Trait research times need to be toned down

mewcatus · July 2017

Yes

I voted yes, but I believe a simple time reduction is too bland. It has to be something more interesting. For example, keep the timing same, but everytime a player picks up/gather a resource, a random trait loses another 5 seconds on the research time.

ScytheNL · July 2017

Yes

Voxicity wrote: »

Yeah not gonna happen or all of us who researched them the long way WILL revolt

You're probably going to hate me then, since I bought the Crown edition new for € 9,99 while other people paid € 69 when it was just out.

The game is a few years old. The 'Master crafters' have had all this time to enjoy their monopoly and make money from it. All the people that already have Master Crafter are probably all relatively rich anyway. So there is no reason not to ease it up a bit now.

You sound like my older brother always whining at my parents when he was a kid that I got to do things at an earlier age than him... "But I only got to go on holiday alone when I was 17, why does he get to go at 15?" Well, because you survived your holiday and thus paved the way for me, thanks.

unjulationb16_ESO · July 2017

if they nurf resurch i demand somthing after all that time spent on it...........

not that i know what but just a nod of respect for us peeeps who took the long way round

just jokeing, maybe.............

Midori_Oku · July 2017

No

Well, there are research scrolls now. That in itself cuts research time in half if you use one every single day. What more do you want?

Anunakis · July 2017

No

ScytheNL wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Yeah not gonna happen or all of us who researched them the long way WILL revolt

You're probably going to hate me then, since I bought the Crown edition new for € 9,99 while other people paid € 69 when it was just out.

The game is a few years old. The 'Master crafters' have had all this time to enjoy their monopoly and make money from it. All the people that already have Master Crafter are probably all relatively rich anyway. So there is no reason not to ease it up a bit now.

You sound like my older brother always whining at my parents when he was a kid that I got to do things at an earlier age than him... "But I only got to go on holiday alone when I was 17, why does he get to go at 15?" Well, because you survived your holiday and thus paved the way for me, thanks.

there is no monopoly here for crafting , drop sets are a way more better then crafted , alchemy and cooking isnt time expensive to learn

MattT1988 · July 2017

No

Remag_Div wrote: »

I'd like to bump this thread and see how everyone reacted when ZOS released the research time scrolls in the Crown Store.

Everyone freaked out in this thread when I made it so I'm going to assume people were not thrilled when they learned you could pay cash to become a max crafter. Then again, it would take a ton of cash to level everything up from scratch.

Mods don't like it when you bump old threads like this. Should of just started a new one. Your probably going to get a message and a warning.

As for the topic. I really don't see any need to change it. I'll be a bit annoyed if they sell these shortcuts in the crown store, got no problem with them being writ rewards though.

GiuEliN0 · July 2017

No

no sir.

ScytheNL · July 2017

Yes

unjulationb16_ESO wrote: »

if they nurf resurch i demand somthing after all that time spent on it...........

not that i know what but just a nod of respect for us peeeps who took the long way round

just jokeing, maybe.............

You didn't 'Spend time on it' though. You just put something in research and waited

Meld777 · July 2017

No

This isn't vMA. It's not like you have a 0.4% chance to have the trait granted once the research is complete. You have an objective and a timeline. Suck it up.

And there's more than enough 9-trait crafters out there, if you want your gear instantly. When I was doing my trait research, there were no passives for 30-day caps yet, and ESO Plus didn't exist either. 8th trait took 32 days and 9th took 64 days. Don't cry unless there's RNG involved.

TheRegHD · July 2017

Yes

Yes, but it is a double-edged sword.

The people declining due to their own time priorly invested have to get over themselves. Researching is a beast beyond belief for new players, or players that have recently reached level cap.

But, at the same time, you can pay people to craft the items you need for you. A fair amount of guilds have spreadsheets displaying crafters within the guild, and their capabilities. However, I would like it if everyone could experience the fun crafting can be and the dynamic it adds to hoarding crafting materials, which is quite rugged as of now as gaining entry into efficient crafting is timely and annoying.

Zenzuki · July 2017

ScytheNL wrote: »

unjulationb16_ESO wrote: »

if they nurf resurch i demand somthing after all that time spent on it...........

not that i know what but just a nod of respect for us peeeps who took the long way round

just jokeing, maybe.............

You didn't 'Spend time on it' though. You just put something in research and waited

Yep! So it won't be that big a deal when it's the same for you!

