Called An Elitist

KochDerDamonen · June 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

It's about perception. Everyone plays for varying reasons, people.dont understand those reasons, and get narky.

Not everyone wants to plough thru content at high speed, not everyone wants to copy some streamers meta build and make it easy.

It's a game, people can choose to play how they want. And those suffering expectations generally rub each other up.

Even on this thread those defending you go on about DPS figure minimums and what is and isn't possible. Some people don't care, they just enjoy a chilled game time. In those conflicts someone telling you what you must or must not do. Or get this skill or get this gear is annoying if people haven't asked for help.....

@Beardimus Why would I comment on someone's build? That would take time out-of-dungeon to correct, if it was really such a problem that we couldn't complete the dungeon because of it. The most I ever get into someone's 'build' is noting that we absolutely need AoE spells to get through many many fights, especially considering that the sort of person who doesn't even have any AoE at all probably isn't doing enough singletarget to oneshot each add or whatever the need is. I mean, it wouldn't even be a problem to comment on unless we just go overwhelmed and wiped because of it obviously.

I've been called awful things for trying to explain lots of things to people who were clearly either newer to the game, or the dungeon itself. I'm not even referring to 'elitist', I wouldn't go so far as to call that awful itself.

(Direfrost Keep, final boss): "The boss is healing up a lot, does everyone know this fight?" "Left click+Right click to breakfree if she tethers you with the blue beam, or else she saps your life"
[insert being told not to tell people what to do, if I get a response at all, every wipe turns up the amount of namecalling and cursing]
Average day doing a daily random

Grunim · June 2017

I appreciate people who kindly explain mechanics and tricks. This includes dungeons I think I know how to do, it's interesting when someone mentions a tactic I haven't seen before. There is more than one way to skin a khajiit

Be humble and keep an open mind. Carry on.

Marabornwingrion · June 2017

I'm 730+ CP, playing since 1,5 year and I haven't been called elitist even once.

agingerinohio · June 2017

gepe87 wrote: »

For me an elitist are those guys who blame pugs on pvp, saying that we are trash and to get a guild. Not everyone is able to be on a guild, many with strict rules, language barriers and little patient for new players.

I wish I could do some dung's with you Some mechanics i still don't get it, and more than half of vet dung I can't complete. Certainly you are not elitist.

If you are on EU I would gladly run with you. Not leveled completely on NA yet. Lol

agingerinohio · June 2017

theflawlessteabagger wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

How many times have you been called an elitist?

I'm CP 559 and have been called an elitist 3 times in the past two weeks. Why? For simply explaining mechanics that people are so blatantly trying to ignore. Mind you I am very polite each time, I don't mind helping new players learn because I was once there. 2 times in a dungeon on my healer, one of which I had to tank and dd because the rest of the group was incapable to either hold taunt or stop light attacking with bows (vet Blessed Crucible and yes it was pug), another pug vet dungeon trying to explain mechanics and a trial from today. No one knew the mechanics in nMoL and were running around accidentally killing one another. Near full wipe but we managed to res.

Am I to expect this now that I am getting closer to CP cap? Which I still have far to go.... I know people are going to suggest trying guilds for raids and dungeons, but most of the time everyone is already busy or just don't do anything.

Who cares ? I dont , wrobel dont , bruno dont , lambert dont ,

U sound more like scrub than elitist

Says the one with that kind of username. ^_~

agingerinohio · June 2017

Tasear wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

never though sometimes... I think my ego's a bit big... but usually deflates before anyone feels my inner monologue.

Maybe you guys... need a warmer touch or a... woman's touch? Maybe it's because I always pick the healer role. People tend to listen to me and work together. At last maybe I simply have more charisma then you

Seriously though, sure sometimes things can go right without a single word, but when things go wrong it's up to someone aka the leader to figure out what to do. On regards to good leadership, it's about how you timing of your advice, feeling of your advice (tone of words), and genuine knowledge or experience.

Random Dungeon Tips

Sometimes you have to know when time and reward isn't worth it, know when to walk away and how to politely say goodbye

There's only a few dugeons that can not be done with bad dps.

There's usually tactics and a burn method for each boss.

Aggro the shield and sword, 2 hander as tank

Dps kill the archers first

Compliment team mates, good fight, good dps, good revcovery, good save, thank you

Be nice, even when things don't work out... who knows you might meet again .

