How rubbish do you think the warden healer is, compared to templar?

danielpang32 · July 2017

As warden has its very owned healing focus skill tree, what do you think of it? The best or the worst?

Please consider every single one of the situation in combat, such as Normal dungeons, Veteran dungeon, Normal trials and Veteran dungeon.

All Dungeons and Trials have to be included in your consideration.

BigBragg · July 2017

Level 3 Warden Healer is less effective then Templar Healer

There are a quite few differences between the two, but only one that stands out as a noticeably better skill. Breath of Life. That great, "Oh shoot!" button.

paulsimonps · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

I love having the combo of 1 warden 1 Templar in my veteran Trial groups, adds a lot more utility and HoT stacking than with 2 Templars. Just got to coordinate the set ups right.

Anhedonie · July 2017

Level 6 I do not consider Warden as Healer, compared to Templar Healer

Not in the current state.

idk · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

Have raided with a Warden in group and it works just fine. They have a great spamable heal and other tools beneficial to the group. It was considered prior to Morrowind dropping that the Warden would make a good second healer and it seems to playing out that way.

Integral1900 · July 2017

Level 4 Warden Healer is not a effective healer, compared to Templar Healer

Quick, I'm about to die!!!!! I need a heal now!!!!!!

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Sure thing, just give me a few seconds..... almost there..... oh your dead..... sorry about that

paulsimonps · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

Integral1900 wrote: »

Quick, I'm about to die!!!!! I need a heal now!!!!!!

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Sure thing, just give me a few seconds..... almost there..... oh your dead..... sorry about that

Ever head of a restoration staff?

Forsakiin · July 2017

A Warden healer is like the typical sidekick to a Templar healer. It's like Robin - looks great alongside Batman and compliments him well. On its own however it comes across as sub-par and people are wondering where the feck Batman is. I'm talking only in terms of veteran trials btw, a Warden healer is definitely good in dungeons.

Integral1900 · July 2017

Level 4 Warden Healer is not a effective healer, compared to Templar Healer

paulsimonps wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Quick, I'm about to die!!!!! I need a heal now!!!!!!

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Sure thing, just give me a few seconds..... almost there..... oh your dead..... sorry about that

Ever head of a restoration staff?

I'm a dps, I kill stuff...

paulsimonps · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

Integral1900 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Quick, I'm about to die!!!!! I need a heal now!!!!!!

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Sure thing, just give me a few seconds..... almost there..... oh your dead..... sorry about that

Ever head of a restoration staff?

I'm a dps, I kill stuff...

But you are aware of the fact that regardless of Class, healers use them right? Cause there are Burst heals in that weapon skill line.

Tryxus · July 2017

Level 3 Warden Healer is less effective then Templar Healer

But the difference is marginal at best: Warden can keep up with Templar healers just fine

Jitterbug · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

Only have experience with getting healed in vet dungs. I saw no issues.

theher0not · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

At least as good.

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2017

Question is leading.

BigBragg · July 2017

Level 3 Warden Healer is less effective then Templar Healer

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Question is leading.

Could the council please refrain the question?

TheNuminous1 · July 2017

I dont get the whole ideal that a warden can't heal someone in an ohsht situation. The ulti is a super cheap burst. Has a burst that heals way more people then bol and a burst aoe as well as the restostaff with combat prayer and if needed healing ward.

So please, tell me where the lack of ohsht is.

BigBragg · July 2017

Level 3 Warden Healer is less effective then Templar Healer

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

I dont get the whole ideal that a warden can't heal someone in an ohsht situation. The ulti is a super cheap burst. Has a burst that heals way more people then bol and a burst aoe as well as the restostaff with combat prayer and if needed healing ward.

So please, tell me where the lack of ohsht is.

The amount you can spam burst out with BoL is unparalleled in the game. Yes Warden can, heal up and keep a group going quite well, that is just one glaring difference in some situations.

As for the ultimate, more are going to run Northern Storm for 8% additional magicka and rotate Aggressive Warhorn for the actual consuption.

Darlgon · July 2017

Different <> Rubbish

paulsimonps · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

BigBragg wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

I dont get the whole ideal that a warden can't heal someone in an ohsht situation. The ulti is a super cheap burst. Has a burst that heals way more people then bol and a burst aoe as well as the restostaff with combat prayer and if needed healing ward.

So please, tell me where the lack of ohsht is.

The amount you can spam burst out with BoL is unparalleled in the game. Yes Warden can, heal up and keep a group going quite well, that is just one glaring difference in some situations.

As for the ultimate, more are going to run Northern Storm for 8% additional magicka and rotate Aggressive Warhorn for the actual consuption.

But the Wardens got Strong HoTs, more healers need to remember that the more HoTs you use the less burst you need, making it easier to heal. Don't Spam Healing Springs for example, its a HoT for a spam, sure its a short HoT but you can do other abilities during that short time frame. You should not only be spamming burst heal abilities all the time.

