enlightenment for pvp rank? like CP

Wing · July 2017

disclaimer, don't compare undaunted xp to pvp alliance rank, getting max undaunted is very easy these days and takes very little time, even fighters guild is easy enough to farm zombies to 10, and mages guild while probably the longest now still requires you to just roam around as far as effort is concerned and is far more available now after 1T.

note I'm also not talking about pvp skills, as that too is fairly easy to achieve these days and requires very little effort to get all the skills and the passives only effect pvp.

I'm talking about that massive grind after you have all the pvp skills, the alliance rank 10-50 that takes even those elite pvpers in their pvp guilds and there awesome groups months to years to hit 50. there is no longer any grind in the game like it (unless you want to count M. arena perfect weapon drops :P)

so could we have some form of enlightenment on AP gain to give those people that don't pvp constantly an ability to actually gain ap and rank?

also note this would not lead to all kinds of grand overlords over night, it would simply bring up the floor a bit in terms of progress, given time played it would still take a long amount of time, it would just become more reasonable for people that don't pvp often, and maybe get some people that don't play at all incentive to come play, and new blood is always fun.

Drakkdjinn · July 2017

We have it already.

Delves, check em out!

*The more you know!*

laksikus · July 2017

no

AP doesnt give you anything, so you dont need to grind it.

As its now, after all those changes and stupid AP boosts we got though patches, its too easy to get high ranked anyway.
Too many high ranked noobs running around.

Grand Overlord is one of the things left you really have to work for. Like endgame pve achievements.

So dont come here and demand we get it handed for free

Pepper8Jack · July 2017

Yes it does take quite a long time to climb the PvP ranks after rank 10, but I have to question why anyone would want to grind it in the first place.

The only incentives for doing so are A: The achievements for completionists, and B: The title/fancy symbol next to your name.

I'm a notorious completionist, and still A doesn't appeal to me since there's really no gain to be had from getting those achievements aside from B. B only holds value to some people because of the amount of time that you have to invest in order to get some of those fancy symbols, so reducing the time requirement would inherently reduce the value.

That said, any PvPer worth their salt could tell you that time spent in PvP (or total AP gained) is a poor indicator of a player's skill, so those fancy symbols don't really impress anybody other than the newbies who have no idea what it means.

Drakkdjinn · July 2017

laksikus wrote: »

no

AP doesnt give you anything, so you dont need to grind it.

As its now, after all those changes and stupid AP boosts we got though patches, its too easy to get high ranked anyway.
Too many high ranked noobs running around.

Grand Overlord is one of the things left you really have to work for. Like endgame pve achievements.

So dont come here and demand we get it handed for free

Disregard this post, its rubbish.

AP gives you tons of of sheet: golden jewelry, monster sets, overland sets, pvp sets, valuable motifs, skillpoints, etc etc etc.

G.O. is a function of how much you play, not how well; not really an achievement in the literal sense of the word.

laksikus · July 2017

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

no

AP doesnt give you anything, so you dont need to grind it.

As its now, after all those changes and stupid AP boosts we got though patches, its too easy to get high ranked anyway.
Too many high ranked noobs running around.

Grand Overlord is one of the things left you really have to work for. Like endgame pve achievements.

So dont come here and demand we get it handed for free

Disregard this post, its rubbish.

AP gives you tons of of sheet: golden jewelry, monster sets, overland sets, pvp sets, valuable motifs, skillpoints, etc etc etc.

G.O. is a function of how much you play, not how well; not really an achievement in the literal sense of the word.

then neither are endgame pve achievments a real achievment. But only show how much pve someone does. How long they train rotations, grind for gear to get bis...

golden jewelry from about 5 usefull sets, that get repeated since 1T?
overland sets which you can get easier from overland grind or just buying.
Motifs that doesnt give you anything cos no craftable set is really good.

Your post is rubbish.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Can't we not make getting pvp rank even easier?

Just play the game after you get your alliance skills to 10 theres nothing to unlock so rank becomes pointless anyway. It's just a measure of pvp playtime on that character.

Theres no real reason to buff ap gains.

Eirella · July 2017

Ew no.

KochDerDamonen · July 2017

laksikus wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

no

AP doesnt give you anything, so you dont need to grind it.