Have fun, when you aren't having fun then walk away

Press x for synergies

floating orbs give you health, magicka or stamina

Synergies can be used every 20 secs.

I am a woman and generally do go with healer role in dungeons. Lol. Sometimes I feel like a cheerleader in the background thowing out heals and buffs with the occasional "good job everyone!" And will even do the occasional cheer emote. It's a nice change up from the occasional bit of negativity that can arise in pugs.

haha, o.O I feel like this sometimes too.

We deserve a

P.S Thanks for getting my sense of humor.

We need more humor! Hahaha xD

Kuramas9tails · June 2017

Blanco wrote: »

The sad reality is there are just far too many noobs in this game

Noobs or casual players?

Tornaad · June 2017

If someone wants to explain to me how things work I am grateful.

If someone wants to stand up on their pillar and explain to me what I was doing wrong that caused me to get kicked from the group, then yes I would say they are an elitist.

You seem like you would be someone I would be grateful for the advice you offered.

Betsararie · June 2017

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

The sad reality is there are just far too many noobs in this game

Noobs or casual players?

To be honest with you, I categorize the two together. Both play at approximately the same level.

bebynnag · June 2017

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agingerinohio · June 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i have been called a noob elitist! ha beat that OP

EDT i am laughing while i type this - my posteriour is not in pain!

Lol xD What a combo to be called. What happened?

bebynnag · June 2017

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MakoFore · July 2017

this game- and ZOS do a terrible terrible job of teaching players roles and mechanics of the game itself.
sure you can look up youtube videos- but people get into games to get away from that level of work and research

The game needs an in game tutorial that is enjoyable that teaches. get the undaunted guys to teach it- for example each of the undaunted guys could have a quest- that asks you to dd/heal/tank a certain dungeon - once you do that on normal- you do a harder normal dugneon- and so on- 3 levels. then you unlock the ability to do that role on Vet. to incentivise this- each time you progress you get a title/costume.

For example- to become "undaunted" you simply have to enter spindle 1 and walk out. thats ***. it should have us enter- choose which role- and have an NPC talk us thru it-
"ok heres a group of spiders- show us what you can do"
"hmm that seemed a little bit weak- why dont you add some AOE" "are you sure you've got the right gear?"
"have you eaten food/drink yet?- you shouldn't enter a dungeon on an empty stomach sera!"
"your dps is fine- i think you can lead a dungeon "
"if you want to tank- learn to taunt or at least shout impolitely" - etc - etc- have scripted responses- this wouldn't be hard to do- honestly i know programmers and developers that could knock this out in a week- with a team of 3.

it would raise the quality and gameplay for everyone- end so much frustration- andismply be the right thing to do- games should teach you how to play them.
I honestly spent the first six months of this game playing alone because my only dungeon experience was so awful and vitriolic at me. and rightfully so-

i was sword and boarding, cloaking behind a pillar and gap closing and using rolling from morihaus and my primary deeps baby!
the other players politely asked me to delete the game. most players go thru worse.

every day- half the forum is full of people who dont know how to play or complain about those who dont-, etc, etc
in other words- the game has too large a gap between unacceptable and aceptable- vet and normal - and the game does nothin to displace that gap .

ITS up to the GAME to teach- not the community- of which there are only like 4or5 people out there who can be *** to actually teach rotations in detail and meachincs, etc. god bless you deltia, alcast, woolier , gilliam, fengrush, etc, etc.

but its up to ZOS- get your fat arses of your crown crates- and spend my hard earned money actually making something we want ZOs.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2017

Had a Cp 140 person call us low levels noobs just cause we qued for a random WGT at low level 20ish, and 2 of them left without even trying nice people, and btw I was Cp 595 at the time.

Tasear · July 2017

MakoFore wrote: »

this game- and ZOS do a terrible terrible job of teaching players roles and mechanics of the game itself.
sure you can look up youtube videos- but people get into games to get away from that level of work and research

The game needs an in game tutorial that is enjoyable that teaches. get the undaunted guys to teach it- for example each of the undaunted guys could have a quest- that asks you to dd/heal/tank a certain dungeon - once you do that on normal- you do a harder normal dugneon- and so on- 3 levels. then you unlock the ability to do that role on Vet. to incentivise this- each time you progress you get a title/costume.

