Sharp Nerf Incoming, to to grind... again.

Ghost-Shot · July 2017

KingJ wrote: »

Depend in my opinion Sharpened will still be BIS for PVP.

Maybe, nirn is looking nice though now, sharpened already becomes useless the minute someone casts a shield so nirn or precise may be viable.

Actually I think going precise weapon with the new lover stone might be the ***.

doslekis · July 2017

Not doubting this but where would I go to find this information? I read so much about nerfs in these forums, I check the patch notes sub forum and can never find most of this stuff.

Lord_Eomer · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Not sure if sharp will be BIS anymore. Time to regrind those gold weps maybe?

They want players to put more CP into sharpen!

Tryxus · July 2017

doslekis wrote: »

Not doubting this but where would I go to find this information? I read so much about nerfs in these forums, I check the patch notes sub forum and can never find most of this stuff.

It's on the Public Test Server forums

Ghost-Shot · July 2017

doslekis wrote: »

Not doubting this but where would I go to find this information? I read so much about nerfs in these forums, I check the patch notes sub forum and can never find most of this stuff.

PTS forum section

CP5 · July 2017

josiahva wrote: »

sigh...sharpened doesn't need a nerf...the other traits need a buff. Someone at ZoS just need to sit down and do the math and figure out what kind of buff would be required to bring infused, precise, nirnhoned, weighted, etc up to comparable levels damage wise. Even that wont help though...the all-knowing "meta" will soon declare a different trait to be the "best" and it will start all over again....sometimes you just have to let something be the best, thats all there is to it.

An insane one. If this is how zos went about balancing things damage numbers would just keep going up, so then they would have to buff the health pools of players and npcs so they could maintain similar kill times, which would negate the point of raising the damage in the first place. Nerfs are part of balance, and frankly sharpened was beyond the range of 'just buff the alternatives'.

IcyDeadPeople · July 2017

Yay, precise and nirnhoned are looking pretty good right now!

Nice to see prosperous is finally useful, but the value seems a bit low, no? And I think charged could have used a buff.

Tryxus · July 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Yay, precise and nirnhoned are looking pretty good right now!

Nice to see prosperous is finally useful, but the value seems a bit low, no? And I think charged could have used a buff.

I really hope we have multiple options now: Sharpened, Nirnhoned and Precise. And that we just have to increase certain CP stars depending on the weapon trait.

They seem pretty even to me now

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2017

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any. How about you load up the pts and check?

He just pointed one out, and at least one of the new sets had a spell pen bonus.

Lol.

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any 1-4 piece that have spell pen, so of course they are talking about those sets, plus probably twice fang snake. How about you load up the pts and check?

wot?

Edit: oh spell pen? No there's not

Lol.

Tryxus wrote: »

Flame Blossom (Light)
(2) Max Magicka
(3) Spell Damage
(4) Spell Penetration
(5) When you deal damage, you have a 10% chance to summon a line of flame that moves forward, dealing 8,000 Flame Damage to any enemy in its path. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

So you think they added a set then nerfed it right away? Lol

Ghost-Shot · July 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any. How about you load up the pts and check?

He just pointed one out, and at least one of the new sets had a spell pen bonus.

Lol.

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any 1-4 piece that have spell pen, so of course they are talking about those sets, plus probably twice fang snake. How about you load up the pts and check?

wot?

Edit: oh spell pen? No there's not

Lol.

Tryxus wrote: »

Flame Blossom (Light)
(2) Max Magicka
(3) Spell Damage
(4) Spell Penetration
(5) When you deal damage, you have a 10% chance to summon a line of flame that moves forward, dealing 8,000 Flame Damage to any enemy in its path. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

So you think they added a set then nerfed it right away? Lol

You might not understand how this works, as soon as they created Kraghs, they created 1/2/3/4 piece penetration value, just because a set didn't exist with it yet doesn't mean that value didn't exist.

idk · July 2017

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Break out the nirn weapons. Been a long time old friends.

Doubtful the buff to Nirn is enough since it only buffs the weapon damage obtained from the weapon. Might be but I'd best on precise being stronger than nirn.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Break out the nirn weapons. Been a long time old friends.

Doubtful the buff to Nirn is enough since it only buffs the weapon damage obtained from the weapon. Might be but I'd best on precise being stronger than nirn.

May be good on 2h's

It would be bis on dw builds though. For 1 at least.

Main hand is 100% of its weapon dmg
Off hand is 20%

Dymence · July 2017

Sharpened will probably stay BiS, atleast for PVE. Just because it got nerfed doesn't mean you'll suddenly need less penetration. Penetration is still incredibly valuable and 2.7k is not to be underestimated.