As its now, after all those changes and stupid AP boosts we got though patches, its too easy to get high ranked anyway.
Too many high ranked noobs running around.

Grand Overlord is one of the things left you really have to work for. Like endgame pve achievements.

So dont come here and demand we get it handed for free

Disregard this post, its rubbish.

AP gives you tons of of sheet: golden jewelry, monster sets, overland sets, pvp sets, valuable motifs, skillpoints, etc etc etc.

G.O. is a function of how much you play, not how well; not really an achievement in the literal sense of the word.

then neither are endgame pve achievments a real achievment. But only show how much pve someone does. How long they train rotations, grind for gear to get bis...

golden jewelry from about 5 usefull sets, that get repeated since 1T?
overland sets which you can get easier from overland grind or just buying.
Motifs that doesnt give you anything cos no craftable set is really good.

Your post is rubbish.

@laksikus You don't get flawless conquerer for doing vMA one hundred times, you get it for doing it without a death. You get Grand Overlord by earning a certain amount of AP from any source.

Fur_like_snow · July 2017

What is the point? Pvp ranks amount to relatively nothing besides some stars next to your name and a title. At least when I got master angler I had a stack of perfect roe to show for it.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

What is the point? Pvp ranks amount to relatively nothing besides some stars next to your name and a title. At least when I got master angler I had a stack of perfect roe to show for it.

Well to be fair when they get grand overlord they'll have millions of ap to show for it, which they'll convert to gold.

Fur_like_snow · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

What is the point? Pvp ranks amount to relatively nothing besides some stars next to your name and a title. At least when I got master angler I had a stack of perfect roe to show for it.

Well to be fair when they get grand overlord they'll have millions of ap to show for it, which they'll convert to gold.

I don't have grand overlord and I have millions of AP and nothing to spend it on mostly because the golden has such a limited number of items and the regional vendor boxes have terrible RNG. Gold is only important up to a certain point it would take way less time and effort to make gold using other methods.

This is why I think that vMA quality pvp rank specific weapons should exist for a real incentive to rank up. AP alone doesn't serve as much of an incentive IMO.

WreckfulAbandon · July 2017

How about an enlightenment system to address the rampant shoddy RNG?

Wing · July 2017

I would like to add then for the people saying that you work for it and such and that it should remain a grind.

as others have pointed out its purely time played, technically no skill is required at all, just time.

rank 50 offers more then just stars and a title, it offers skill points, colors, achievements, etc. a lot of what it offers appeal to completely opposite demographics then the PvP crowd (there are 4 main game play demographics)

PvP'ers "MIGHT" care about rank 50, but I doubt they would go for it if they did not already enjoy pvp, it does not come with any emperor like bonuses or power, or even a costume, they prolly don't care about the achievements because only a few people do, they prolly don't even care about the colors because most pvpers care more about sets and disguises that offer them a competitive edge in pvp over style.

most of the pvp rank rewards or reason for grinding it appeal to a more casual audience, and not pvp players. a lot of people want all the colors, achievements, titles, or skill points for various reasons. and some want it all, completionists as it were.

perhaps making AP more easy to collect or reducing the amount to climb ranks, while also adding something other then emperor to strive for (that is the real pvp skill based reward but sadly out of range of a lot of very good players and reserved for the elite)

things like some kind of reward or bonus for kills per death, or keeps taken per hour, or things like that. something not based on time played but based on skill of player, even though that probably is its own reward :P some form of graphical effect for pvp that you can toggle so people know just looking at your character. (or you can hide if you don't want them to know)

Sheey · July 2017

Bleakers 2.0

we need more grand overlords they started playing the game 2 weeks ago.

Kalante · July 2017

i am rank 48 and i don't want to reach grand overlord. It is eminent as grade two is growing every day little by little. It's like a nightmare.

Wing · July 2017

Sheey wrote: »

Bleakers 2.0

we need more grand overlords they started playing the game 2 weeks ago.

um actually no, the enlightenment system (as with CP if you are unfamiliar) only creates a pool of double xp (or in this case AP) if you are not playing ESO for a long period of time, and caps at a specific amount.

so if you were to pvp constantly, you would actually have no bonus AP

if you pvp off and on, you would benefit from bonus ap for a limited time.

there would be NO DECREASE on the Minimum amount of time required to attain grand overload.

rather, there would be a decrease on the maximum time required to play.