For example- to become "undaunted" you simply have to enter spindle 1 and walk out. thats ***. it should have us enter- choose which role- and have an NPC talk us thru it-
"ok heres a group of spiders- show us what you can do"
"hmm that seemed a little bit weak- why dont you add some AOE" "are you sure you've got the right gear?"
"have you eaten food/drink yet?- you shouldn't enter a dungeon on an empty stomach sera!"
"your dps is fine- i think you can lead a dungeon "
"if you want to tank- learn to taunt or at least shout impolitely" - etc - etc- have scripted responses- this wouldn't be hard to do- honestly i know programmers and developers that could knock this out in a week- with a team of 3.

it would raise the quality and gameplay for everyone- end so much frustration- andismply be the right thing to do- games should teach you how to play them.
I honestly spent the first six months of this game playing alone because my only dungeon experience was so awful and vitriolic at me. and rightfully so-

i was sword and boarding, cloaking behind a pillar and gap closing and using rolling from morihaus and my primary deeps baby!
the other players politely asked me to delete the game. most players go thru worse.

every day- half the forum is full of people who dont know how to play or complain about those who dont-, etc, etc
in other words- the game has too large a gap between unacceptable and aceptable- vet and normal - and the game does nothin to displace that gap .

ITS up to the GAME to teach- not the community- of which there are only like 4or5 people out there who can be *** to actually teach rotations in detail and meachincs, etc. god bless you deltia, alcast, woolier , gilliam, fengrush, etc, etc.

but its up to ZOS- get your fat arses of your crown crates- and spend my hard earned money actually making something we want ZOs.

Support it's creation!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/333429/undaunted-academy

Belegnole · July 2017

agingerinohio wrote: »

I try to come off as a teacher, as in my professional life I have taught photography and graphic design classes. If we wipe a time or two, I will ask "does anyone need me to explain the mechanics here?" Then I will explain. Sometimes people listen and sometimes people say they don't care just burn the boss. I actually don't mind pug's because half the time you will get a good group of new players that just want to learn mechanics. Met some great people on this game that way.
I do see how some may take text conversation out of context and think I'm being a jerk. Same goes for any kind of text socialization for that matter. Lol.
I guess I will just not offer advice until it's asked from now on.

don't quit...and don't take the negativity to heart. people like myself appreciate a friendly person lending a hand or teaching us something new.

Compared to other games I have found quite a friendly crowd here. Ok, maybe Iv'e been lucky or just have learned to ignore those who I don't appreciate. But I've run into more situations in this game were people will just start helping each other, even though they are all soloing whatever it is.Or, people coming to the rescue when things are a bit rough in a fight.

BrightOblivion · July 2017

When I did the Undaunted quest (which is FG1 in EP), I just assumed I was supposed to run the dungeon. So I queued and ran it.

It was really confusing when that quest marker moved back to the door just as I entered...

EDIT: In answer to your question, OP, never. But then, I'm under CP250, and have only explained the mechanics in one instance at nWGT when someone said they'd done it once and forgotten.

F7sus4 · July 2017

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

I have taught a level 10 no cp pug tank how to run WGT so I don't think of myself as an elitist but a realist.

Such elitism. Tank Light Armor. Very e-peen. Many wow.

Miruku · July 2017

Voxicity wrote: »

Meh, the word elitist has pretty much lost it's meaning in this game. I've been called an elitist many times simply because of my cp level, skins, pvp rank etc. But I'm actually a really calm and casual guy who just plays the game for fun with my wife.

VMOL Skin=elitist aight
Your PVP Rank of 31 makes you an elitist

This game hurts my head, honestly this community hurts my head to the point I have lost faith in 98% of the community

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2017

Miruku wrote: »

This game hurts my head, honestly this community hurts my head to the point I have lost faith in 98% of the community

Come on Miruku. At least YOU could try and live with what you are.
You ARE a true elitist, in the sense that :
- You play well
- You play competitive
- You like the two above facts to be known (just look at your sig)
- and you don't like to play with less good players (and you trash talk them).

That's fine : that's the way you are and the way you enjoy the game.
But don't complain for being called what you are.

Massive_Stain · July 2017

I've been called an elitist in trials, whispers, PSN messages and voice chat. And this was because I instructed pet builds to unsummon their pets at first add pull of vhrc, top boss vhrc, I questioned why a champion 20 tank was qued for vwgt, and a host of captain obvious discretion.

