea how to play this game.

Subversus · July 2017

OP obviously overreacting, Julianos post 2,3,4p buff is pretty much the same as scathing mage pre nerf..

Tryxus · July 2017

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Orjix wrote: »

i love my magblade too much to give him up, and will still use him as my main. through the good times and the bad times

I loved my MagBlade too, but with the Morrowind changes I lost all hope. Strangely, I felt relieved when I deleted him. As if his suffering had finally ended

I wish the best for you and for all MagBlades out there, and hope ZOS will stop the nerfs.

Why would you delete a character? What if another change comes along and they are great? You really want to regrind them?

Broken key skills, continuous nerfs since TG update and becoming more of a ranged caster than an assassin (I no longer felt like a Nightblade) were prob the main reasons why I rerolled.

Besides, I've been begging for the Warden class for a very long time and ZOS turned it into smth I really like. Hence I'm a druid now

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

As a matter of fact with changing twisting path and dumping scathing mage, there is now no need to run Force Pulse, we only ran that for the 3x crit proc chance on scathing anyway, War Maiden + Swallow Soul spam ftw! and directly passively buffs Twisting and proven to stack with Maj / Min Sorc (yes it actually is so gtfo trying to tell me otherwise) All Magic Damage build, Screw Monster sets none are good with magblade anyway, 5x War Maiden, 5x Master Architect + Precise Master Inferno (no need for woe here) with Shadow Stone, Heck, Soul Harvest + Potions and killing Daedra in round 1 VMA I reckon I can get 100% Major Slayer Uptime.

On a serious note, the gear set up above is pretty powerful.

Subversus · July 2017

@DRXHarbinger julianos > war maiden for magblade

ChandraNalaar · July 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

in cyrodiil you only see stamblades and magblades, that is how op they are, everywhere you look there is nightbaldes
to the ground, zos....THIS NB CLASS NEED NERFS ASAP

Mmm somebody is salty that he can't survive a bit of burst.

redshirt_49 · July 2017

Is this discussion still going on?

Tiny adjustments don't break classes, nor will it make them OP. Adjust, adapt, move on.

Between the multitude of skills and the infinite combinations of possible CP distributions, your build and respeccing options are endless.
If you find your build is underperforming because of a nerf, or you're dying to the same class over and over? Adjust your build to counter. Every class can counter another with the right setup.

Though you wouldn't know that copy-pasting your builds from some website and then wondering why <insert-nemesis-class-here> kills you every time.

Shardan4968 · July 2017

Is this thread about World War III or what?

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2017

Lame, zos likes to nerf sets that I have golded, first bsw and now scathing...

Orjix · July 2017

wait, i just want to know how nightblades are destroying in pvp, i main a magblade and i cant get my damage to go over 16k DPS outside of cryodill..

Caligamy_ESO · July 2017

If you build a meta, nerfs will come.

redshirt_49 · July 2017

Orjix wrote: »

wait, i just want to know how nightblades are destroying in pvp, i main a magblade and i cant get my damage to go over 16k DPS outside of cryodill..

Need more CPs probably. Otherwise, low crit rating?

Banana · July 2017

I dont care. Im staying with my stamina DK

Betsararie · July 2017

This is why I switched o playing sorc several updates ago.

FYI: It's the most fun class to play.

DerpyShadowz · July 2017

You guys are way overreacting. This wont kill Nightblade, not at all.

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2017

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

So they will switch to Julianos now like every other class is using. Silly how a crafted set will outperform some of the hardest to grind sets in the game.

Actually crafted sets were bis for a long time, I don't think the original dev team was pushing for grindlife, you were supposed to get your gear done and do pvp or trials, they just didn't have the resources to push content out so they gave you grinds instead.

Dantaria · July 2017

As a magsorc main (purely PvE here), I have only one thing to say - where is the LOL button

We lost a lot with Morrowind. Yeah, there were no direct nerfs to sorcs - except Crystal Frags, but it was lolworthy also. But sustain changes were the huge indirect nerf for us.

Sorcs have 0 ways to sustain. Don't even start with Dark Deal, noone uses it in PvE. Even magDKs have some nice Offbalance + Lash combos. But magsorcs?

After Morrowind we simply lost our ability to sustain huge numbers. Do you know why like... noone cares for Crystal Frags nerf in PvE? Because not only was it small - after figuring things out, almost everyone stopped using Crystal Frags. You can't sustain them. Heck, you can't sustain Force Pulse - HA is our spammable now.

The moment you walked into some battle with significant length as a magsorc after Morrowind... You saw abysmal numbers. And you understood - sorcs Golden Age is pretty much over.

Yes, there were no direct nerfs. But sustain on itself was more than enough, believe me. We lost a lot, as we, to be honest, should have.

Morrowind pushed magsorcs from solid 1st place. It didn't kill build diversity - it actually made other options shine again.

It saddens me greatly that it was done by bringing the whole playerbase down, honestly. If you ask me - we all should hit harder. There were other options. I'm still not at peace with the way they chose and I doubt I ever will be. But Sorcowind? Sorcs of the Reach? Don't make me laugh.

