Malacthulhu wrote: »
Malacthulhu wrote: »
And who are you to trample the ways our forum works? We talk about auction house every week. Same as we do with nerf Sorcs and token system threads. And now you come here and want to start a second AH thread in one week? This is unheard of! What a blasphemy!
Malacthulhu wrote: »
Sorry OP but expect the flames.Malacthulhu wrote: »
imnotanother wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »Sorry OP but expect the flames.Malacthulhu wrote: »
You brought up a topic, that literally, is brought up weekly for the last 3 years.
ZOS made it clear that they won't add an AH.
You wasted your time and everyone else's.
AH threads usually turn into meme threads then are closed.
Drachenfier wrote: »Even though I'm fanatically pro AH, these threads are pointless. That's one tried and true feature that this game just isn't going to get.
The fact that this topic comes up as constantly as it does demonstrates that it is far from being a dead horse.
Besides, the OP offers a different slant on it. Personally I prefer the idea of having a NPC trader in the main trading locations through whom anyone could list a very restricted number of items at high commission to be shared between the guilds trading in that location. It would cater for casual sellers as well as those who are either not in a trading guild or else are in a trading guild that doesn't have a trader at that time.
The fact that this topic comes up as constantly as it does demonstrates that it is far from being a dead horse.
Besides, the OP offers a different slant on it. Personally I prefer the idea of having a NPC trader in the main trading locations through whom anyone could list a very restricted number of items at high commission to be shared between the guilds trading in that location. It would cater for casual sellers as well as those who are either not in a trading guild or else are in a trading guild that doesn't have a trader at that time.
CountEdmondDantes wrote: »Okay, if you would like a relevant comment: What did you honestly expect people to say to this?
I mean, really, I've only had the game for a short time and this is like the twentieth new thread asking for an auction house since I've been on the forum. Since release in 2014, there have been hundreds. A simple search of the forums would have shown you that.
And with all those threads, what has changed? Nothing.
The odds of Zenimax ever adding any kind of auction house are about half-way between very slim and none at all. People have proposed dozens and dozens of different ideas all of which have been ignored - again, a simple search will show you this.
So you might want to dial down the attitude a notch or two because even I'm tired of seeing these threads. As to your idea: Why would I support a mere five item limit when I can have thirty items in my current trade guild? Even if I wanted a global auction house, I wouldn't want that.
Now if you get offended, I'm going to assume you don't really want feedback, but rather just want people to tell you how good your idea is.
Malacthulhu wrote: »
Malacthulhu wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »Even though I'm fanatically pro AH, these threads are pointless. That's one tried and true feature that this game just isn't going to get.
I have to agree with you however I still wanted to toss the idea out there. Maybe next time I will explore another avenue.
Malacthulhu wrote: »CountEdmondDantes wrote: »Okay, if you would like a relevant comment: What did you honestly expect people to say to this?
I mean, really, I've only had the game for a short time and this is like the twentieth new thread asking for an auction house since I've been on the forum. Since release in 2014, there have been hundreds. A simple search of the forums would have shown you that.
And with all those threads, what has changed? Nothing.
The odds of Zenimax ever adding any kind of auction house are about half-way between very slim and none at all. People have proposed dozens and dozens of different ideas all of which have been ignored - again, a simple search will show you this.
So you might want to dial down the attitude a notch or two because even I'm tired of seeing these threads. As to your idea: Why would I support a mere five item limit when I can have thirty items in my current trade guild? Even if I wanted a global auction house, I wouldn't want that.
Now if you get offended, I'm going to assume you don't really want feedback, but rather just want people to tell you how good your idea is.
I have not been offended yet, nor have I expressed any emotion about this. I am aware of everything you said. I was also accused of not taking critque before any was given other then people whining about seeing another ah thread pop up. An Ah would be more fast paced for x amount of people not all, compared to traders. At least that is my thinking.
CountEdmondDantes wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »CountEdmondDantes wrote: »Okay, if you would like a relevant comment: What did you honestly expect people to say to this?
I mean, really, I've only had the game for a short time and this is like the twentieth new thread asking for an auction house since I've been on the forum. Since release in 2014, there have been hundreds. A simple search of the forums would have shown you that.
And with all those threads, what has changed? Nothing.
The odds of Zenimax ever adding any kind of auction house are about half-way between very slim and none at all. People have proposed dozens and dozens of different ideas all of which have been ignored - again, a simple search will show you this.
