Disadvantage for people with longer sub models

josiahva · July 2017

umm...just dont go out and spend all your crowns at once...problem solved. Your self-restraint(or lack thereof) is NOT a ZoS problem.

Abeille · July 2017

I'm on the 6-month plan since ever. We have to plan accordingly and spend the crowns responsibly. This isn't much different than having to wait until the next month for your salary. You can say "but you can take a loan, or use a credit card!", sure, and you can buy more Crowns too, you are not restricted to your sub Crowns.

Myself, I am careful not to spend on permanent stuff to the point of falling under 5k - If I want something that isn't limited and that will make me fall under 5k, I wait for my next Crown allotment. The 5k mark is there in case I absolutely need something that is limited, and when I decided on it my calculations were based on the base price of two limited time mounts. I figured it would cover the top prices of anything I am interested in. So far so good.

sarbonn · July 2017

I like how they give them all at once. It means if I want to buy a bigger ticket item, I can have the crowns available the second that payment takes place. I'm pretty good at managing my own funds that I don't need it to be handed to me at monthly increments like a bad lottery winner who fears he might blow all of his cash on dumb stuff.

RANKK7 · July 2017

I didn't read but you got an awesome for the pic after "So... Yeah, that's all."

Absalon · July 2017

hahahahahahaha Really? Can't you just save your crowns?? LOOOOL

Mashille · July 2017

Absalon wrote: »

hahahahahahaha Really? Can't you just save your crowns?? LOOOOL

I'd appreciate you and others also reading my other comments on this thread as well as the original post as they make what I'm saying a bit clearer rather than just stating something that I have already responded to in the thread.

Diminish · July 2017

Why not use some self control and spend only 1500 crowns a month. Sounds like a personal problem to me.

kessik221 · July 2017

uh, what do you think the purpose of "limited time only" items are? to drive up sales. They don't want you to have enough with eso plus, they want you to spend MORE. *** would they give you the opportunity to get every item just from being a subscriber? It beats the entire purpose of having a cosmetic store to drive up sales.

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

What is hilarious about this thread is that if you had to wait for the 1500, these same people would complain that they need the crowns NOW for the limited item they want. Some people want to find anything to blame for their poor choices.

Graydon · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Bloody hell why is everyone acting like I am some raging idiot blaming ZOS for me spending my Crowns, literally all I asked for was an option for the 3 Month subscription crowns to to provided monthly rather than tri monthly.

Your thread title was "Long Term Subscribers are getting Screwed" or that effect.

Before you changed it.

Gothren · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

Probably because of your reasoning. You can't bring yourself to save your crowns over the months in case something good comes out as a limited option. You want ZOS to change how they do business to suit your needs.

I am asking for an option, that's all. This way people could choose what they prefer.

don't worry many people on the forums are very slow to realize this. we want different options how we receive crowns, but they somehow equate that to changing it to once a month.

Spacemonkey · July 2017

Gothren wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

I am asking for an option, that's all. This way people could choose what they prefer.

don't worry many people on the forums are very slow to realize this. we want different options how we receive crowns, but they somehow equate that to changing it to once a month.

Not really, different options on how you receive them would be i.e. to get them through some code redemption on their website or like..... through your local mail (LOL).

I can't believe I'm actually going to provide a logical explanation, this really is not needed:
The entire 1 month vs 6 months debated is not a matter of how crowns are received. You PAY for 6 months up front, and they give you 6 months worth of service upfront. period. You cannot choose to use your 6 months separately as stand alone months of subscription throughout the year. That isn't the deal. Because of this, you get the crowns upfront also (obviously). Imagine for example that the service changes halfway through your sub. And + members now get 1000 crowns a month. Should you be getting only 1000 crowns a month only for the last 3 months on your sub? No, obviously, and you'd be raging if they did. But what about the other way around, if they increase it to 2000? All of a sudden you'll be claiming you're missing 500 crowns on your 'monthly' crowns when you aren't, because you did not pay for a monthly service, you paid for a tri-monthly service or 6 months etc... ZOS gains absolutely nothing in enabling options to receive crowns that are already paid for at different rates. They LOSE resources in doing so, in forms of customer service that needs to be provided to all those that change their minds , that want the rest now, or the rest later, or that go inactive or that etc.... YOU as players GAIN nothing and LOSE nothing either way. You have the exact same amount of crowns at the moment of purchase for the period you paid for. Nothing more nothing less. You have absolute total power in what you do with the crowns within the limits of the game as is exactly advertised in every possible way. If you wish to budget your crowns to a maximum of exactly 5 crowns a week, that is entirely in your power to do so. The current formula provides you with the most liberty in your management of the crowns that come with the service you bought.

