Sharp Nerf Incoming, to to grind... again.

Malamar1229 · July 2017

I KNEW this was coming. I kept all my VMA weapons.
The only thing I am missing is sharp inferno, have like 2 nirnhoned ones. Woo hoo

Rickter · July 2017

I think the devs (yet again) achieved exactly what they wanted: build diversity

Sharpened, Precise, Infused and Nirnhoned are all viable options.

gg zos well played

Dymence · July 2017

Rickter wrote: »

I think the devs (yet again) achieved exactly what they wanted: build diversity

Sharpened, Precise, Infused and Nirnhoned are all viable options.

gg zos well played

I still don't think nirnhoned is gonna be viable.

Rickter · July 2017

Dymence wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

I think the devs (yet again) achieved exactly what they wanted: build diversity

Sharpened, Precise, Infused and Nirnhoned are all viable options.

gg zos well played

I still don't think nirnhoned is gonna be viable.

i said VIABLE not BiS

Sharpened still BiS for pvp.

PvE is a toss up

KingJ · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Depend in my opinion Sharpened will still be BIS for PVP.

For DW if you can 1 nirn 1 sharp would likely be best.

nirn main hand, sharp off hand.

For DW yes but sharp 2h will still be BIS.

Dymence · July 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

I think the devs (yet again) achieved exactly what they wanted: build diversity

Sharpened, Precise, Infused and Nirnhoned are all viable options.

gg zos well played

I still don't think nirnhoned is gonna be viable.

i said VIABLE not BiS

Sharpened still BiS for pvp.

PvE is a toss up

Even for PVE, nirnhoned is pretty *** compared to other traits.

Surak73 · July 2017

Calysis wrote: »

Well, looks like I won't need to farm for any more sharpened vMA inferno staves after all. Luckily I still have a legendary one that is precise that I'll most likely use.

This is exactly the first thing I thought... After roughly 150 runs, I have only one sharpened lightning staff and no inferno one, but I sit on several precise and nirnhoned lightning and inferno staves.

Bye bye, Maelstrom. I will miss you, Demi Prince...

Enslaved · July 2017

Utter bs, D move by Zos. It is like at some point in life someone came to your house and took awqy your belongings since goverment decided that all money you earned is somehow now almost worthless and for reasons unknown peanuts are new currency. That means all that large credits you were paying off are now retroactively not payed at all, and you owe banks a shietload of peanuts.

Zos, out of all things you ever did, this one is 100% stupidest. This could be done ONLY in one condition, and that is rising CP gear cap to 200. That would send us grinding for new bs meta BiS of your choosing. But this? We should grind for precise now and then in few months you will decide its op af and nerf it so we can grind same boring ass tier content for, idk, infused weapons? You could simply buff worthless traits without making sharpened total bs. Countless of people spent hundreds of thousands of gours combined grinding now wet noodled weapons that you rng rigged to be next to impossible to get. Wtf is wrong with you? Do you think your player base consists of mindless fools and idiots? Do you even need old players at all? Isnt our cash good enough anymore? Morrowind changes left me alone in my guild, noone even logs on anymore. How many more ppl should leave before you finaly get it that you cannot simply spit on players effort and dedication like that? Pitiful.

skyhawk002 · July 2017

What is order or BiS now in PvE? precise > Nirnhoned > Sharpened?

leepalmer95 · July 2017

skyhawk002 wrote: »

What is order or BiS now in PvE? precise > Nirnhoned > Sharpened?

Wait until the maths guys finish their maths

Exodium · July 2017

skyhawk002 wrote: »

What is order or BiS now in PvE? precise > Nirnhoned > Sharpened?

Genuinely hope so then I can put my vma lightning staff to good use haha

SkylarkX · July 2017

jroc699_burr wrote: »

spinners spriggans making a comeback !

Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:
Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%
Physical or Spell Resistance has been increased by 13.8%
Physical or Spell Penetration has been decreased by 22%

Glamdring · July 2017

SkylarkX wrote: »

jroc699_burr wrote: »

spinners spriggans making a comeback !

Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:
Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%
Physical or Spell Resistance has been increased by 13.8%
Physical or Spell Penetration has been decreased by 22%

Read again what i highlighted in your quote. spinner and spriggans penetration is 5 piece bonus

GreenhaloX · July 2017

My million dollar question would, again, be why?? Why.. why all the freaking *beep* *beep* *beeping* and *beep* *beep* nerfing?!! Nevermind, I don't want to know the answer. It, I'm sure, will be as nonsense as all these nerfing. To balance.. balance what? To balance our enjoyment and bring that down so it will balance out to non-enjoyment. Lord, Almighty! I don't understand this gaming company and the directions ESO have been going; slippery freaking slope! Ahhh, bloody hell with it all!

Aliyavana · July 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any. How about you load up the pts and check?

He just pointed one out, and at least one of the new sets had a spell pen bonus.

Lol.

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any 1-4 piece that have spell pen, so of course they are talking about those sets, plus probably twice fang snake. How about you load up the pts and check?

wot?

Edit: oh spell pen? No there's not

Lol.

Tryxus wrote: »

Flame Blossom (Light)
(2) Max Magicka
(3) Spell Damage
(4) Spell Penetration
(5) When you deal damage, you have a 10% chance to summon a line of flame that moves forward, dealing 8,000 Flame Damage to any enemy in its path. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

So you think they added a set then nerfed it right away? Lol

You might not understand how this works, as soon as they created Kraghs, they created 1/2/3/4 piece penetration value, just because a set didn't exist with it yet doesn't mean that value didn't exist.

Having checked the pts, kraghs is the only set to have changed. My original assumptions were wrong. My bad.

Nerfed it buffed? Lol

Troneon · July 2017

It's a buff if you do not play the game.

SkylarkX · July 2017

Glamdring wrote: »

SkylarkX wrote: »

jroc699_burr wrote: »

spinners spriggans making a comeback !

Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:
Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%
Physical or Spell Resistance has been increased by 13.8%
Physical or Spell Penetration has been decreased by 22%

Read again what i highlighted in your quote. spinner and spriggans penetration is 5 piece bonus

Just testing

Universe · July 2017

Precise or Nirnhoned will be used once again.
The almost 50% nerf to sharpened is too much.
It should have been 20% nerf to about 4,128 penetration.
I think Precise will be the best weapon trait overall(for doing damage, offence).

It is a bit sad for grinders who spent hundreds of hours/hundreds of thousands of gold grinding the "perfect" sharpened weapon.
Huge increase in gold tempers sales is incoming, there will be much demand.

Dantaria · July 2017

skyhawk002 wrote: »

What is order or BiS now in PvE? precise > Nirnhoned > Sharpened?

Pretty much yep.

After casually fooling around on PTS, I can say this: we are all going to love the Lover now

Making 5k pen through CPs is too costly. Not worth it.

Lover gives us 2752 pen. Assuming full golden Divines - 4196 pen. Put ~10 in Spell Erosion to hit 1k and you're good.

What you want next is Precise. Nirn? Meh. But sharp? 4196 + 2752 = way overkill. Or you may try Thief/Apprentice/etc moondus, but then you'll need ~2.5k in Spell Erosion. Again - huge waste, way overkill. All in all sharp feels... Pretty useless, honestly. Too little by itself and requires too much to compensate

Also would like to note - welcome to Morrowind part 2. Specifically - your numbers are inevitably going to be lower again. However this time - not by much.

This is all only preliminary though.

tplink3r1 · July 2017

The new Nirn gives you around 230 weapon on a 2-h sword, and from what i have tested that's like a 4~4.5% damage increase + it gets buffed by Major Brutality, so we can add another 46 damage to that.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any. How about you load up the pts and check?

He just pointed one out, and at least one of the new sets had a spell pen bonus.

Lol.

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any 1-4 piece that have spell pen, so of course they are talking about those sets, plus probably twice fang snake. How about you load up the pts and check?

wot?

Edit: oh spell pen? No there's not

Lol.