BigBragg · July 2017

Level 3 Warden Healer is less effective then Templar Healer

paulsimonps wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

I dont get the whole ideal that a warden can't heal someone in an ohsht situation. The ulti is a super cheap burst. Has a burst that heals way more people then bol and a burst aoe as well as the restostaff with combat prayer and if needed healing ward.

So please, tell me where the lack of ohsht is.

The amount you can spam burst out with BoL is unparalleled in the game. Yes Warden can, heal up and keep a group going quite well, that is just one glaring difference in some situations.

As for the ultimate, more are going to run Northern Storm for 8% additional magicka and rotate Aggressive Warhorn for the actual consuption.

But the Wardens got Strong HoTs, more healers need to remember that the more HoTs you use the less burst you need, making it easier to heal. Don't Spam Healing Springs for example, its a HoT for a spam, sure its a short HoT but you can do other abilities during that short time frame. You should not only be spamming burst heal abilities all the time.

Oh I completely agree, I heal through most things without ever reaching for BoL. Usually only need it when something goes sideways. Was just saying that in my opinion is the largest difference between the classes and the only real advantage a Templar has over a Warden.

paulsimonps · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

BigBragg wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

I dont get the whole ideal that a warden can't heal someone in an ohsht situation. The ulti is a super cheap burst. Has a burst that heals way more people then bol and a burst aoe as well as the restostaff with combat prayer and if needed healing ward.

So please, tell me where the lack of ohsht is.

The amount you can spam burst out with BoL is unparalleled in the game. Yes Warden can, heal up and keep a group going quite well, that is just one glaring difference in some situations.

As for the ultimate, more are going to run Northern Storm for 8% additional magicka and rotate Aggressive Warhorn for the actual consuption.

But the Wardens got Strong HoTs, more healers need to remember that the more HoTs you use the less burst you need, making it easier to heal. Don't Spam Healing Springs for example, its a HoT for a spam, sure its a short HoT but you can do other abilities during that short time frame. You should not only be spamming burst heal abilities all the time.

Oh I completely agree, I heal through most things without ever reaching for BoL. Usually only need it when something goes sideways. Was just saying that in my opinion is the largest difference between the classes and the only real advantage a Templar has over a Warden.

Well Templars have Radiant Aura, that helps a lot with giving out Minor Magickasteal a lot easier, but Warden has access to Minor Intellect in their AoE Burst heal, so they both have something there. And while a lot of people saw the Major Mending changed to Minor Mending as only a negative(it still mostly is), remember that there is only one other way to get Minor Mending and with Resto heavy attacks, that still heal btw, the templars are really the only class that can get both, unless you wear the Healers Habit set, but most won't do that. Though of course Wardens get their own share of Healing Done with their Passives, so if you spec it right it can be really good, and they will most likely have a much higher up time on Major Mending than Templars. They all have something special.

eso_nya · July 2017

Level 6 I do not consider Warden as Healer, compared to Templar Healer

For pure healing it dosnt matter at all what class u pick.

For healing in eso, Luminous Shards is a crucial skill. Orbs is a sad and weak substitute.

So if u wanna be a healer, Templar or gtfo.

If u take Shards and orbs out of the equation, all classes r pretty much on equal ground, but offer different utility.
Id say among the non-templars its nb>warden=dk>>sorc, within a very small margin.
NB, for lifesteal heals. Warden for intresting utility (frozen gate synergy, frost cloak). Dk for shields, roots, chains, ingenious weapons. Sorc, well, doesnt bring much to the table where the group benefits from, negate and encase, one minuspoint for doubleslotting twilight, dark exchange is great but imo its more of a "downside: doesnt have utility, upside: cant run oom"-tradeoff.

Integral1900 · July 2017

Level 4 Warden Healer is not a effective healer, compared to Templar Healer

Played a lot of dungeons since the morrowind, when I see a warden my heart sinks. I like playing them but the dps hits like a week old salad, the heals feel like your waiting for a council committee and the tank sucks...

In a group I still want a Templar healer for massive burst heals and dk tank because they make me feel safe, I can provide all the dps needed for a vet dungeon, the other dps can eat salmon butties for all I care, but wardens just seem to make everything harder.

I wish it wasn't true, I wish it didn't have to be me that saves them from being kicked out of the group by voteing no when other players try to give them the boot the moment it's revealed what class they are but that's the way it is. And it's a dam shame

Taleof2Cities · July 2017

Warden healers are viable in pretty much all game content. They're just a notch below Templars though, IMO.

paulsimonps · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

Integral1900 wrote: »

Played a lot of dungeons since the morrowind, when I see a warden my heart sinks. I like playing them but the dps hits like a week old salad, the heals feel like your waiting for a council committee and the tank sucks...

In a group I still want a Templar healer for massive burst heals and dk tank because they make me feel safe, I can provide all the dps needed for a vet dungeon, the other dps can eat salmon butties for all I care, but wardens just seem to make everything harder.