TO CLARIFY:
-> You are not purchasing several recurring one month subscription at a discount price.
-> You are purchasing a recurring MULTI-month service at a higher price.

Mashille · July 2017

I find it strange how, just because I bought 1 or 2 items for crowns that weren't on sale for a limited time I have 'no self control'.

So I should never buy anything that's not being sold for limited time only?

Judas Helviaryn · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

I find it strange how, just because I bought 1 or 2 items for crowns that weren't on sale for a limited time I have 'no self control'.

So I should never buy anything that's not being sold for limited time only?

Again, you were complaining about never having crowns for limited time sales, while at the same time spending all of your crowns immediately.

Wake up.

Stop playing the victim, stop hearing what you only want to hear, and save your crowns. Do not spend them all at once, if you're planning on waiting for limited time sales later on.

At this point, I'm unsure as to whether you're lying to yourself, or just trolling the forum.

CMFan1966 · July 2017

@Mashille I'm not going to hurl abuse at you. I understand where you are coming from being on the 180 sub cycle. It's hard to budget for something you don't know is going to be in the store, how long it's going to be there or how much it's going to cost.

A little more advance notice of limited time only offers might be nice. Or quit having limited time offer stuff and just put the stuff for sale in the store. I think those are both good options.

Mashille · July 2017

@Judas Helviaryn

I am gonna listen to people's advice and start saving my crowns more.

But the opinion that just because I bought something a month earlier that I likes, means I have, as so many people have put it, 'no self control' baffles me. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has spent their crowns on something then had a limited time sale come up.

You're telling me that you and none of your friends have ever bought something with crowns then had a limited sale pop up a few weeks later?

Gothren · July 2017

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Gothren wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

I am asking for an option, that's all. This way people could choose what they prefer.

don't worry many people on the forums are very slow to realize this. we want different options how we receive crowns, but they somehow equate that to changing it to once a month.

Not really, different options on how you receive them would be i.e. to get them through some code redemption on their website or like..... through your local mail (LOL).

I can't believe I'm actually going to provide a logical explanation, this really is not needed:
The entire 1 month vs 6 months debated is not a matter of how crowns are received. You PAY for 6 months up front, and they give you 6 months worth of service upfront. period. You cannot choose to use your 6 months separately as stand alone months of subscription throughout the year. That isn't the deal. Because of this, you get the crowns upfront also (obviously). Imagine for example that the service changes halfway through your sub. And + members now get 1000 crowns a month. Should you be getting only 1000 crowns a month only for the last 3 months on your sub? No, obviously, and you'd be raging if they did. But what about the other way around, if they increase it to 2000? All of a sudden you'll be claiming you're missing 500 crowns on your 'monthly' crowns when you aren't, because you did not pay for a monthly service, you paid for a tri-monthly service or 6 months etc... ZOS gains absolutely nothing in enabling options to receive crowns that are already paid for at different rates. They LOSE resources in doing so, in forms of customer service that needs to be provided to all those that change their minds , that want the rest now, or the rest later, or that go inactive or that etc.... YOU as players GAIN nothing and LOSE nothing either way. You have the exact same amount of crowns at the moment of purchase for the period you paid for. Nothing more nothing less. You have absolute total power in what you do with the crowns within the limits of the game as is exactly advertised in every possible way. If you wish to budget your crowns to a maximum of exactly 5 crowns a week, that is entirely in your power to do so. The current formula provides you with the most liberty in your management of the crowns that come with the service you bought.

TO CLARIFY:
-> You are not purchasing several recurring one month subscription at a discount price.
-> You are purchasing a recurring MULTI-month service at a higher price.

you are MISSING the point entirely. if you had the option to take your entire salary for one year rather than recieving 12 payments a year then yes that would be beneficial to a certain extent do to the time value of money. However, there are some consumers who want an option every month to recieve payments of crowns to have better control of how we spend our own crowns. there is nothing weird or unusally about that. We as consumers and supporters of ZOS's content should have an option to receive our crowns monthly if we chose to. In addition, we as LOYAL consumers have locked our future support of the developers and this game by purchasing several months in advance. Why it irks you that some consumers wish to do this is beyond me. Many businesses reward their loyal customers by offering them different options if they pay in advance.And more importantly, its none of your concern how I spend or recieve my crowns. Im not paying you a dime so just take a chill pill.

