Dawnbreaker is Dodgeable
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Title says it all . I didn't notice until some guy I was dueling with mentioned it . It is an AOE and WAS undodgeable . I didn't see anything in the patch notes about it . This is a gamechanger for stamina users in PvP . I didn't see any threads about it in forums so wanted to throw this here . Clearly not intended and needs a fix .
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casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There have been multiple threads about this since May 22, none of which got acknowledged. It would be good at least to know whether this change was intended or not. It seems several changes were made that didn't get mentioned in the patch notes (like the pet health regen change), and so this could have been one of them. @ZOS_GinaBruno any word on this? Was it an intended change to make Dawnbreaker dodgeable?7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.2 -
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✭Dawnbreaker has a pretty small AoE, are you sure they arent just dodge rolling out of the AoE?0 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dawnbreaker has a pretty small AoE, are you sure they arent just dodge rolling out of the AoE?
Have a look at all the threads there have been about it. We know pretty conclusively that it is actually dodgeable.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.1 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerHey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.0 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
Hi Gina,
It hasn't been dodgeable for a very long time -- or ever, to my knowledge. It only started being dodgeable in the Morrowind update.
At least now we know not to wait for a fix. Thanks for the response!Edited by casparian on June 30, 2017 3:07PM7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.1 -
Liofa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
It was not dodgeable before Morrowind , I can say that . But anyways , thanks for info .0 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
It was not dodgeable before Morrowind , I can say that . But anyways , thanks for info .
Ah, you're right. Sorry about that! We did fix a bug with Dawnbreaker that was allowing it to be dodged in some cases prior to Morrowind, but that was never intended and it should be dodgeable.1 -
LegendaryMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can someone confirm if mass hysteria is dodgeable now? Because if it's not, it wouldn't really be fair for an ultimate to be dodgeable and an ordinary ability not.3 -
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✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »Can someone confirm if mass hysteria is dodgeable now? Because if it's not, it wouldn't really be fair for an ultimate to be dodgeable and an ordinary ability not.
Lots of ultimates are dodgeable.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »Can someone confirm if mass hysteria is dodgeable now? Because if it's not, it wouldn't really be fair for an ultimate to be dodgeable and an ordinary ability not.
Imagine now that @ZOS_GinaBruno post an info that fear should be dodgeable as it was intended and they'll fix that bug. Nb community would tear forum apart
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CavalryPK✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »Can someone confirm if mass hysteria is dodgeable now? Because if it's not, it wouldn't really be fair for an ultimate to be dodgeable and an ordinary ability not.
Imagine now that @ZOS_GinaBruno post an info that fear should be dodgeable as it was intended and they'll fix that bug. Nb community would tear forum apart
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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
It was not dodgeable before Morrowind , I can say that . But anyways , thanks for info .
Ah, you're right. Sorry about that! We did fix a bug with Dawnbreaker that was allowing it to be dodged in some cases prior to Morrowind, but that was never intended and it should be dodgeable.
PTS update 2.7.2 states that aoe abilities should NOT be dodgeable. Stating Dragon Leap as a prime example. So why did this change?Edited by Koolio on June 30, 2017 3:53PM12 -
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✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
It was not dodgeable before Morrowind , I can say that . But anyways , thanks for info .
Ah, you're right. Sorry about that! We did fix a bug with Dawnbreaker that was allowing it to be dodged in some cases prior to Morrowind, but that was never intended and it should be dodgeable.
PTS update 2.7.2 states that aoe abilities should NOT be dodgeable. Stating Dragon Leap as a prime example. So why did this change?
Great point. Similarly, if Dawnbreaker is dodgeable, why can't I avoid the Destro ult's damage by roll-dodging within the AOE?
Gina, we're not talking about simply avoiding the Dawnbreaker AOE -- that's always been possible, of course. What has been happening since Morrowind (and never happened before) is that players who get caught in the Dawnbreaker AOE can nevertheless still be unaffected by the skill, either by roll-dodging (but staying within the AOE) or getting lucky with Shuffle. Is that intended behavior?7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.5 -
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✭✭You also made jabs for Templar Not dodgeable(Aoe) stating the same reason. Consistency. So why is Dawnbreaker not consistent with ALL other Aoe abilities?