Tryxus wrote: »

Flame Blossom (Light)
(2) Max Magicka
(3) Spell Damage
(4) Spell Penetration
(5) When you deal damage, you have a 10% chance to summon a line of flame that moves forward, dealing 8,000 Flame Damage to any enemy in its path. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

So you think they added a set then nerfed it right away? Lol

You might not understand how this works, as soon as they created Kraghs, they created 1/2/3/4 piece penetration value, just because a set didn't exist with it yet doesn't mean that value didn't exist.

Having checked the pts, kraghs is the only set to have changed. My original assumptions were wrong. My bad.

Nerfed it buffed? Lol

Kraghs is the only old set that was nerfed. The other sets penetration is unchanged.

Dymence · July 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

skyhawk002 wrote: »

What is order or BiS now in PvE? precise > Nirnhoned > Sharpened?

Pretty much yep.

After casually fooling around on PTS, I can say this: we are all going to love the Lover now Making 5k pen through CPs is too costly. Not worth it.

Lover gives us 2752 pen. Assuming full golden Divines - 4196 pen. Put ~10 in Spell Erosion to hit 1k and you're good.

What you want next is Precise. Nirn? Meh. But sharp? 4196 + 2752 = way overkill. Or you may try Thief/Apprentice/etc moondus, but then you'll need ~2.5k in Spell Erosion. Again - huge waste, way overkill. All in all sharp feels... Pretty useless, honestly. Too little by itself and requires too much to compensate

Also would like to note - welcome to Morrowind part 2. Specifically - your numbers are inevitably going to be lower again. However this time - not by much.

This is all only preliminary though.

Most people at endgame are already running 31 points in spell erosion right now. If you run sharpened with thief mundus, put 10 more points into spell erosion with CP cap increase and have someone put minor breach poison in a coordinated group and you are pretty much back at the 18k pen mark which is the maximum bosses have right now. Sharpened thief is likely still going to be better than precise lover, but the difference won't be that big.

Also nirnhoned is still trash people, stop saying it > anything.

Mettaricana · July 2017

Glamdring wrote: »

sharpened got a huge blow, imagine all goldmats that gone into making sharpened weapons, poff poff gone

They could fix this by making gold cost 5 tempers sinnce it goes 2 3 4 8 for ammounts needed

oMrRust · July 2017

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Break out the nirn weapons. Been a long time old friends.

Luckily I have a nirnhoned ice staff & inferno staff I saved cause why the hell not.. lol.

tplink3r1 · July 2017

5160 pen gives you 7.8% more damage. You get 1% reduction for every 660 armor, unless they changed it.
If i'm right, then Nirn will be slightly better than Sharpened.

Bobby_V_Rockit · July 2017

All I see is that NMG is probably better than Spriggan's now. Especially with the thief mundus nerf...

ArchMikem · July 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:
Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%

That just means my characters numbers are going to be better, I don't see the problem here.

Morgul667 · July 2017

Calysis wrote: »

Well, looks like I won't need to farm for any more sharpened vMA inferno staves after all. Luckily I still have a legendary one that is precise that I'll most likely use.

If I finally loot my sharpened vma staff, im gonna laugh or cry lol

SkylarkX · July 2017

tplink3r1 wrote: »

5160 pen gives you 7.8% more damage. You get 1% reduction for every 660 armor, unless they changed it.
If i'm right, then Nirn will be slightly better than Sharpened.

More so when you remember that (for pvp at least) increase to weapon/spell damage effects all targets equally where as penetration and critical chance for that matter don't apply to shields.

Oompuh · July 2017

Dymence wrote: »

The Lover: Now grants 2752 Physical and Spell Penetration instead of granting Spell Resistance.

This opens up new options to less fortunate people too, who have VMA precise weapons and don't have sharpened ones. 7 gold divine pieces will put the lover's pen at 4196 spell/phys pen and you'll get the 9% from precise. Going this route instead of the old sharpened thief you will trade in 4-5% crit for 1400~ pen

I feel like this will be what happens. Makes the most sense to me