Judas Helviaryn · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

@Judas Helviaryn

I am gonna listen to people's advice and start saving my crowns more.

But the opinion that just because I bought something a month earlier that I likes, means I have, as so many people have put it, 'no self control' baffles me. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has spent their crowns on something then had a limited time sale come up.

You're telling me that you and none of your friends have ever bought something with crowns then had a limited sale pop up a few weeks later?

I can't speak for my friends, but I have purchased something with my limited amount of crowns, and had something limited pop up later that I realized I wanted. A couple of times. The difference here, is I accepted it for what it was, and either bought more crowns, or sucked it up and took responsibility, realizing that I already had enough with what I spent before.

Good things come and go. There's always more opportunities later.

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

@Judas Helviaryn

I am gonna listen to people's advice and start saving my crowns more.

But the opinion that just because I bought something a month earlier that I likes, means I have, as so many people have put it, 'no self control' baffles me. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has spent their crowns on something then had a limited time sale come up.

You're telling me that you and none of your friends have ever bought something with crowns then had a limited sale pop up a few weeks later?

The person with no self control is the one who has to have his crowns arrive at a trickle due to no ability to forego a 15th mount.

Also, personally, I would do some major introspection if the only thing that stopped me from buying something is not having the resources.

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

Gothren wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Gothren wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

I am asking for an option, that's all. This way people could choose what they prefer.

don't worry many people on the forums are very slow to realize this. we want different options how we receive crowns, but they somehow equate that to changing it to once a month.

Not really, different options on how you receive them would be i.e. to get them through some code redemption on their website or like..... through your local mail (LOL).

I can't believe I'm actually going to provide a logical explanation, this really is not needed:
The entire 1 month vs 6 months debated is not a matter of how crowns are received. You PAY for 6 months up front, and they give you 6 months worth of service upfront. period. You cannot choose to use your 6 months separately as stand alone months of subscription throughout the year. That isn't the deal. Because of this, you get the crowns upfront also (obviously). Imagine for example that the service changes halfway through your sub. And + members now get 1000 crowns a month. Should you be getting only 1000 crowns a month only for the last 3 months on your sub? No, obviously, and you'd be raging if they did. But what about the other way around, if they increase it to 2000? All of a sudden you'll be claiming you're missing 500 crowns on your 'monthly' crowns when you aren't, because you did not pay for a monthly service, you paid for a tri-monthly service or 6 months etc... ZOS gains absolutely nothing in enabling options to receive crowns that are already paid for at different rates. They LOSE resources in doing so, in forms of customer service that needs to be provided to all those that change their minds , that want the rest now, or the rest later, or that go inactive or that etc.... YOU as players GAIN nothing and LOSE nothing either way. You have the exact same amount of crowns at the moment of purchase for the period you paid for. Nothing more nothing less. You have absolute total power in what you do with the crowns within the limits of the game as is exactly advertised in every possible way. If you wish to budget your crowns to a maximum of exactly 5 crowns a week, that is entirely in your power to do so. The current formula provides you with the most liberty in your management of the crowns that come with the service you bought.

TO CLARIFY:
-> You are not purchasing several recurring one month subscription at a discount price.
-> You are purchasing a recurring MULTI-month service at a higher price.

you are MISSING the point entirely. if you had the option to take your entire salary for one year rather than recieving 12 payments a year then yes that would be beneficial to a certain extent do to the time value of money. However, there are some consumers who want an option every month to recieve payments of crowns to have better control of how we spend our own crowns. there is nothing weird or unusally about that. We as consumers and supporters of ZOS's content should have an option to receive our crowns monthly if we chose to. In addition, we as LOYAL consumers have locked our future support of the developers and this game by purchasing several months in advance. Why it irks you that some consumers wish to do this is beyond me. Many businesses reward their loyal customers by offering them different options if they pay in advance.And more importantly, its none of your concern how I spend or recieve my crowns. Im not paying you a dime so just take a chill pill.

