Disadvantage for people with longer sub models

zula_the_bear · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Hey,
I would prefer if the 90 day and 180 day Subscription model users could get their 1500 Crowns every month for 3 months rather than 4500 at the start of each payment period.

Mashille wrote: »

Also, wow. I spent my crowns on things that I wanted prior to the limited time sales. I think last month I bought a motif I didn't know for a Master Writ, the statements saying I shouldn't buy things and have more 'self control' by just waiting for the sales are ridiculous as then I would never getting around to buying the things I'd like that aren't on limited time?

Let's assume for a moment that the crowns would be payed out in 1-month intervalls, as you suggested. In that scenario you wouldn't have had enough crowns to buy that motif you'd wanted. As a consequence you would have most likely gone to the forums and complained about not getting all crowns upfront.

People just love to complain.
PS: What you're looking for is not a divine intervention from ZOS, but personal finance responsibility.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2017

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

Really? Save your crowns.

We also know all the limited time offers besides the houses go straight back into the rng crates, so technically you can still get them

Mashille · July 2017

Bloody hell why is everyone acting like I am some raging idiot blaming ZOS for me spending my Crowns, literally all I asked for was an option for the 3 Month subscription crowns to to provided monthly rather than tri monthly.

Tandor · July 2017

I don't doubt that if the crowns were issued monthly when the subscription payment was made entirely upfront then there'd be no end of posts complaining about disgraceful cash-grabbing tactics. If you pay upfront, you should get the benefits upfront too.

Gothren · July 2017

im in the same boat and would much rather have crowns every month rather than one lump sum.

Judas Helviaryn · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Bloody hell why is everyone acting like I am some raging idiot blaming ZOS for me spending my Crowns, literally all I asked for was an option for the 3 Month subscription crowns to to provided monthly rather than tri monthly.

Because you backed up your request with reasons like:

"Many times, due to the Crowns only being given at the start of each 3 Month period it means me and others like myself get screwed over whenever there is a limited time sale and we have already spent our crowns on other things a month prior."

Mashille · July 2017

zula_the_bear wrote: »

Let's assume for a moment that the crowns would be payed out in 1-month intervalls, as you suggested. In that scenario you wouldn't have had enough crowns to buy that motif you'd wanted. As a consequence you would have most likely gone to the forums and complained about not getting all crowns upfront.

I disagree with your point here as, because the motif wasn't limited time, if I really wanted it I could save up as it wouldn't leave the crown store, then, in the process of saving up the limited time sale would happen, I'd buy the limited time costume and the only consequence would be having to weight an extra month for buying the Motif that I wanted

Tan9oSuccka · July 2017

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

You think you have problems? I pre-purchased 2 years worth of ESO+, just for the crowns, and I spent all my crowns in less than 6 months.

Nah, that's my own fault though.

And before anyone tries to insinuate something, I'm not some overweight gambling addict neckbeard living in my parents' basement using their credit cards to buy crown crates. I have my own basement and my own credit cards, thank you very much.

But what about the neckbeard???!

GreyWolf_79 · July 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

You think you have problems? I pre-purchased 2 years worth of ESO+, just for the crowns, and I spent all my crowns in less than 6 months.

Nah, that's my own fault though.

And before anyone tries to insinuate something, I'm not some overweight gambling addict neckbeard living in my parents' basement using their credit cards to buy crown crates. I have my own basement and my own credit cards, thank you very much.

But what about the neckbeard???!

I have a goatee

Mashille · July 2017

Hmm,

I am really close to breaking down here (Cos I get emotional easily) because I spoke to everyone in the post with respect and simply talked about why I would like what I posted about and 90% of the responses I get are people acting like complete *** towards me as if I'm some self entitled person raging about something. Maybe I am in the wrong here and other are in the right but, it's possible to be right without being an *** towards the person who's wrong.

Judas Helviaryn · July 2017

Listen @Mashille , when you have almost twenty people, the majority in this thread, telling you they see an issue on your side? There's a good chance the issue is on your side.