We got our nerf. You simply don't understand us enough to see it

/crossedarms,
Dretha Telvanni
#forevermagsorc, #glorytotelvanni, #screw-best-i'm-content-with-viable

Doctordarkspawn · July 2017

VvardeFellow wrote: »

I disagree with GO or ****. Since the days of UO (Ultima Online for millennials) which class was over powered one day was nerfed the next, before the word nerfed was even in use. Some of the changes are intentional, as a correction from internal testing or from players, some is unintentional. I think for the vast number of us, who may not be total mechanic to the Nth degree types, most changes are not a big deal, certainly not a deal breaker.

You just had to get the jab at Millenials in there, didn't you? You just had to shake your cane at the kids these days for not sharing your opinion, didn't you? Age has very little to do with it.

Diversity of builds allready died a few patches ago. It's why battlemasters corner has so few entries. The ammount of stuff that actually works is geting smaller, and smaller, and at this point I wonder why ZOS does not institute rigid classes and be done with it. It'd be more fun than this.

OP has the right idea. Screw with ZOS's bottom line if they are not willing to budge. Customer is allways right no matter how much the corporate shills want to make it the other way around. (Also, I'm aware the above was a fix. I'm fine with it being fixed. But the fact we're relying on glitches to boost DPS and such are indicitive of how much we gotta scrape the bottom of the barrel just to get -by- nowadays.)

Betsararie · July 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

As a magsorc main (purely PvE here), I have only one thing to say - where is the LOL button

We lost a lot with Morrowind. Yeah, there were no direct nerfs to sorcs - except Crystal Frags, but it was lolworthy also. But sustain changes were the huge indirect nerf for us.

Sorcs have 0 ways to sustain. Don't even start with Dark Deal, noone uses it in PvE. Even magDKs have some nice Offbalance + Lash combos. But magsorcs?

After Morrowind we simply lost our ability to sustain huge numbers. Do you know why like... noone cares for Crystal Frags nerf in PvE? Because not only was it small - after figuring things out, almost everyone stopped using Crystal Frags. You can't sustain them. Heck, you can't sustain Force Pulse - HA is our spammable now.

The moment you walked into some battle with significant length as a magsorc after Morrowind... You saw abysmal numbers. And you understood - sorcs Golden Age is pretty much over.

Yes, there were no direct nerfs. But sustain on itself was more than enough, believe me. We lost a lot, as we, to be honest, should have.

Morrowind pushed magsorcs from solid 1st place. It didn't kill build diversity - it actually made other options shine again.

It saddens me greatly that it was done by bringing the whole playerbase down, honestly. If you ask me - we all should hit harder. There were other options. I'm still not at peace with the way they chose and I doubt I ever will be. But Sorcowind? Sorcs of the Reach? Don't make me laugh.

We got our nerf. You simply don't understand us enough to see it

/crossedarms,
Dretha Telvanni
#forevermagsorc, #glorytotelvanni, #screw-best-i'm-content-with-viable

I agree with everything in this post.

Morrowind, while also making us less effective as a dps, also made the game noticeably less enjoyable.

Morrowind was a step in the wrong direction.

code65536 · July 2017

I main a magblade.

I have three magblades.

I continued to main magblade even during the patches when magblades were "dead" and at the bottom of the totem pole.

And as a card-carrying magblade, I have this to say: This thread is ridiculous and @Vercingetorix is overreacting.

This is a much-needed consistency fix. We ridicule ZOS for leaving glaring bugs unfixed for almost 2 years, and then when they do fix them, you complain about it? LOL. Right now, a Scathing magblade will have something like 50-70 more average spell damage than a Julianos magblade--the loss of Scathing is not going to destroy magblades (it will give us better fashion choices, though!). The planned change of Twisting to scale off of Thaumaturge instead of MAA in CP will hurt the ability a little, but in the grander scheme of things, it'll be fine (and ZOS could slightly increase Path's base damage to compensate).

Yes, this bug fix will effectively be a nerf. That doesn't mean that the bug should be left in. And the nerf isn't going to hurt much and it certainly will not mean that magblades are going to die (again).

max_only · July 2017

Sorcs coming in this thread to whine - please go away. Yes the OP overreacted about this one change. Doesn't negate (get it?) the fact that Sorcs are Wrobel's favored son.

Scyantific · July 2017

Subversus wrote: »

@DRXHarbinger julianos > war maiden for magblade

Not really. If DRX is gonna be using nothing but the NB skills toolkit then War Maiden is BiS. The only time you'd want to run Julianos is if you were using stuff like Force Pulse/WOE/Shooting Star/Destro Ult, which DRX is obviously not going to use.

Morgul667 · July 2017

Always amazes me, how people can be so focused on sorcerer

ADarklore · July 2017

Honestly, when people come here and complain, complain, complain... talking about how this game is no longer fun, etc... then it's time for them to move on! All they do is drag the rest of the people down with their negativity, and sorry if you're build revolves solely around ONE skill to make you successful... definitely a L2P issue IMO.

lauykanson · July 2017

Sorc itself is ok after morrowind nerf, but the exploiter passive needs to be nerfed to like 5% or so that *** is heavily exploited by almost every sorc build atm

Morvane · July 2017

Morgul667 wrote: »

Always amazes me, how people can be so focused on sorcerer

the main antagonist of this game is sorcerer (Mannimarko) despite of protagonists which are DK, NB and templar
this is a hidden reason)

Subversus · July 2017

@Scyantific you still don't get boosted light/heavy attacks, ults and wall of elements. That's like 30% of your damage. If you aren't going to use those then you're obviously not shooting for end game dps at which point it won't really matter what you use - everything works just fine.