It doesn't matter if consumers want weird things. Companies aren't going to make their offerings overly complex for quirky people. I get it. Some people want to be saved from themselves by holding back temptation. But more options means more changes for problems. And it really is not needed in this case. Crowns are tied to the PURCHASE. If you buy 90 days, you buy 90 days. You do not re-sub each month. There is no event each month to trigger crowns being sent out. I don't see a company wanting to add the complexity you want in order to distribute crowns in installments when you paid up front.

Also, I would gladly take my salary at the beginning of the year. That means I can, at the very least, get a ton of interest income on my salary. The smart financial move is almost always to get money now. It is better to pay on tax day than to get a return. The only different is that if you get a return, you gave the government an interest free loan for your overpayment into federal withhold.

If you receive your crowns monthly instead of when you buy them, you have less control, not "better control". If the item you want is on sale right away, you don't have the crowns yet and it is out of your control. If you receive all the crowns now, you can choose what to spend it on.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

You can just switch to monthly billing. You're only saving $1 per month with the 3-month sub.

newtinmpls · July 2017

rustic_potato wrote: »

ROFL. Self control is a thing normal people have.

Ah... then I'm not normal. (this is not a shock to anyone, I'm sure)

OTOH I have compensations.

I tend to vacillate about Crown store stuff, so I usually buy it minimally. However I have no problem at all throwing tons of extra crowns at my sweetie's account 'cause I want him to have every little thing his heart desires.

Sevalaricgirl · July 2017

Honestly, I haven't seen any limited time offers that I felt were worth the cash even the wizard house. If I did, I would probably pick it up.

Kodrac · July 2017

You know what sucks? My 6 month sub renewed a couple weeks before Morrowind dropped. Then when I got to play it, I hated it. So now I have 5 months left of a sub I won't use. Doubt I can get a refund. Oh well, live and learn.

rustic_potato · July 2017

newtinmpls wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

ROFL. Self control is a thing normal people have.

Ah... then I'm not normal. (this is not a shock to anyone, I'm sure)

OTOH I have compensations.

I tend to vacillate about Crown store stuff, so I usually buy it minimally. However I have no problem at all throwing tons of extra crowns at my sweetie's account 'cause I want him to have every little thing his heart desires.

Lol. You have way more self control than what OP does. If you have excess money to spend and you choose to spend it on something that gives you satisfaction it is perfectly acceptable. If you don't and then you spend what you have on something stupid then you have yourself to blame.

Mashille · July 2017

@rustic_potato

(sigh) I think you misread what I said. I do have the money to easily buy more crowns to get the costume that I liked however I don't want to as it feels inefficient when I get them with eso plus. Why would I be subscribed to ESO plus if I didn't have the money? Try to clarify things before randomly assuming.

Gothren · July 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Gothren wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Gothren wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

I am asking for an option, that's all. This way people could choose what they prefer.

don't worry many people on the forums are very slow to realize this. we want different options how we receive crowns, but they somehow equate that to changing it to once a month.

Not really, different options on how you receive them would be i.e. to get them through some code redemption on their website or like..... through your local mail (LOL).

I can't believe I'm actually going to provide a logical explanation, this really is not needed:
The entire 1 month vs 6 months debated is not a matter of how crowns are received. You PAY for 6 months up front, and they give you 6 months worth of service upfront. period. You cannot choose to use your 6 months separately as stand alone months of subscription throughout the year. That isn't the deal. Because of this, you get the crowns upfront also (obviously). Imagine for example that the service changes halfway through your sub. And + members now get 1000 crowns a month. Should you be getting only 1000 crowns a month only for the last 3 months on your sub? No, obviously, and you'd be raging if they did. But what about the other way around, if they increase it to 2000? All of a sudden you'll be claiming you're missing 500 crowns on your 'monthly' crowns when you aren't, because you did not pay for a monthly service, you paid for a tri-monthly service or 6 months etc... ZOS gains absolutely nothing in enabling options to receive crowns that are already paid for at different rates. They LOSE resources in doing so, in forms of customer service that needs to be provided to all those that change their minds , that want the rest now, or the rest later, or that go inactive or that etc.... YOU as players GAIN nothing and LOSE nothing either way. You have the exact same amount of crowns at the moment of purchase for the period you paid for. Nothing more nothing less. You have absolute total power in what you do with the crowns within the limits of the game as is exactly advertised in every possible way. If you wish to budget your crowns to a maximum of exactly 5 crowns a week, that is entirely in your power to do so. The current formula provides you with the most liberty in your management of the crowns that come with the service you bought.