I wish it wasn't true, I wish it didn't have to be me that saves them from being kicked out of the group by voteing no when other players try to give them the boot the moment it's revealed what class they are but that's the way it is. And it's a dam shame

Wardens are in many ways 2nd best Tank class, not sure what Warden Tanks you have run with, but they can be really good. I've seen them complete vMaw and vHoF with ease and I have done well with mine as well. And as I've said earlier before in this thread, people need to reconsider their need for burst heals, if your tank allows you to get hit that often that you need that much burst heal, or if you are the cause of it, then its a simple L2P issue. Though I will agree that their DPS is lacking atm but its not a game breaker for vet dungeons, its not that bad. In PvP though their Burst DPS is really nice if you can queue up the attacks right, or of course just spam the cliff racer

Vipstaakki · July 2017

Level 1 Warden Healer is better then Templar Healer

Templars lost their throne when major mending was taken away from them.

me_ming · July 2017

Forsakiin wrote: »

A Warden healer is like the typical sidekick to a Templar healer. It's like Robin - looks great alongside Batman and compliments him well. On its own however it comes across as sub-par and people are wondering where the feck Batman is. I'm talking only in terms of veteran trials btw, a Warden healer is definitely good in dungeons.

hahaha I love this comparison

hamburgerler76 · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

I used to main templar heals have done vet dungeons trials all that. Made me a warden healer now doing great can say just as good as my old healer even has some great utility's my temp doesnt

paulsimonps · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

eso_nya wrote: »

For pure healing it dosnt matter at all what class u pick.

For healing in eso, Luminous Shards is a crucial skill. Orbs is a sad and weak substitute.

So if u wanna be a healer, Templar or gtfo.

If u take Shards and orbs out of the equation, all classes r pretty much on equal ground, but offer different utility.
Id say among the non-templars its nb>warden=dk>>sorc, within a very small margin.
NB, for lifesteal heals. Warden for intresting utility (frozen gate synergy, frost cloak). Dk for shields, roots, chains, ingenious weapons. Sorc, well, doesnt bring much to the table where the group benefits from, negate and encase, one minuspoint for doubleslotting twilight, dark exchange is great but imo its more of a "downside: doesnt have utility, upside: cant run oom"-tradeoff.

Shards are really only necessary in Trials for my pinpoint resource giving, orbs are not bad at all and not sure what makes you think that. Its not Templar of gtfo, I would take a good warden healer over and average templar healer any day. The heal from the healing version of the orbs is a really strong HoT too in Raid situations and you will almost always see at least one flying though a group in vet trials. Even Templars run both Orbs and Shards most of the time. And the Frozen Gate and Frost cloak is not what gives utility to Wardens, sure frost cloak does but not Frozen Gate, what makes Wardens good is their HoTs, and Minor Intellect combined with strong healing done buffs and Major Mending up time which can grant them really strong Minor Lifesteal, especially when done by an Argonian Warden.

Froil · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

Honestly it's a hard choice between 2 and 3. Maybe like 2.5 or something...
Templars are the best healers/support in the game, no doubt about it. Access to strong heals, a good burst heal, they synergize with it, lots of things like Shards for resource return, Nova for damage mitigation, a reliable purge, Purifying/Power of the Light...

Wardens are strong healers and supports, too, with passives that also synergize with healing, easy access to Major Mending and Minor Toughness, sustainability with the Netch, a strong yet inexpensive ultimate that can be easily farmed, but they don't have as much natural utility as a Templar. That is, no class based access to a resource return skill (i.e. Shards), no damage mitigation ability, or a purge for the group.

I like my Warden healer and I'm glad Wardens make good healers. Having one Templar and one Warden healer in trial groups can do a lot of good because of the variety of skills that can be used.

And in my opinion, best healer/support classes are in order from best to worst: Templar, Warden, Nightblade, Dragon Knight, Sorcerer.

paulsimonps · July 2017

Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer

Froil wrote: »

Honestly it's a hard choice between 2 and 3. Maybe like 2.5 or something...
Templars are the best healers/support in the game, no doubt about it. Access to strong heals, a good burst heal, they synergize with it, lots of things like Shards for resource return, Nova for damage mitigation, a reliable purge, Purifying/Power of the Light...

Wardens are strong healers and supports, too, with passives that also synergize with healing, easy access to Major Mending and Minor Toughness, sustainability with the Netch, a strong yet inexpensive ultimate that can be easily farmed, but they don't have as much natural utility as a Templar. That is, no class based access to a resource return skill (i.e. Shards), no damage mitigation ability, or a purge for the group.

I like my Warden healer and I'm glad Wardens make good healers. Having one Templar and one Warden healer in trial groups can do a lot of good because of the variety of skills that can be used.
And in my opinion, best healer/support classes are in order from best to worst: Templar, Warden, Nightblade, Dragon Knight, Sorcerer.

Enchanted Growth gives out Minor Endurance and Minor Intellect, Frost Cloak gives out Major Ward and Major Resolve which equals to about 7.9% damage mitigation to basically all but bleeds. Also Wardens have Sleet storm which gives Major Protection, which while applied differently to the Novas Major Maim has the same strength, 30% mitigation to all forms of damage.

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