*if that's still too hard to understand.*

say it takes 10 days minimum to reach grand overlord for player A, and 100 days for player B.

player A plays constantly and lives in pvp, player B mostly PvE's and does not play as much ESO as player A

if enlightenment were added to AP

it would still take player A 10 days to reach grand overlord, and say 60 days ish for player B.

as player A plays enough that they would not benefit from it, but player b does not play as frequently so gets a small bonus when they do.

same ceiling, higher floor.

this concept has been added to ALOT of games over the years and will only continue to grow, its a catch up mechanic. if you think its a new invention, the Mario cart blue shell is the same thing actually! XD

DisgracefulMind · July 2017

I don't think so. It's just wrong to expect ZoS to hand out things to players all the time. I have a GO, and I did work pretty hard for it. Yeah, it's a huge grind, but I didn't just get it from "AP farming". I played to my full potential as much as I could to earn my AP, a lot of the time highly outnumbered.

I don't think the community should obtain something so hard worked for so easily.

Taleof2Cities · July 2017

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

Yes it does take quite a long time to climb the PvP ranks after rank 10, but I have to question why anyone would want to grind it in the first place.

The only incentives for doing so are A: The achievements for completionists, and B: The title/fancy symbol next to your name.

laksikus wrote: »

golden jewelry from about 5 usefull sets, that get repeated since 1T?
overland sets which you can get easier from overland grind or just buying.
Motifs that doesnt give you anything cos no craftable set is really good.

Your post is rubbish.

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

What is the point? Pvp ranks amount to relatively nothing besides some stars next to your name and a title. At least when I got master angler I had a stack of perfect roe to show for it.

Nobody here thinks skill points aren't an incentive to do the Alliance Rank grind??

You're willing to just write off those 50 skill points for your character?

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

Yes it does take quite a long time to climb the PvP ranks after rank 10, but I have to question why anyone would want to grind it in the first place.

The only incentives for doing so are A: The achievements for completionists, and B: The title/fancy symbol next to your name.

laksikus wrote: »

golden jewelry from about 5 usefull sets, that get repeated since 1T?
overland sets which you can get easier from overland grind or just buying.
Motifs that doesnt give you anything cos no craftable set is really good.

Your post is rubbish.

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

What is the point? Pvp ranks amount to relatively nothing besides some stars next to your name and a title. At least when I got master angler I had a stack of perfect roe to show for it.

Nobody here thinks skill points aren't an incentive to do the Alliance Rank grind??

You're willing to just write off those 50 skill points for your character?

If i really needed skill points i'd grind skyshards or do skill quests, they are a lot easier.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Wing wrote: »

Sheey wrote: »

Bleakers 2.0

we need more grand overlords they started playing the game 2 weeks ago.

um actually no, the enlightenment system (as with CP if you are unfamiliar) only creates a pool of double xp (or in this case AP) if you are not playing ESO for a long period of time, and caps at a specific amount.

so if you were to pvp constantly, you would actually have no bonus AP

if you pvp off and on, you would benefit from bonus ap for a limited time.

there would be NO DECREASE on the Minimum amount of time required to attain grand overload.

rather, there would be a decrease on the maximum time required to play.

*if that's still too hard to understand.*

say it takes 10 days minimum to reach grand overlord for player A, and 100 days for player B.

player A plays constantly and lives in pvp, player B mostly PvE's and does not play as much ESO as player A

if enlightenment were added to AP

it would still take player A 10 days to reach grand overlord, and say 60 days ish for player B.

as player A plays enough that they would not benefit from it, but player b does not play as frequently so gets a small bonus when they do.

same ceiling, higher floor.

this concept has been added to ALOT of games over the years and will only continue to grow, its a catch up mechanic. if you think its a new invention, the Mario cart blue shell is the same thing actually! XD

But what exactly are you catching up on? Skill points?

Fur_like_snow · July 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

Yes it does take quite a long time to climb the PvP ranks after rank 10, but I have to question why anyone would want to grind it in the first place.

