Allow me to once again clarify, for people who don't like reading my TL;DR versions: if English is not your first language, but I understand what you're saying (or trying to say), then there are no problems.

My grievances are directed at native English speakers only.

This is where I completely agree with the OP (original poster). You should know how to speak (and write, or type) your native language correctly. Any time you are attempting to speak or understand a foreign language, you are allowed and expected to make mistakes.

Sixsixsix161 wrote: »

The English language is changing, and not for the better.



Of course, he's not the only one, just the one I remembered. And when well-known/famous people on TV and in the press can't get the language right, how can we expect our children to get it right.

*right?

CorsennaRyu wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

If I know the person is not a native English speaker I have endless patience. But if they ARE native English speakers and still produce mostly gibberish or exhibit "net speak" laziness to an extreme degree (a little doesn't bother me) I find I end up believing they are stupid. That may not be fair or even accurate, but it's what happens.

Right there with you, I don't expect perfect, but native English speakers have no excuse. English-as-a-2nd language (like myself) have plenty of excuse. It's just sad that half the time my English is closer to correct than the majority utilizing chat.

Maybe you can teach some of these so-called native English speakers how to use the language correctly. You obviously have a better grasp on it than they do, and I've run out of patience with them. You have enough patience to learn a second language - perhaps you also have enough patience to lead a blind, thirsty horse to water.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

QUEZ420 wrote: »

L33T sp3ak bruhhhh.... welcome to 2017!

Yep... internet shortcuts with the English language makes me automatically deduct fifty points from their IQ...

The funny part is that they're advocating "L33T sp3ak" and saying "welcome to 2017"...

Because obviously "leet speak" just came out in 2017...

Seriously, do kids think they invented everything?

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

CorsennaRyu wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

If I know the person is not a native English speaker I have endless patience. But if they ARE native English speakers and still produce mostly gibberish or exhibit "net speak" laziness to an extreme degree (a little doesn't bother me) I find I end up believing they are stupid. That may not be fair or even accurate, but it's what happens.

Right there with you, I don't expect perfect, but native English speakers have no excuse. English-as-a-2nd language (like myself) have plenty of excuse. It's just sad that half the time my English is closer to correct than the majority utilizing chat.

Maybe you can teach some of these so-called native English speakers how to use the language correctly. You obviously have a better grasp on it than they do, and I've run out of patience with them. You have enough patience to learn a second language - perhaps you also have enough patience to lead a blind, thirsty horse to water.

I've tried, but it was hard enough going from my native to Irish English to American English. I've been hearing this kid saying "jewery" rather than "jewelry" and it makes me want to cry. Then he tries to tell me the L is silent? Another kid talking about getting perfect Roe keeps saying "fillit" rather than properly pronouncing filet. Don't get me started on the ways I've heard people say melee.

CorsennaRyu wrote: »

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

CorsennaRyu wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

If I know the person is not a native English speaker I have endless patience. But if they ARE native English speakers and still produce mostly gibberish or exhibit "net speak" laziness to an extreme degree (a little doesn't bother me) I find I end up believing they are stupid. That may not be fair or even accurate, but it's what happens.

Right there with you, I don't expect perfect, but native English speakers have no excuse. English-as-a-2nd language (like myself) have plenty of excuse. It's just sad that half the time my English is closer to correct than the majority utilizing chat.

Maybe you can teach some of these so-called native English speakers how to use the language correctly. You obviously have a better grasp on it than they do, and I've run out of patience with them. You have enough patience to learn a second language - perhaps you also have enough patience to lead a blind, thirsty horse to water.

I've tried, but it was hard enough going from my native to Irish English to American English. I've been hearing this kid saying "jewery" rather than "jewelry" and it makes me want to cry. Then he tries to tell me the L is silent? Another kid talking about getting perfect Roe keeps saying "fillit" rather than properly pronouncing filet. Don't get me started on the ways I've heard people say melee.

LOL

I'm sorry. Truly.
As much as I hope those people weren't from my country... I'm betting they probably are.

If you're a native English speaker you have no excuse for being lazy. If English isn't your native language then I salute you for trying - whatever your language, I can't speak it as well as you speak English.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

It ain't no big deal.

I up-voted you for humourous use of a double negative to say it is a big deal because you are correct.

I am quite the grammar freak, but if I know up front English isn't your first language and we are communicating well, I can overlook grammar mistakes. English is a difficult language to learn and as much as I love Google, sometimes Google Translate isn't perfect.

Ой да ладно, нашёл из-за чего париться Пока ты не выдаёшь какой-то дикий суржик, который никто не может понять, никого твой английский не волнует. Что тут, что в игре он у многих не родной, так что не до осуждения. А если кого напрягает - так это его проблемы, не твои

I used to get self-conscious about my English as well... but then I got "relax and enjoy life" memo in my heart

First of all, ESO, like any MMO, is international - English isn't native for many people, so... I honestly don't care how good or bad someone's English is. God the witness, mine is far from perfect also Understanding is what matters. In any international environment - all is well as long as we can understand each other.

And secondly... If I chose to remain silent because of "my English is bad" thoughts, how would I get any practise? Mastering anything requires practising it. Your English will never get better if you won't use it So use it

TL;DR: Don't care (would be rather hypocritical of me ) and never going to

P. S. Also - totally Suka, blyat, vodka, balalayka

Let's put this debate to rest.

Everyone knows that English is the official language of ESO.

Eremith wrote: »

I don't know English very well. I don't even sure I've wrote a poll question correctly. And this previous sequence looks terrible, I think.
Nevertheless, I'm quite a grammar-***, and sometimes it's painful to see someone making mistakes in my native language (when I know that they're russians, I mean).
So, how do you feel about that?

Grammar is irrelevant to me. What matters is if a person can make his or her self understood.