I'm CP 800

That being said, I have pulled and carried so many newbie players through normal trials, dungeons, and vet trials and dungeons its pretty off the charts. I give away all my drops from most trials and dungeons because I've been there and done that so many times at this point. I don't mind new players at all as long as they are honest.

The Uninvited · July 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I understand you meant well but... don't give advice to someone who hasn't asked for it.
Even if they truly need it.

(I just gave you an advice that you haven't asked for and... well, there's a good chance you're not happy about it. Which demonstrates its validity.)

That's good advice, not to give advice unless it's asked for. It's a wise sentiment and we'd all get along better if we followed it. Which is why I never attempt to tell others how to play or what skills they should slot unless they first ask me for my opinion. Otherwise you run the risk of coming off as a jerk.

I will explain the basics of fight if it looks like the group is new and doesn't understand how it works. But that's where it ends.

In a game perhaps, but in real life not giving advice unless it's asked for would get a lot of people killed.

Imagine someone wanting to cross the street and he/she doesn't see a car coming. Oh, too bad they got run over because they didn't ask for advice...

Giving advice in real life without being asked to is exactly as hurtful and useless as it is in a game - even though, as you mention, i may have further consequences. People who aren't ready to listen will not listen, it's as simple as that.
Many people die from smoking in spite of having been bombarded with "advice" about it on a daily basis for all their lives
Many people die in a car crash because they did not listen to their friends telling them they'd had too much to drink and they should sleep on the couch or take a cab home.
The planet is dying (and humankind along with it) in spite of countless people telling the world all the time to produce less and consume less.
And so on.

That's the responsibility of the people that don't listen, not the ones that give the advice. Or what? Should we just stop warning people about the dangers of smoking, pollution, consumerism and whatever else because "oh, they don't listen anyway'...'' ?

That's for useful and appropriate advice, but there's also useless and inappropriate "advice".
How would/do you react if a perfectly stranger in the street gives you "advice" on how to get dressed properly and assort colors ?
How would/do you react if a colleague explains you how to "work better", without you having asked anything ?

In the first example, I would say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that you can't give advice on personal taste.

In the second example, I would actually be happy that someone would do that. I don't know where you work, but where I work (or have worked in the past) it's usually encouraged to give each other advice on how to do your work better/easier/faster/more efficient. It helps both the company AND the people who work there.

Giving advice without being asked may be a dilemma in rather rare situations where something important is at stake, but otherwise, it's really better to hold off. Especially in a video game, since nothing is important in a video game.

On that I totally agree with you.

Miruku · July 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miruku wrote: »

This game hurts my head, honestly this community hurts my head to the point I have lost faith in 98% of the community

Come on Miruku. At least YOU could try and live with what you are.
You ARE a true elitist, in the sense that :
- You play well
- You play competitive
- You like the two above facts to be known (just look at your sig)
- and you don't like to play with less good players (and you trash talk them).

That's fine : that's the way you are and the way you enjoy the game.
But don't complain for being called what you are.

I am fully aware that I am an elitist

I am ok with being called an elitiest but [snip] being called one isnt true at all the day when VMOL skin and AVA 31 makes you an "elite player" is the day VMA no death makes me god. I should have specified this tho sorry my fault

[Edit for Flaming]

Jeremy · July 2017

The Uninvited wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I understand you meant well but... don't give advice to someone who hasn't asked for it.
Even if they truly need it.

(I just gave you an advice that you haven't asked for and... well, there's a good chance you're not happy about it. Which demonstrates its validity.)

That's good advice, not to give advice unless it's asked for. It's a wise sentiment and we'd all get along better if we followed it. Which is why I never attempt to tell others how to play or what skills they should slot unless they first ask me for my opinion. Otherwise you run the risk of coming off as a jerk.

I will explain the basics of fight if it looks like the group is new and doesn't understand how it works. But that's where it ends.

In a game perhaps, but in real life not giving advice unless it's asked for would get a lot of people killed.

Imagine someone wanting to cross the street and he/she doesn't see a car coming. Oh, too bad they got run over because they didn't ask for advice...

I don't think of warning someone about an incoming car as giving them unwanted advice. That's not what I meant.

Explaining the basics of a fight - or when big damage might be about to happen (like an incoming car) is fine. I am talking about players who try to advice others on what specific skills or rotations they should use. Things of that nature.

