He kind of does have a point, it is war. No decent group on either alliance throw their tactics or location in zone chat anyway.

Plus locking it to 1 alliance meaning you can only play those alliance characters in that campaign won't work with the fact theres only 1 cp campaign, therefore 1 active campaign on many platforms.

Reece_P17 wrote: »

Maybe a 10 min cool down going into Cyrodiil. Only if you have recently been in cyrodill then logged into character that belongs to a different faction?

thats actually a good idea. that could still work quite well instead of lockouts..

People spying in zone chat doesn't exactly reveal some big secret. It's kinda obvious which keeps are going to get attacked.

If there were a dozen different campaigns with full population I wouldn't have a problem with locking each faction of your characters to specific campaign. Unfortunately on NA PC we only have one campaign with decent pop and even that one is often dead late at night. Regardless of your faction you need to be able to at least play the game.

At launch I played my DC on Auriel's Bow and Hopesfire and my EP on Wabbajack. It was fun because there were epic battles raging across the map at all hours 24/7 and a different sort of narrative in all these campaigns. You could hop into Bloodthorn, Skullcrusher, Goldbrand etc and find all different kinds of enemy players everywhere.

I hope someday the PVP population grows back to the level we had at launch or even surpasses that.

There's not really enough campaigns to do this anymore. There are 3 campaigns on PC NA that level 50+ characters can use and one of them is utterly dead. Only Sotha Sil and Vivec really see any activity.

Now, I have 14 characters. Most of them are Pact, but I have several that are in AD or DC. I don't PvP much thanks to my own poor connection, however, I have gone into Cyrodiil recently. The reason being that I needed to unlock War Horn on one of my DC tanks. I'm stupid and stubborn and I refused to actually fight for DC, so what I wound up doing was repairing what walls I could. I started -and stayed in- Sotha Sil until I got frustrated that DC only had 3 or so keeps and then I swapped over to Vivec where I finally managed to get his Assault up enough to unlock War Horn.

Here's the thing: I've got another tank in EP who just hit 50 and also needs to get War Horn. If he had been locked out of Cyrodiil because I had taken my DC tank in to do the same thing... Well, that would be very frustrating for me.

On another note, I can't help but feel that if people are going to play dirty, they're going to play dirty. Even if they themselves are locked out of a campaign, they could ask friends in other alliances who can get in to relay information to them and so on.

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

ZoS, doesnt care about the storyline of the game or the competitiveness of the game.

All they care about is the money "Kevin from Shark Tank"

Why you think they made ONE Tameriel????

God I really hate the One Tamerial update, much rather they would of stick to the old version..

No, but ZoS should strike down on people who are spying on other faction chats. That is basicly ghosting and should be punished.

the "it's war" argument would work if we could kill players we knew were helping the enemy, we can't so campaigns should be locked to one faction, something some dont realise is it isnt just players spying,

eg.

full campaign with 100 players each(made up numbers) you essentially get the following happening,

EP 60 players
DC 70 players
AD 140 players
because not all your players are working with you.

It really is a moot point since anyone wanting to "spy" could do so using a cheap second account... free.

Of course.. I mean what kind of question it is ?! When ZOS disabled alliance - locked campaigns people started to re-log to their different characters on different alliances (switch teams basically). This caused the game to be simply rigged. Right now we have campaigns where one side (AD or DC or EP) is winning constantly, over and over again. Just because 1 - 2 guilds simply re-log and basically "steer" the whole Alliance War to make sure their EMP (Emperor) won't be de-throned and their alliance will be always on 1st place. And if that is not enough there are situations (I will not post names here as it is prohibited the forum rules) where Emperor from one faction logged in to other faction and de-throned him/her self.... (deliberately, so his/her other guild mates could get Emp).

At this point it is getting out of hand ZOS. People are exploiting the f**k out of this poor game design. If you (ZOS) want to fix/balance Alliance War PvP this is the first step you need to do - prevent re-loggers from team - switching. Just make campaigns account wide. That is all there is to it. If one of your character is assigned to certain camping to one faction - you should simply not be able to log in to the same camping in a different character in a different faction. You should only be able to re-log to a different character but within the same faction.

What is more annoying is seeing DC get gated with all their keeps being yellow. Meanwhile, EP is pushing South trying to dethrone AD, only to have DC 20 man group showing up to back-door the reds from taking a keep that means nothing to DC.

That's what kills the spirit of the game. But there will always be people that just want to grief others, as they only seem to find enjoyment in ruining the experience for others.

It's a human problem, not an ESO problem. Although, they could mitigate the problem by progressively making an alliance weaker when they fail to maintain supply lines (linked keeps).

hamgatan wrote: »

This is more a discussion of ethics than anything else. But it got me thinking a lot about the kind of mentality in the game at the moment.

The other night I was on one of my DC chars which I never play. Unfortunately as the build I'm working toward for it required Resolving Vigor I was forced to grind out Cyro for a couple of days to get it there. To put it bluntly I don't PvP anymore. I despise it. It's nothing more than a macro-slicing zergfest. However, this is not a discussion about that, this is something entirely different.

I was reading Zone Chat (yes why is another question..) and I noticed a player openly state that they were going to hop onto their EP character and see what the chatter is in zone and report back to DC. Basically, spying. Well I openly confronted them and said 'WTF man? That's against the spirit of the game..'.. To which others jumped to the players aid with excuses like

1. It's war man - anything goes.
2. EP and AD do it, why can't we?
3. You're just naive man

Has the game devolved so much to the point where cancerous beings like this actually believe that playing in a manner that is unethical and borderline cheating is somehow acceptable?

Shouldn't this decay of the games community alone be more than proof as to why we need to bring back the Alliance Lockouts for character logins again?

Discuss!

Everyone spends or uses x amount of time with their gameplay. Is it ethically ok or fair to have to spend that time on an uneven playing field ? Leveling the playing field does not make it unethical. Lets also stop using the word ethical, and just say fair gamr play. This is not a player issue it is a ZoS issue and if the playerbase is whining about it none stop then by all means bring back locks. However, like you said you do not like pvp and avoid it as much as possible. So my question to you is why do you care? Is this just a high horse thing? If it is do not feel bad I was accused of beating a dead horse that is dead with my ah post.

vamp_emily wrote: »

This is what happened to me the other day.

Someone on DC formed a group and took everyone to Chal. I seen that AD could possibly get Emp soon, so I asked for a few players in zone chat to help me take Nik.

A few minutes later, one of my friends told me that someone was telling AD ( in guild chat ) that I was headed to Nik. The person that was giving the information away was the group leader that took everyone to Chal.

#SayNoToSpying

That isn't even spying. That is just some of the dirty Cyrodiil politics and paid for emps.

In my opinion character alliance lockout is a MUST.
The issue is bigger than just spying for other faction.
Players are logging off from the current losing faction instead of fighting on, only to log to their other faction character.
Many players like playing for the winning side.

For example, if EP is losing most of the keeps, EP players are logging off from their EP characters and then log to their AD characters, so they can play for the winning side, easy mode...
I'm loyal to one faction and never take such actions, even if it means I will get zerged down by raid groups.
I expect everyone to be as loyal.