Mashille wrote: »

Hmm,

I am really close to breaking down here (Cos I get emotional easily) because I spoke to everyone in the post with respect and simply talked about why I would like what I posted about and 90% of the responses I get are people acting like complete *** towards me as if I'm some self entitled person raging about something. Maybe I am in the wrong here and other are in the right but, it's possible to be right without being an *** towards the person who's wrong.

There were a couple of people being dismissive and disrespectful, but not the majority of us. Maybe you see our input as hostile because you don't want to hear it. You get emotional easily, and that's never a good sign for things like this. That's impulse control, which ties into your main issue of asset management.

Most of us aren't judging you.

I'm not.

I'm just trying to get you to realize that this isn't something anybody can fix, but you. It's absolutely human to get embarrassed, defensive, and hurt over it, but you have to power through that, and really see what the issue is.

Spacemonkey · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Also, wow. That is a alot of hostile responses to a fairly calm and light post. The arguments that I don't have 'self control' amuse me. I spent my crowns on things that I wanted prior to the limited time sales. I think last month I bought a motif I didn't know for a Master Writ, the statements saying I shouldn't buy things and have more 'self control' by just waiting for the sales are ridiculous as then I would never getting around to buying the things I'd like that aren't on limited time?

Whoa whoa, what hostility lol?
All I see is a majority of people lightly laughing at your own lack of control and somehow having troubling seeing that that is the issue here and asking ZOS for help about it. Call a spade a spade.

Loralai_907 · July 2017

I don't understand how splitting them out every month would have changed anything. Am I missing something? Is it that the thing would not have been purchased then, therefor there would be more crowns now? Is that it?

GreyWolf_79 · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Hmm,

I am really close to breaking down here (Cos I get emotional easily) because I spoke to everyone in the post with respect and simply talked about why I would like what I posted about and 90% of the responses I get are people acting like complete *** towards me as if I'm some self entitled person raging about something. Maybe I am in the wrong here and other are in the right but, it's possible to be right without being an *** towards the person who's wrong.

I apologize if you took my comments as some sort of attack? They weren't meant as such.

I don't know if I'd necessarily say that you're in the wrong - if you prefer to have your crowns doled out in installments, rather than a lump sum, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. For me, however, I purchased the sub specifically for the lump sum of crowns, so that I could buy and furnish houses. It would irritate me if I had to wait several months to be able to buy what I want.

What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2017

What Swtor does is they allow you to overlap payments so if you don't want to purchase CC directly you can add more sub time on for the monthly CC's instead but ESO doesn't do that wish they did.

Acrolas · July 2017

ZOS printed retail Morrowind upgrade cards for console. No box, just scratch and use codes.

So I don't see why they can't print batches of retail ESO+ cards. It would be a convenient way for current members to buy crowns and simultaneously extend their subscriptions. You're simply trading up the bulk crown discount for other perks.

Sure, somebody may go to Target and use their red card and save a few dollars per purchase. But after Amazon blowing out Morrowind CE boxes for $30 and ZOS already doing one Morrowind sale on their own site... so what? It's not the end of the world if a customer feels better about a purchase. Seriously.

Judas Helviaryn · July 2017

Acrolas wrote: »

ZOS printed retail Morrowind upgrade cards for console. No box, just scratch and use codes.

So I don't see why they can't print batches of retail ESO+ cards. It would be a convenient way for current members to buy crowns and simultaneously extend their subscriptions. You're simply trading up the bulk crown discount for other perks.

Sure, somebody may go to Target and use their red card and save a few dollars per purchase. But after Amazon blowing out Morrowind CE boxes for $30 and ZOS already doing one Morrowind sale on their own site... so what? It's not the end of the world if a customer feels better about a purchase. Seriously.

You can actually purchase crown codes from certain retailers, like GameStop, which will be printed off on your receipt. I've done that exactly once. Easy peasy.

EDIT: And generally, you don't see sales on gift or timecards for a reason. They're not offered by the pertinent business, and very, very rarely by the retailers themselves.

Aurie · July 2017

One thing emerges here, OP's budget skills apart, as I think most of us have made our point on that subject......limited time items that are only available for four or so days can and do make things difficult for some players.