So you might want to dial down the attitude a notch or two because even I'm tired of seeing these threads. As to your idea: Why would I support a mere five item limit when I can have thirty items in my current trade guild? Even if I wanted a global auction house, I wouldn't want that.
Now if you get offended, I'm going to assume you don't really want feedback, but rather just want people to tell you how good your idea is.
I have not been offended yet, nor have I expressed any emotion about this. I am aware of everything you said. I was also accused of not taking critque before any was given other then people whining about seeing another ah thread pop up. An Ah would be more fast paced for x amount of people not all, compared to traders. At least that is my thinking.
An Auction House would be faster, yes. That is true. It would also level pricing. Completely level them.
For example, look at Tamriel Trade Center: https://tamrieltradecentre.com/. This has already had an effect on prices. Now, with Tamriel One, I can find an item, always select the cheapest option, travel to that guild store by either using a wayshrine or traveling to a guild member, and buy the item.
An AH would surely be faster than going capital to capital. It would lower prices. It would benefit buyers. The current system benefits sellers and trade guilds. In the current system, a trade guild can leverage their trader position (say a good trader in Morrowind), against gold from their members (e.g. "We need money to keep up our guild ...) Is it fair? Probably not.
An Auction House benefits buyers and trade guilds go away. They would offer no service to the player. People who get the shiny McGuffins first would be the ones to sell them for the most money. Players would naturally undercut one another, forcing prices downard. There would be no market, just a slow slide of lowering prices.
Of course, all of this has been discussed in detail - as you said you knew. The only effect I can see to limiting a player to five items is that slow slide is a little slower. And if we're going to have an AH, let's just have one and be done with it.
imnotanother wrote: »CountEdmondDantes wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »CountEdmondDantes wrote: »Okay, if you would like a relevant comment: What did you honestly expect people to say to this?
I mean, really, I've only had the game for a short time and this is like the twentieth new thread asking for an auction house since I've been on the forum. Since release in 2014, there have been hundreds. A simple search of the forums would have shown you that.
And with all those threads, what has changed? Nothing.
The odds of Zenimax ever adding any kind of auction house are about half-way between very slim and none at all. People have proposed dozens and dozens of different ideas all of which have been ignored - again, a simple search will show you this.
So you might want to dial down the attitude a notch or two because even I'm tired of seeing these threads. As to your idea: Why would I support a mere five item limit when I can have thirty items in my current trade guild? Even if I wanted a global auction house, I wouldn't want that.
Now if you get offended, I'm going to assume you don't really want feedback, but rather just want people to tell you how good your idea is.
I have not been offended yet, nor have I expressed any emotion about this. I am aware of everything you said. I was also accused of not taking critque before any was given other then people whining about seeing another ah thread pop up. An Ah would be more fast paced for x amount of people not all, compared to traders. At least that is my thinking.
An Auction House would be faster, yes. That is true. It would also level pricing. Completely level them.
For example, look at Tamriel Trade Center: https://tamrieltradecentre.com/. This has already had an effect on prices. Now, with Tamriel One, I can find an item, always select the cheapest option, travel to that guild store by either using a wayshrine or traveling to a guild member, and buy the item.
An AH would surely be faster than going capital to capital. It would lower prices. It would benefit buyers. The current system benefits sellers and trade guilds. In the current system, a trade guild can leverage their trader position (say a good trader in Morrowind), against gold from their members (e.g. "We need money to keep up our guild ...) Is it fair? Probably not.
An Auction House benefits buyers and trade guilds go away. They would offer no service to the player. People who get the shiny McGuffins first would be the ones to sell them for the most money. Players would naturally undercut one another, forcing prices downard. There would be no market, just a slow slide of lowering prices.
Of course, all of this has been discussed in detail - as you said you knew. The only effect I can see to limiting a player to five items is that slow slide is a little slower. And if we're going to have an AH, let's just have one and be done with it.
Bots would buy and undercut the market so fast, you'd be begging for the current system.
The fact that this topic comes up as constantly as it does demonstrates that it is far from being a dead horse.
Besides, the OP offers a different slant on it. Personally I prefer the idea of having a NPC trader in the main trading locations through whom anyone could list a very restricted number of items at high commission to be shared between the guilds trading in that location. It would cater for casual sellers as well as those who are either not in a trading guild or else are in a trading guild that doesn't have a trader at that time.