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

No

I was so happy when I finally had everything researched, and could go on ahead freeing up those skill points. To this very day, I always tell new players to get involved with crafting as soon as possible. After all, I'm glad that I did. Lmao. 9-traits in everything, I know most motifs and recipes, I can craft my own pots and food whenever I want, etc. It's amazing.

Chalinal · July 2017

No

I'm sorry, but no. That is the largest part of what makes 9-trait crafters great. They are not a dime a dozen, and the time and effort put in to crafting for over a year to become a 9-trait crafter is what people recognize and reward with tips or paying crafting fees. It is already bad enough that these research scrolls came in (I know it is to catch people up, but still irks those that had to do it the hard and extremely long way).

Kurkikohtaus · July 2017

Yes

Voxicity wrote: »

Yeah not gonna happen or all of us who researched them the long way WILL revolt

And what is that going to do?

It is a standard procedure in MMOs that things take long / are harder at the beginning, and with subsequent patches they get shorter / are toned down. The prospect of getting to 9 traits for new players at this point is very dauting.

Aurielle · July 2017

InFernalEntity wrote: »

not the way Zo$ have already tried to do it by selling research time reductions in the Crown store (for anyone that doesn't know...400 crowns takes 1 day off all your research under one skill for example 1 day off all 3 blacksmith traits your researching).

A serious overhaul. I'd even be fine if they reduced it to a 25 day cap. Sure it's not a lot but it would make a huge difference.

You know you can get those research time reduction things with master writ vouchers, right? IIRC they go for three vouchers each, so it's not like it's an oppressive cost or anything.

ScytheNL · July 2017

Yes

Zenzuki wrote: »

ScytheNL wrote: »

unjulationb16_ESO wrote: »

if they nurf resurch i demand somthing after all that time spent on it...........

not that i know what but just a nod of respect for us peeeps who took the long way round

just jokeing, maybe.............

You didn't 'Spend time on it' though. You just put something in research and waited

Yep! So it won't be that big a deal when it's the same for you!

Nope. You see, you're missing the point of the thread. Thread says the time is TOO LONG. As opposed to 'Have to work too hard'. No you don't have to WORK TOO HARD, you just have to WAIT TOO LONG.

Feel the difference? Don't even pretend anyone worked for 9-trait

randomkeyhits · July 2017

No

I don't see any need for any further improvements and I'm still at the six to eight known traits stage myself, no nines yet and on several toons.

The in game perks drastically speed things up and for the truly impatient there is now a crown store option as well.

There is no micro-management involved and you don't even have to be playing the game between kicking off the next research.

I'm too busy playing the game to worry about the research timers. They are done when they are done.

Feanor · July 2017

No

I'd rather have mount training shortened instead. Having 9 traits is kind of pointless at the moment as there are not that many great crafted sets anyway.

purple-magicb16_ESO · July 2017

No

They already are. You have to buy the scrolls.

Also get the passive that reduces research times.

Insomnia rex · July 2017

No

They already did when they introduced research scrolls, it was effectively (yes, you have to work for it) cut down by half, even more if you bother to optimise it.

purple-magicb16_ESO · July 2017

No

ScytheNL wrote: »

Zenzuki wrote: »

ScytheNL wrote: »

unjulationb16_ESO wrote: »

if they nurf resurch i demand somthing after all that time spent on it...........

not that i know what but just a nod of respect for us peeeps who took the long way round

just jokeing, maybe.............

You didn't 'Spend time on it' though. You just put something in research and waited

Yep! So it won't be that big a deal when it's the same for you!

Nope. You see, you're missing the point of the thread. Thread says the time is TOO LONG. As opposed to 'Have to work too hard'. No you don't have to WORK TOO HARD, you just have to WAIT TOO LONG.

Feel the difference? Don't even pretend anyone worked for 9-trait

That's a really good point. There should be some work involved with research. For example, going into a dwemer delve to retrieve an ancient artifact which can also reduce research times. I'd be up for that. Maybe or maybe not a full-on quest, but something else to make it a little more interesting.

Or maybe finding a master in a remote location to train from.