Miruku · July 2017

Miruku wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miruku wrote: »

This game hurts my head, honestly this community hurts my head to the point I have lost faith in 98% of the community

Come on Miruku. At least YOU could try and live with what you are.
You ARE a true elitist, in the sense that :
- You play well
- You play competitive
- You like the two above facts to be known (just look at your sig)
- and you don't like to play with less good players (and you trash talk them).

That's fine : that's the way you are and the way you enjoy the game.
But don't complain for being called what you are.

I am fully aware that I am an elitist I am ok with being called an elitiest but [snip] being called one isnt true at all the day when VMOL skin and AVA 31 makes you an "elite player" is the day VMA no death makes me god. I should have specified this tho sorry my fault

[Edit for Flaming]

Um lol? I didnt even flame wtf is wrong with the mods but ok then xD

I_killed_Vivec · July 2017

Hmmm... elitist called out for being an elitist (3 times in 2 weeks) goes to forum to tell everyone how he's so great... but definitely not an elitist.

Miruku · July 2017

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Hmmm... elitist called out for being an elitist (3 times in 2 weeks) goes to forum to tell everyone how he's so great... but definitely not an elitist.

Because being an elitist is a bad thing? :^)

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2017

Miruku wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Hmmm... elitist called out for being an elitist (3 times in 2 weeks) goes to forum to tell everyone how he's so great... but definitely not an elitist.

Because being an elitist is a bad thing? :^)

Frankly ?
As such, and as long as you stay among each other "elitists", no. It's OK.
The problem is when you start mixing with others, more casual or simply less good players, either via PUG or via mixed guilds, or PvP.
Then it starts feeling uncomfortable for said "less good players". Especially if you start bragging, showing off, expressing "expectations", trash talking or the eternal "GIVING ADVICE".

As much as I admire Usain Bolt, I don't want him to tag along during my monday morning jogging. Especially if he starts showing me how slow I am, how quicker I could be and how bored he is. Because there are at least three good reasons I'm not as quick as he is :
- I can't (no matter how much effort I put into it)
- I don't want to (not worth the effort in my view)
- I can't AND I don't want to.

I think it's better if elitists stay among each other (and in general, players of the same level/attitude stay among each other).

Miruku · July 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Miruku wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Hmmm... elitist called out for being an elitist (3 times in 2 weeks) goes to forum to tell everyone how he's so great... but definitely not an elitist.

Because being an elitist is a bad thing? :^)

Frankly ?
As such, and as long as you stay among each other "elitists", no. It's OK.
The problem is when you start mixing with others, more casual or simply less good players, either via PUG or via mixed guilds, or PvP.
Then it starts feeling uncomfortable for said "less good players". Especially if you start bragging, showing off, expressing "expectations", trash talking or the eternal "GIVING ADVICE".

As much as I admire Usain Bolt, I don't want him to tag along during my monday morning jogging. Especially if he starts showing me how slow I am, how quicker I could be and how bored he is. Because there are at least three good reasons I'm not as quick as he is :
- I can't (no matter how much effort I put into it)
- I don't want to (not worth the effort in my view)
- I can't AND I don't want to.

I think it's better if elitists stay among each other (and in general, players of the same level/attitude stay among each other).

Well im perfectly fine with helping ppl and ill happily help people if they need le help. But what annoys me and what has gotten my trashy reputation is when I get xv1 bya bunch of trash players yea it triggers me but i wont ever tell someone im better than them unless they trigger me by xv1ing me

leeshi · July 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

Never been called an elitist but I also never bother explaining mechanics unless someone actually asks.
I'd rather just barge through the dungeon and carry them - no skin off my nose

@disintegr8 the problem here is that there are 1 shot mechanics like in FG that you have to have a team that knows how to fix it. I try the whole "just carry the noobs" thing all the time and inevitably I get to be the target of the 1 shot. Which means I stop, explain the fight, try again .. aaaaand they do the same mechanics ignoring again.

I don't mind teaching people, and I don't mind explaining fights. Never been called an elitest before, but have definitely gotten frustrated with people that can't do their roles. This is 90% of the time an issue with the dps though. My favorite was a guy who was just heaving attacking the whole time because he was "out of stamina"... I told him to quit bashing then. He said, no it cancels my heavy attack animation. I gave up switched to dps with a taunt, lol. Previous to changing I had 58% of the groups dps on my low dps tank, at 4k.