kylewwefan wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Instead of keep nerfing those dungeons like WGT..already only needed half a braincell to complete those lmfao
Why not show people with actual USEFUL INGAME TIPS how they can improve their gamestyle and learn the game.

Have you ever done a random vet daily? Maybe it different on PC. This is hardly the nerf needed and I'm sure many pugs will still struggle.

And why exactly is a struggling pug group a bad thing exactly? Let them struggle...there is always normal versions of the dungeons for those wanting an easy run.

kylewwefan wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Instead of keep nerfing those dungeons like WGT..already only needed half a braincell to complete those lmfao
Why not show people with actual USEFUL INGAME TIPS how they can improve their gamestyle and learn the game.

Have you ever done a random vet daily? Maybe it different on PC. This is hardly the nerf needed and I'm sure many pugs will still struggle.

The nerf needed for what, exactly? For a disorganized group with no tank/healer, 10k group dps and everyone disregarding mechanics along with groupchat to rp their way through vet hm dlc dungeon? No, it is not. The question is, should it be?

Alcast wrote: »

Instead of keep nerfing those dungeons like WGT..already only needed half a braincell to complete those lmfao
Why not show people with actual USEFUL INGAME TIPS how they can improve their gamestyle and learn the game.

I agree, how many times must we nerf WGT?

Are we going to make dungeons like base game has become, where you can just left click your way though everything..... Oh wait, I forgot, left clicking does seem to be the intended combat technique.

I'm with Alcast.
Zos pls give us a third difficult challenging level if casuals don't want to play normal and now veteran is becoming the old normal level.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Most of the best players I run with are adults that work full time and have real lives outside the game. Doing well is much less about the time you put into the game than it is about the effort you put it in during that time. If effort isn't something you associate with games, that's fine; there's plenty of games I've enjoyed with a very laid back focus, and ESO can certainly be played that way. But you can't really have both. If you don't care about your character's performance, then normals will get you the story and the fun experience. If you do care, you should probably learn how to play before reaching, for that vet drop shiny that'll up your dps by .6%, as personal skill will be a much bigger boost.

No man, they're tryhards living on welfare and playing this game 24/7.

Why should I have to think when I play a game? And don't tell me to read a guide. This isn't Reading Scrolls Online. I play how I want. If someone tries to explain mechanics to me in the game, I will leave and report them for being toxic. Nobody gets to tell me what to do.

Your post is longer than one sentence, its too difficult to read it.

WGT: I actually think it will be worse now when 2 people get the vision even under 50% boss health, because they will be more confused about pinion duty. Most times I die there is because I grab it first but somehow the other people "forget" to take it so I stack DoTs to the point it's impossible trough heal trough it. I don't know what was the intention, but I anticipate PuGs will have an even harder time beating the Inhibitor because of that. Indeed, Kena fight is one of the easiest boss fights, since it's basically just stack, burn and roll dodge trough the lightning wall when it's about to hit you. Easy mechanic. With a healer spamming healing springs I think you can even stack and barely move trough the walls because he will be able to outheal it.

ICP: With slightly above average DPS Ibomez "stack and burn" has been viable for ages. You can just ignore the acid blisters and AoE the flesh atronachs as they come out of the pool together with the boss (he still takes damage during the "go to pool an call mobs" phase, but at a reduced rate). At ~55-60K group DPS they die long before they could enrage and in the execute phase you can just ignore them leaving them to the tank and burn the boss directly. This fight should have actually received a buff, for example decrease the enrage timer for the atronachs and make Ibomez truly invulnerable, just like Xal-Nur or Dranos (solid yellow health bar). Lord Warden's shades were low health even before, and died in like 10s if you hit the right ones. That nerf was really not needed. That fight actually has some annoying bugs, that have been there since release: spawn one portal, but not the 2nd (I screwed up a few no death runs because of this bug), or have the portals move together, stacked, with similar results. They should have fixed that, instead of doing those lame nerfs. Lord Warden's council is another interesting boss fight that unfortunately has been nerfed into pure "stack and burn" a few patches back, when they reduced the health of the 4 guards to slightly above trash. Now if you trow 2 ults on them they burn to cinders in 10-15s.

COA2: didn't need any nerfs, the Maw fight was actually good because it required the group to work together. The tank had to pull the ranged adds, the healer needed to stack the group under healing springs in the quake phase, the DDs had to AoE the boss and adds together. Only very good groups would burn the boss, and ignore the adds. Now probably even mediocre groups would be able to do this, instead of moderating the boss damage in order to limit the add spawn rate like we used to do back in the day when top people were CP300 tops, and if you did 25K you were a demi-god.

RoM: The Xal-Nur fear and charge mechanic and the aggro loss was actually a good test for the tank by putting pressure on resources and requiring good environment awareness reaction times - if you don't have stamina you can't stop the charge. Now tanking it will be much easier, with little challenge for even mediocre players. I even tanked that fight with a magicka sorcerer with 13.5K stamina and had no trouble beating it even as it is now, with no nerfs.

CoS: Dranos and Veli "bombs" didn't need a nerf. The fact they were one shot actually made people pay attention. Now people will be able to simply be healed and survive. Same with the orbs: you either learn to avoid them since their paths are quite predictable (good practice for a similar mechanic in a certain trial) or make the tank be "eaten" all the time, and only getting red ones which can then be purged.

What ZoS will accomplish with this nerfs will not help people progress to end game. On the contrary, they will go there even more unprepared. If you don't have punishing mechanics that one shot the player or even wipe the group if executed incorrectly in 4 man dungeons, at least on veteran difficulty people will not know how to deal with them in trials. Progression to end game will be even more brutal for people who want to achieve that. It's like cutting the lower rungs of the progression ladder and gluing them 10" lower because people whine they are too high.

Tannus15 wrote: »

I'm not sure why it matters?

Sure, this will make the planar fight slightly less RNG since you'll pretty much always have 1 dps to close portals. But *** groups will not get passed kena anyway.

This is a literal storm in a teacup.

Same can be said for Vet RoM. Groups will still fail at Tree-Minder even if they managed to defeat Xal-Nur.

Why worry about rifts when you can just burn the boss?

Also, I wouldn't mind a third difficulty where we could get gold jewelry and more loot in general. At least then casuals can have their monster helms and purple jewelry. Then again I guess casuals would complain they wouldn't be able to get gold jewelry. >.>