Yakidafi · July 2017

No

These new eso kids are spoiled and have no patience, you know when I was young we played with hard content, veteran lvls and and sometimes not even rewards for it all.

x_t7ink_x · July 2017

No

Hell no! New players already have the ability to catch up quickly with your characters but those of us who have been here since day one have put real time and effort into crafting, we have done that year and a half of research, it's an no and you should have to work for the best things - not handed everything on a platter!! There's already vouchers for you to increase your research time which turns it into pay to play which I'm not overly impressed with. You want the results put in the work. Going to turn into a generation of want it now gamers and ruin know forever

Chilly-McFreeze · July 2017

No

ScytheNL wrote: »

Zenzuki wrote: »

ScytheNL wrote: »

unjulationb16_ESO wrote: »

if they nurf resurch i demand somthing after all that time spent on it...........

not that i know what but just a nod of respect for us peeeps who took the long way round

just jokeing, maybe.............

You didn't 'Spend time on it' though. You just put something in research and waited

Yep! So it won't be that big a deal when it's the same for you!

Nope. You see, you're missing the point of the thread. Thread says the time is TOO LONG. As opposed to 'Have to work too hard'. No you don't have to WORK TOO HARD, you just have to WAIT TOO LONG.

Feel the difference? Don't even pretend anyone worked for 9-trait

Actually you can do something (read: work) to lower the research time. You can do master writs, get vouchers and buy research scrolls with it that effectifely cuts down the time in half. OR you could farm gold and buy these scrolls in a guild store near you. But I see, you only write about work involved but actually you just want something for free. Don't know why you keep ignoring this option. Maybe because it doesn't fit your agenda.

idk · July 2017

No

Raeph wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

Doing hard time makes you more appreciative

Makes it more of a value. Also, only has to be done on one character. Not like this is needed for each character someone roles. I guess some players do not understand that not everyone wants everything easy and instant.

But there is nothing difficult about it. It's a completely passive activity with an arbitrary time period. That's like saying it's difficult to make compost.

Exactly. It is not difficult which is exactly why it does not need to be changed. Just takes a little bit of management and dedication to see it through.

drakhan2002_ESO · July 2017

No

@Remag_Div

No, research timers are correct. You should feel the same pain as the rest of us who suffered through getting all of our crafting traits to 9/9. Heck now you "new" players have crown scrolls to lessen the time.

I am proud to have accomplished full 9/9 in every crafting profession. New players should have to do the same and not expect to get a participation trophy for just showing up.

InFernalEntity · July 2017

Yes

@Chilly-McFreeze I wasn't aware that you could buy items with gold to reduce research times.

Though I will say they've been significantly less advertised.

Belidos · July 2017

@Chilly-McFreeze I wasn't aware that you could buy items with gold to reduce research times.

Yup, you can buy the same item as is on the crown store with master writs, and those items can be sold to other players for gold.

Insomnia rex · July 2017

No

They go for around 4k on EU, you would need to buy three per day. Or two if you feel ww is fast enough as is.

me_ming · July 2017

No

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Yeah not gonna happen or all of us who researched them the long way WILL revolt

Things change. Just because I had to do something doesn't mean I would expect others have to do the long wait.

After all, my grandfather used to get up at 4am to work down a mine shaft and not return home until around 8pm. Doesn't mean we all have to do the same *** to earn the same wage. I've no axe to grind as I'm approaching 8 traits on all my crafting other than the woodworking which will all be 9 trait in 7 days.

Well, if you get black lung from research, please be sure to let us know. Alternately, you can do your research on a character, and then, you know, do anything else you want on that character while the research ticks. You can research 9 items simultaneously, which, if you keep track of your research progress, means you can knock it out fairly quickly... okay, yeah, it takes about six or seven months. But, that doesn't mean you can't run content on that character, or you know, play the game. It just means you can't instantly make Twice Born Star sets. (And, really, if you're crafting, most of the good stuff is around 6 traits, so you can get there in under a month, if you know what you want.)

Erm, eh ... way to take it to the extreme. I never once insinuated anyone should be able to make TBS instantly. Nor has anyone within this thread for that matter. A small increase that requires extra skill points would be better. I suppose that's me now wanting TBS in 2 days now, though, huh?

That's the problem with most people who dislike change. They see everything as a case of either or. No in-between. Because waiting over a year is deemed too long, we must want it all INSTANTLY!!!!

Well, then what exactly do you want with this change? To get things done as fast as you can or in other words, instantly, am I right?

Not sure if you're being serious, but on the off chance that you are, I'm not even gonna waste my time explaining what we want to someone like you. You're not interested, thus I'm not interested adding any more to this post. Find someone else to troll.

I'm very serious. Instead of making this post why don't you do your researches. lol