TO CLARIFY:
-> You are not purchasing several recurring one month subscription at a discount price.
-> You are purchasing a recurring MULTI-month service at a higher price.

you are MISSING the point entirely. if you had the option to take your entire salary for one year rather than recieving 12 payments a year then yes that would be beneficial to a certain extent do to the time value of money. However, there are some consumers who want an option every month to recieve payments of crowns to have better control of how we spend our own crowns. there is nothing weird or unusally about that. We as consumers and supporters of ZOS's content should have an option to receive our crowns monthly if we chose to. In addition, we as LOYAL consumers have locked our future support of the developers and this game by purchasing several months in advance. Why it irks you that some consumers wish to do this is beyond me. Many businesses reward their loyal customers by offering them different options if they pay in advance.And more importantly, its none of your concern how I spend or recieve my crowns. Im not paying you a dime so just take a chill pill.

It doesn't matter if consumers want weird things. Companies aren't going to make their offerings overly complex for quirky people. I get it. Some people want to be saved from themselves by holding back temptation. But more options means more changes for problems. And it really is not needed in this case. Crowns are tied to the PURCHASE. If you buy 90 days, you buy 90 days. You do not re-sub each month. There is no event each month to trigger crowns being sent out. I don't see a company wanting to add the complexity you want in order to distribute crowns in installments when you paid up front.

Also, I would gladly take my salary at the beginning of the year. That means I can, at the very least, get a ton of interest income on my salary. The smart financial move is almost always to get money now. It is better to pay on tax day than to get a return. The only different is that if you get a return, you gave the government an interest free loan for your overpayment into federal withhold.

If you receive your crowns monthly instead of when you buy them, you have less control, not "better control". If the item you want is on sale right away, you don't have the crowns yet and it is out of your control. If you receive all the crowns now, you can choose what to spend it on.

I think you are not very business minded if you think that way. My company and pretty much all my competitors offer numerous package deals for paying in advance. I know this is hard for you to understand that customers get something called OPTIONS on where and when they recieve their merchandise.

As for investing your salary at the beginning of the year, that would not be for everyone because if you lose everything and / or alot of your money then you would in theory still need to payback your employer for those unearned wages.

I also buy crowns on top of my eso membership. and i prefer a steady stream of crowns each month. Ill say it again its none of your business what other customers want in their package deals.

Enemoriana · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

I find it strange how, just because I bought 1 or 2 items for crowns that weren't on sale for a limited time I have 'no self control'.

So I should never buy anything that's not being sold for limited time only?

If you want not to miss limited items - just buy not limited only when you have MORE crowns then needed for it. Think how much you may need for limited and don't spend that amount of crowns on not limited. Just a bit patience to wait until you can spend your crowns.
See?
Not "I want thing for X crowns, I have X crowns, I buy it - oh no, there is something limited now!" ,
but "I'm ready to spend Y crowns on limited offers, and I want thing for X crowns, when I'll have X+Y crowns - I'll buy it".

And, yes, it would be much worse to receive only 1500 when having longer sub, and then see 2000-crowns limited item.

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

There is no schedule of crown disbursement that solves the problem.

The core problem is that you do not know what will be offered in the future and how much it will cost. The only solution is learn to be okay with not buying everything that piques your interest.

Magdalina · July 2017

The option you want is already there, it's a one-month subscription option.

That aside, just set yourself a limit. Like Idk say 3k crowns seems plenty to me. And never spend enough on non-limited time items to drop below 3k. This way you will always have enough crowns for limited time stuff AND be able to spend crowns on non limited time stuff as well. Not trying to be rude but it is a budget management issue; if anything, longer sub people have an advantage because they have MORE crowns at once rather than one month people who might only have 1.5k at the start of their sub then see a 3k mount they really want.The only issue is you have to realize that if you want limited time items you cannot spend all of your crowns at once.

Generally options are a good thing but I feel in this case you're asking to "solution" for a problem you're creating yourself. Not just is Zeni extremely unlikely to solve it for you but I feel it is not a good attitude to require outside assistance for issues easily solve-able on your own.