I'm a 9 trait crafter too and i think this would be a bad idea.

I'm sorry. I have a handful of traits left to research, no more than 15 across all 3 trees and I would hate for anyone to have to repeat this. Even if I finished all my researching I would want this toned down. It's a ridiculous amount of time.

And not the way Zo$ have already tried to do it by selling research time reductions in the Crown store (for anyone that doesn't know...400 crowns takes 1 day off all your research under one skill for example 1 day off all 3 blacksmith traits your researching).

A serious overhaul. I'd even be fine if they reduced it to a 25 day cap. Sure it's not a lot but it would make a huge difference.

What's the point anyway when you are better off with dropped sets, crafting needs revisiting. Sets need reworking, trait swapping should be integrated into crafting and jewellery crafting should be implemented but should come with separate sets.

Doing hard time makes you more appreciative

Yes, because I'm impatient.

Nope I did it on my main toon and everyone else should as well TY

Just deal with it like we all have

I think it's excessively long right now, i would cut it down maybe by 25%, still requires time commitment but is much more reasonable to get 9th traits. The obtainable research scrolls are nice though.

Cillion3117 wrote: »

What's the hurry? What's with this need for instant gratification? Just relax and enjoy the game, and wait for it the way the rest of us did.

Well for me it is not instant gratification.

then again, who was it about instant gratification?

Can you show the posts where someone wanted nine traits instantly?

Any?

Any at all?

no?

Was it about wanting a new car?

there were no posts about that either but hey, while we are making stuff up... lets go whole hog.

in more seriously light...

my answers to "whats the hurry?" are:
1 - while daily turn-around tend to promote daily logins, weekly or mothly dont for the most part have the same impact. they just promote timer countdown apps and that thing and when it chimes you remember "oh yeah" and so on. So, moving it down to daily max would mean it starts promoting more logins.
2 - The longer than daily times are basically not giving the same payback as the lower ones. lets face it, folks with planning get the traits they want early and its the prosperous and other trash that ends up being the ones you wait for a long long time to cycle. So the gain vs wait is out of whack within the trait system.
3 - The wait time is out of whack compared to every other advancement timer. there is just nothing that takes this much time for even much greater gains. it is inconsistent and not beneficial.

But there is also the basic pro of "getting to do the fun stuff sooner" which is not the same as saying instant gratification.

other than "we did it so screw you - you have to as well" what is the gain for making someone wait so uncharteristically wrong for their prosperous trait as their ninth for each of the three crafts? Is prosperous so overwhemlingly devastating potent that it deserves a 27 day wait or even a 14 day wait after all the rest? Even when you throw in the 9-trait sets, you aren't getting all that much considering.

let me suggest that you can get far more out of say advancing one of your class skills to 50 for the same skill cost and much much much less time than to advance a single equipment crafting skill to 50 and also unlock its traits so it makes no sense that the crafting investment should have so much more time tacked onto it.

Certainly, when i compare "advancing clothier to 50 at nine traits" for skills spent and time vs gains in play to "advancing alchemy to 50 and all reagents known" it is not anywhere close to matching up. Every character i play uses some of my crafted potions pretty much on any active play vs content, every time unless its a cakewalk. But i think less than half of my characters wear crafted cloth armors.

other than the satisfaction derived from sticking it to others coming down the pike from the "we did it so should you" crowd, there is no in-game justification i see for making traits so skewed for gain vs time.

Speaking here as someone with master crafter done and multiple characters with equips maxed at 50 etc.

My proposal would be to cap all traits at one day max, maybe even turn them all to one day period, and let writ voucher scrolls/crown stores buy you a day - just like horses vs riding lessons (something else with daily turns and direct in-game gains) but more expensive and with cooldowns.

but it wont happen anytime soon.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

Doing hard time makes you more appreciative

Makes it more of a value. Also, only has to be done on one character. Not like this is needed for each character someone roles. I guess some players do not understand that not everyone wants everything easy and instant.

But there is nothing difficult about it. It's a completely passive activity with an arbitrary time period. That's like saying it's difficult to make compost.

When my grandpa and I traveled across the US, he would always tell me about the 1 and 2 lane roads before freeways/highways were built.

That said, I can't imagine driving to and from work on a crappy 2 lane road with a 40mph speed limit, for hours a day, decades of my life and then complain or revolt when a freeway is built to help myself and others.

InFernalEntity wrote: »

I'm sorry. I have a handful of traits left to research, no more than 15 across all 3 trees and I would hate for anyone to have to repeat this. Even if I finished all my researching I would want this toned down. It's a ridiculous amount of time.

And not the way Zo$ have already tried to do it by selling research time reductions in the Crown store (for anyone that doesn't know...400 crowns takes 1 day off all your research under one skill for example 1 day off all 3 blacksmith traits your researching).

A serious overhaul. I'd even be fine if they reduced it to a 25 day cap. Sure it's not a lot but it would make a huge difference.

@InFernalEntity
Such a strong opinion and then you don't even mention the research reduction items you can buy with in game currency.

They can't change it now, to many people would be upset, and rightly so. It's very much a case as 'start as you intend to go on'

Being the fact that the 9th trait takes such a long time, plus nirnhoned isn't easy to come across through harvesting nodes, and kinda expensive if you buy it. My issues isn't with how long it takes, but the lack of reward at the end of it.

Personally I believe that the more traits required for a set's construction, the better the set should be. And most definitely, 9 trait sets should be top tier gear, maybe BiS even. Dunno exactly how I feel about that last point, but you get my meaning. 9 trait gear 'should' be bloody good. Right now there are staples, sets like seducers, they are only 3 traits, kinda begs the questions as to why a set like that should be so good with only 3 traits. I'm not for a second saying it's a be all and end all, but you got to admit, it's a damn good set for just 3 traits.

Just on the 9th trait thing, I did suggest earlier it's hard to get, well, it's a whole lot easier to get now in the current patch, earlier, it was a pain in the rectum. So, if you are complaining about 9 traits now, yeah, it's kinda not that bad anymore.

It's interesting this topic keeps rearing it's ugly head (to many Gen-Y's wanting instant gratification maybe?) but I was just thinking about traits the other day, it's been a while since we've had a new trait introduced, I wonder how long it'll take for a 10th trait research? If or when a 10th trait come out, I expect to see many more of these threads appearing on the board.