The only incentives for doing so are A: The achievements for completionists, and B: The title/fancy symbol next to your name.

laksikus wrote: »

golden jewelry from about 5 usefull sets, that get repeated since 1T?
overland sets which you can get easier from overland grind or just buying.
Motifs that doesnt give you anything cos no craftable set is really good.

Your post is rubbish.

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

What is the point? Pvp ranks amount to relatively nothing besides some stars next to your name and a title. At least when I got master angler I had a stack of perfect roe to show for it.

Nobody here thinks skill points aren't an incentive to do the Alliance Rank grind??

You're willing to just write off those 50 skill points for your character?

Most of my characters have unspent skills points considering how easy it is to earn them thru skyshards, main quest, mages guild, group dungeons etc etc. So yeah, pretty simple to write those off tbh. Even if you never stepped foot in Cyrodiil you would still have more than enough skill points unless you're one of those people that must have every single passive. So yes, they are an incentive just not a very good one imo.

Anne_Firehawk · July 2017

You can get the 20% AP-Buff, other than that, no. We don't want it and we don't need it.

laksikus · July 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

no

AP doesnt give you anything, so you dont need to grind it.

As its now, after all those changes and stupid AP boosts we got though patches, its too easy to get high ranked anyway.
Too many high ranked noobs running around.

Grand Overlord is one of the things left you really have to work for. Like endgame pve achievements.

So dont come here and demand we get it handed for free

Disregard this post, its rubbish.

AP gives you tons of of sheet: golden jewelry, monster sets, overland sets, pvp sets, valuable motifs, skillpoints, etc etc etc.

G.O. is a function of how much you play, not how well; not really an achievement in the literal sense of the word.

then neither are endgame pve achievments a real achievment. But only show how much pve someone does. How long they train rotations, grind for gear to get bis...

golden jewelry from about 5 usefull sets, that get repeated since 1T?
overland sets which you can get easier from overland grind or just buying.
Motifs that doesnt give you anything cos no craftable set is really good.

Your post is rubbish.

@laksikus You don't get flawless conquerer for doing vMA one hundred times, you get it for doing it without a death. You get Grand Overlord by earning a certain amount of AP from any source.

@KochDerDamonen
If you cant do msa flawless after 100 tried nobody can help you. Everyone should be able to do flawless after he did it 99 times unless his ping is bad
You do it enough times and you remember spawn points and mechanics. And sooner or later flawless will come to you anyway.
I got it on 4 chars by chance. Didnt try for flawless once and still got it without using any sigils.

KochDerDamonen · July 2017

laksikus wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

no

AP doesnt give you anything, so you dont need to grind it.

As its now, after all those changes and stupid AP boosts we got though patches, its too easy to get high ranked anyway.
Too many high ranked noobs running around.

Grand Overlord is one of the things left you really have to work for. Like endgame pve achievements.

So dont come here and demand we get it handed for free

Disregard this post, its rubbish.

AP gives you tons of of sheet: golden jewelry, monster sets, overland sets, pvp sets, valuable motifs, skillpoints, etc etc etc.

G.O. is a function of how much you play, not how well; not really an achievement in the literal sense of the word.

then neither are endgame pve achievments a real achievment. But only show how much pve someone does. How long they train rotations, grind for gear to get bis...

golden jewelry from about 5 usefull sets, that get repeated since 1T?
overland sets which you can get easier from overland grind or just buying.
Motifs that doesnt give you anything cos no craftable set is really good.

Your post is rubbish.

@laksikus You don't get flawless conquerer for doing vMA one hundred times, you get it for doing it without a death. You get Grand Overlord by earning a certain amount of AP from any source.

@KochDerDamonen
If you cant do msa flawless after 100 tried nobody can help you. Everyone should be able to do flawless after he did it 99 times unless his ping is bad
You do it enough times and you remember spawn points and mechanics. And sooner or later flawless will come to you anyway.
I got it on 4 chars by chance. Didnt try for flawless once and still got it without using any sigils.

@Laksikus It was a simple description of how each achievment is obtained. Complete X without dying v.s. grind a currency

The longer time goes on, the less either achievment means as much as it does now. However Flawless Conquerer will represent something you've done, while Grand Overlord will mean you've played pvp long enough.