Kihamai · July 2017

Well, looks like I won't need to farm for any more sharpened vMA inferno staves after all. Luckily I still have a legendary one that is precise that I'll most likely use.

Glamdring · July 2017

As u now only need 31 cp points into piercing to reach sharpened value of 2750 it opens up for a lot of weptraits.

Haquor · July 2017

Will all my precise infwrno and lightning staves now be tolerable? Or only nirn ftw?

Glamdring · July 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Break out the nirn weapons. Been a long time old friends.

Doubtful the buff to Nirn is enough since it only buffs the weapon damage obtained from the weapon. Might be but I'd best on precise being stronger than nirn.

Nirn changed from adding 183 spell/wepdamage to around 250 spell/wepdamage buffed if my calculations are correct.

DHale · July 2017

Just quit messing with stuff.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2017

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any. How about you load up the pts and check?

He just pointed one out, and at least one of the new sets had a spell pen bonus.

Lol.

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Spinner got nerfed, too. Any item set that has a "Armor/Spell Penetration" effect on it got reduced by 55%. FYI

According to the patch notes only the 1-4th pieces are affected. So spriggan/spinner should be unaffected

What other sets have spell and weapon pen?

Kraghs has physical pen. I've never really pen sets, so I have no idea

There isn't any 1-4 piece that have spell pen, so of course they are talking about those sets, plus probably twice fang snake. How about you load up the pts and check?

wot?

Edit: oh spell pen? No there's not

Lol.

Tryxus wrote: »

Flame Blossom (Light)
(2) Max Magicka
(3) Spell Damage
(4) Spell Penetration
(5) When you deal damage, you have a 10% chance to summon a line of flame that moves forward, dealing 8,000 Flame Damage to any enemy in its path. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

So you think they added a set then nerfed it right away? Lol

You might not understand how this works, as soon as they created Kraghs, they created 1/2/3/4 piece penetration value, just because a set didn't exist with it yet doesn't mean that value didn't exist.

Having checked the pts, kraghs is the only set to have changed. My original assumptions were wrong. My bad.

Malic · July 2017

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Break out the nirn weapons. Been a long time old friends.

ugh, this brings back HORRIBLE memories.

asa67dragoneb17_ESO · July 2017

Well...I almoust hit c160...was starting to " gear up "...and thus great news come out about major nerfs to traits...monster sets....I have NO diea what to put on magblade anymore XD

Beardimus · July 2017

Or glass half full, stop grinding and use the hoard of Maelstorm weopons you kept just in case that are now viable.

Change is good

RoyJade · July 2017

Just in case for pve :
- sharpened added a little more than 12% damage, and should now be down to 7%.
- precise/nirn were more or less 4%, and will now be near 6%.
It need testing, but sharp would still be BIS in term of raw damage. On a second hand, nirn is the only useful against shield and both nirn and precise also boost healings.

Glamdring · July 2017

RoyJade wrote: »

Just in case for pve :
- sharpened added a little more than 12% damage, and should now be down to 7%.
- precise/nirn were more or less 4%, and will now be near 6%.
It need testing, but sharp would still be BIS in term of raw damage. On a second hand, nirn is the only useful against shield and both nirn and precise also boost healings.

Sharp is down to 6%, it got cut in half.

Glamdring · July 2017

Nirn/Sharp for pvp and Precise/Sharp for pve seems to be new BiS

zaria · July 2017

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Not sure if sharp will be BIS anymore. Time to regrind those gold weps maybe?

They want players to put more CP into sharpen!

Has been thinking about this, after the CP nerf would not cp penetration be cheaper, perhaps not enough to put nirn back but at least enough to make non sharp maelstrom and set weapon viable, you have to sacrifice 1, perhaps 2% dps however.

Sheezabeast · July 2017

I like how they buffed Slimecraw!

Not sure why they nerfed Bloodspawn though....

Dymence · July 2017

The Lover: Now grants 2752 Physical and Spell Penetration instead of granting Spell Resistance.

This opens up new options to less fortunate people too, who have VMA precise weapons and don't have sharpened ones. 7 gold divine pieces will put the lover's pen at 4196 spell/phys pen and you'll get the 9% from precise. Going this route instead of the old sharpened thief you will trade in 4-5% crit for 1400~ pen

old_mufasa · July 2017

Ok.. so they want heavy armor meta to comeback even stronger I guess.....

Mazbt · July 2017

time to gold out my nirn lightning maelstrom staff that i've had for months