Nope. It is a dead horse topic by definition.
imnotanother wrote: »CountEdmondDantes wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »CountEdmondDantes wrote: »Okay, if you would like a relevant comment: What did you honestly expect people to say to this?
I mean, really, I've only had the game for a short time and this is like the twentieth new thread asking for an auction house since I've been on the forum. Since release in 2014, there have been hundreds. A simple search of the forums would have shown you that.
And with all those threads, what has changed? Nothing.
The odds of Zenimax ever adding any kind of auction house are about half-way between very slim and none at all. People have proposed dozens and dozens of different ideas all of which have been ignored - again, a simple search will show you this.
So you might want to dial down the attitude a notch or two because even I'm tired of seeing these threads. As to your idea: Why would I support a mere five item limit when I can have thirty items in my current trade guild? Even if I wanted a global auction house, I wouldn't want that.
Now if you get offended, I'm going to assume you don't really want feedback, but rather just want people to tell you how good your idea is.
I have not been offended yet, nor have I expressed any emotion about this. I am aware of everything you said. I was also accused of not taking critque before any was given other then people whining about seeing another ah thread pop up. An Ah would be more fast paced for x amount of people not all, compared to traders. At least that is my thinking.
An Auction House would be faster, yes. That is true. It would also level pricing. Completely level them.
For example, look at Tamriel Trade Center: https://tamrieltradecentre.com/. This has already had an effect on prices. Now, with Tamriel One, I can find an item, always select the cheapest option, travel to that guild store by either using a wayshrine or traveling to a guild member, and buy the item.
An AH would surely be faster than going capital to capital. It would lower prices. It would benefit buyers. The current system benefits sellers and trade guilds. In the current system, a trade guild can leverage their trader position (say a good trader in Morrowind), against gold from their members (e.g. "We need money to keep up our guild ...) Is it fair? Probably not.
An Auction House benefits buyers and trade guilds go away. They would offer no service to the player. People who get the shiny McGuffins first would be the ones to sell them for the most money. Players would naturally undercut one another, forcing prices downard. There would be no market, just a slow slide of lowering prices.
Of course, all of this has been discussed in detail - as you said you knew. The only effect I can see to limiting a player to five items is that slow slide is a little slower. And if we're going to have an AH, let's just have one and be done with it.
Bots would buy and undercut the market so fast, you'd be begging for the current system.
The fact that this topic comes up as constantly as it does demonstrates that it is far from being a dead horse.
Besides, the OP offers a different slant on it. Personally I prefer the idea of having a NPC trader in the main trading locations through whom anyone could list a very restricted number of items at high commission to be shared between the guilds trading in that location. It would cater for casual sellers as well as those who are either not in a trading guild or else are in a trading guild that doesn't have a trader at that time.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The fact that this topic comes up as constantly as it does demonstrates that it is far from being a dead horse.
Besides, the OP offers a different slant on it. Personally I prefer the idea of having a NPC trader in the main trading locations through whom anyone could list a very restricted number of items at high commission to be shared between the guilds trading in that location. It would cater for casual sellers as well as those who are either not in a trading guild or else are in a trading guild that doesn't have a trader at that time.
It's a dead horse regardless of the slant as the devs purposely chose a system and that system has proven to bring ESO a vibrant and successful economy that fulfills the social aspect of trading the devs desired. This is what speaks loudest and speaks volumes.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The fact that this topic comes up as constantly as it does demonstrates that it is far from being a dead horse.
Besides, the OP offers a different slant on it. Personally I prefer the idea of having a NPC trader in the main trading locations through whom anyone could list a very restricted number of items at high commission to be shared between the guilds trading in that location. It would cater for casual sellers as well as those who are either not in a trading guild or else are in a trading guild that doesn't have a trader at that time.
It's a dead horse regardless of the slant as the devs purposely chose a system and that system has proven to bring ESO a vibrant and successful economy that fulfills the social aspect of trading the devs desired. This is what speaks loudest and speaks volumes.
They purposely chose a system that relied solely on guild stores, yet they responded to criticisms by adding traders in the open world. That was a pretty massive change in comparison to the modest one I'm suggesting.
I'm sure that those who make millions from the trading system regard it as a vibrant and successful economy, but the fact that it caters for such a small part of the playerbase would suggest otherwise. As for the social aspect of trading, there's nothing remotely social about belonging to several trading guilds whose members barely communicate and basing all your prices on an addon.