To make it very clear, I would never be GO because I don't like going to Cyro if I can help it (IC would be better if they took away the zerg flags, still prefer it). I don't care about the title, skill points, and only marginally about the dyes. I don't care how long the AP grind is for them, I just wouldn't do it anyways. I do care about making a point, about why two things are different from eachother. Grinding is the third most awful type of achievment, right behind 'use X 3rd party service to promote this game for us' and 'be in a match with a dev' achievments, in my opinion.

Miswar · July 2017

No AP enlightenment needed. ZoS have nerfed too much already for the new players as it is.

You want the rank. Go Play PvP as others have. You complain and don't want to "grind" AP... well please continue as you do.

For sure NO AP enlightenment needed whatsoever.

KingYogi415 · July 2017

You get 8k AP just for standing around light attacking whenever a castle flips.

How much easier can it be?

Any zergling scrub can get emp now by flipping keeps all day, it's stupid casual...

incite · July 2017

No thx, too many casual grand overlords getting rekted by tyros, its hilariously sad

Besides, grand overlord shouldnt be for the "I pvp twice a week" player

Kilandros · July 2017

Wing wrote: »

Sheey wrote: »

Bleakers 2.0

we need more grand overlords they started playing the game 2 weeks ago.

um actually no, the enlightenment system (as with CP if you are unfamiliar) only creates a pool of double xp (or in this case AP) if you are not playing ESO for a long period of time, and caps at a specific amount.

so if you were to pvp constantly, you would actually have no bonus AP

if you pvp off and on, you would benefit from bonus ap for a limited time.

there would be NO DECREASE on the Minimum amount of time required to attain grand overload.

rather, there would be a decrease on the maximum time required to play.

*if that's still too hard to understand.*

say it takes 10 days minimum to reach grand overlord for player A, and 100 days for player B.

player A plays constantly and lives in pvp, player B mostly PvE's and does not play as much ESO as player A

if enlightenment were added to AP

it would still take player A 10 days to reach grand overlord, and say 60 days ish for player B.

as player A plays enough that they would not benefit from it, but player b does not play as frequently so gets a small bonus when they do.

same ceiling, higher floor.

this concept has been added to ALOT of games over the years and will only continue to grow, its a catch up mechanic. if you think its a new invention, the Mario cart blue shell is the same thing actually! XD

Why should it be easier for players who don't PvP much to achieve alliance ranks? If you guys want the ranks, then go PvP.

Wing · July 2017

Kilandros wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Sheey wrote: »

Bleakers 2.0

we need more grand overlords they started playing the game 2 weeks ago.

um actually no, the enlightenment system (as with CP if you are unfamiliar) only creates a pool of double xp (or in this case AP) if you are not playing ESO for a long period of time, and caps at a specific amount.

so if you were to pvp constantly, you would actually have no bonus AP

if you pvp off and on, you would benefit from bonus ap for a limited time.

there would be NO DECREASE on the Minimum amount of time required to attain grand overload.

rather, there would be a decrease on the maximum time required to play.

*if that's still too hard to understand.*

say it takes 10 days minimum to reach grand overlord for player A, and 100 days for player B.

player A plays constantly and lives in pvp, player B mostly PvE's and does not play as much ESO as player A

if enlightenment were added to AP

it would still take player A 10 days to reach grand overlord, and say 60 days ish for player B.

as player A plays enough that they would not benefit from it, but player b does not play as frequently so gets a small bonus when they do.

same ceiling, higher floor.

this concept has been added to ALOT of games over the years and will only continue to grow, its a catch up mechanic. if you think its a new invention, the Mario cart blue shell is the same thing actually! XD

Why should it be easier for players who don't PvP much to achieve alliance ranks? If you guys want the ranks, then go PvP.

why should it be easier for people who don't play much to get CP? if they want CP play the game. etc.

Miruku · July 2017

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH ahahahahahahahaah ahahahahaha ahaahahahah

No.

The reason cp enlightenment exists is so players who just got CP level can get to the cap quicker each day because CP's are what allow you to be competitive on a CP camp and in PVE your AVA rank has nothing to do with skill at all and doesn't make you anymore or any less competitive. Overall useless a bad idea and would devalue my none my prior none AP exploited rank 50 even further.