It's not just a matter of finance control, but also that as some have pointed out, if you happen to be AFK for those four days then you are screwed anyway.

A few people have suggested two weeks as being a reasonable time for limited items. I do agree with this. Maybe @ZOS could look into it?

Minyassa · July 2017

I would rather have them all at once in one big lump sum, I'm glad they do that. I was mad when LOTRO quit doing that with their subscribers.

Vaoh · July 2017

I can't believe I'm gonna defend ZOS and their Crown Store right now, but this issue is 100% your fault OP.

ZOS did nothing wrong here. You need to learn some self-control. It's even worse that you've felt it necessary to create a thread about this.

mrdiamond666 · July 2017

I like the lump sum.

Sevalaricgirl · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Bloody hell why is everyone acting like I am some raging idiot blaming ZOS for me spending my Crowns, literally all I asked for was an option for the 3 Month subscription crowns to to provided monthly rather than tri monthly.

Probably because of your reasoning. You can't bring yourself to save your crowns over the months in case something good comes out as a limited option. You want ZOS to change how they do business to suit your needs.

Mashille · July 2017

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

Probably because of your reasoning. You can't bring yourself to save your crowns over the months in case something good comes out as a limited option. You want ZOS to change how they do business to suit your needs.

I am asking for an option, that's all. This way people could choose what they prefer.

smacx250 · July 2017

No Thank You! If you look at what happens over 180 days, starting from zero crowns and not spending any, the 180 day sub gives you an average of 9000 crowns on hand on any given day, where as the 30 day sub only gives you an average of 5250 crowns on hand. With the 180 day sub, if a limited time offer comes up on any given day for 5K crowns, you have a 100% chance to have enough crowns on hand. With the 30 day sub, you only a 50% chance! So one is in a much better position to have crowns on hand to buy something of significance with the 180 day sub than with the 30 day sub. That is, unless you decide to blow it all, which is your decision, so please accept the responsibility for your own actions and don't screw it up for the rest of us!

mrdiamond666 · July 2017

I know when I do my next 3 month sub, Ill probably spend them all right away, as well as add the cheapest crown package to get the Banker, and I'm cool with being crownless for 3 months till my next sub. I had 500 crowns in my account, and when I got my sub I bought the merchant and I'm very happy with her. Great for selling on the fly. It's a shame the fence you unlock still acts like the ones in the TG and doesnt have it's own limit of selling/fencing. They both share the same counter.... And others cant use her like the banker and merchant. At least she was free unlock. I would want a refund if I paid REAL $$$ for her.

NyassaV · July 2017

They are going a bit overboard with the limited time sales

Transairion · July 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

Probably because of your reasoning. You can't bring yourself to save your crowns over the months in case something good comes out as a limited option. You want ZOS to change how they do business to suit your needs.

I am asking for an option, that's all. This way people could choose what they prefer.

The option already exists: subscribe 1 month at a time, renewing each month.

1500 every month, to save or spend as you choose. Someone else already suggested it in this very topic.

You can't have the special reduced price of X-months-at-a-time AND only get Crowns when you want said Crowns.

rotaugen454 · July 2017

When I get paid by my employer, I purposely don't spend it all at once. That way, I don't have to tell them to pay me at more intervals.

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

This thread seems surreal to me.

Crowns do not expire. You do not have to spend them. Learn to save. Learn to hold off gratification now for something better in the future. Learn to do it here and it will pay off more generally.

DMuehlhausen · July 2017

oaflet wrote: »

How are you getting screwed though? You're getting the exact same amount of crowns as everyone else. Your complaint seems to be about individual crown management; it's not up to ZOS to do that for you.

they believe they are because when there is a limited time offer at the end of say August they have spent their crowns and have to wait till Sept or whatever to get the next set of 4500 crowns.

I see the point, but at the same time you knwo there could be stuff you want later down the line and you need to control yourself.

Why they can't just give them 1500/month though since they are ESO+ members doesn't make much sense. Since they pay for the 90 days in one chunk even they quit and cancelled after getting that third month they still paid for the month technically