Edited by Koolio on June 30, 2017 4:21PM1 -
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✭✭@Koolio made a very valid point . By ZOS logic , either Dawnbreaker change will be reverted or Dragon Leap and jabs will be able to dodged again . Will we see a change to the current way of working , @ZOS_GinaBruno ?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭More likely they're all confused beyond hope at ZOS hq, and don't in fact know what should or should not be dodgeable, nor the meaning of the word "consistent."3 -
SwaminoNowlino✭✭✭✭✭Cannot agree more. Per ZOS's own admission, AOE abilities should not be doidgable. This change has largely ruined this ability for me, and I have unslotted it on my stam characters. It used to be strategic, apply pressure, force a dodge roll, then pop dawnbreaker in the middle of that roll. Now I've wasted 125 ultimate because they can dodge or shuffle it.Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden
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✭✭SwaminoNowlino wrote: »Cannot agree more. Per ZOS's own admission, AOE abilities should not be doidgable. This change has largely ruined this ability for me, and I have unslotted it on my stam characters. It used to be strategic, apply pressure, force a dodge roll, then pop dawnbreaker in the middle of that roll. Now I've wasted 125 ultimate because they can dodge or shuffle it.
I've tried to get things like this fixed like clouding swarm healing ward (unsuccessfully) but Templar remembrance and soul assault fixed. So I would say 50/50 they fix it.0 -
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✭LegendaryMage wrote: »Can someone confirm if mass hysteria is dodgeable now? Because if it's not, it wouldn't really be fair for an ultimate to be dodgeable and an ordinary ability not.
Lots of ultimates are dodgeable.
Lots of ultimates are single target non aoe abilities. Dawnbreaker being dodgeable is not consistent with other ultimates, or even regular skills for that matter.LegendaryMage wrote: »Can someone confirm if mass hysteria is dodgeable now? Because if it's not, it wouldn't really be fair for an ultimate to be dodgeable and an ordinary ability not.
Imagine now that @ZOS_GinaBruno post an info that fear should be dodgeable as it was intended and they'll fix that bug. Nb community would tear forum apart
While we're at it, why don't they give fear some damage as well. AOE hard cc, snare, minor maim, going through block/dodge isn't enough already.
Edited by LegendaryMage on June 30, 2017 5:26PM2 -
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
It was not dodgeable before Morrowind , I can say that . But anyways , thanks for info .
Ah, you're right. Sorry about that! We did fix a bug with Dawnbreaker that was allowing it to be dodged in some cases prior to Morrowind, but that was never intended and it should be dodgeable.
I am confused here.
Comment 1- Dawnbreaker was always supposed to be Dodge-able. Ok
Comment 2- There was a bug which allowed it to be dodged? WTH? And then they fixed the bug and now it can be dodged (again) So ZOS fixed the bug which allowed the skill to be dodged ( but the skill was supposed to be dodged in the 1st place) in order to make the skill dodgeable?
Combined comment 1 & 2- Dodge was always intended but the bug allowing dodge was not intended?
Or is it a bug now, and simply saying it's working as intended is the easy way out, as it has been recently with so many other bugs, where things are always working as intended (as per ZOS).
This is too much for me...
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
It was not dodgeable before Morrowind , I can say that . But anyways , thanks for info .
Ah, you're right. Sorry about that! We did fix a bug with Dawnbreaker that was allowing it to be dodged in some cases prior to Morrowind, but that was never intended and it should be dodgeable.
I am confused here.
Comment 1- Dawnbreaker was always supposed to be Dodge-able. Ok
Comment 2- There was a bug which allowed it to be dodged? WTH? And then they fixed the bug and now it can be dodged (again) So ZOS fixed the bug which allowed the skill to be dodged ( but the skill was supposed to be dodged in the 1st place) in order to make the skill dodgeable?
Combined comment 1 & 2- Dodge was always intended but the bug allowing dodge was not intended?
Or is it a bug now, and simply saying it's working as intended is the easy way out, as it has been recently with so many other bugs, where things are always working as intended (as per ZOS).
This is too much for me...
help...
This seems to be the ZOS way nowadays.4 -
Anne_Firehawk✭✭✭✭✭Shouldn't AOEs always be undodgeable @ZOS_GinaBruno ?Anne Firehawk | Legate | Bringer of Light | Voice of Reason | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Magicka DK forever
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✭✭✭✭✭Isn't Dawnbreaker a bit of a weird AoE in that the damage "sticks" with you even after you leave the area? You can get hit by first tick of Jabs and still get out of cone and avoid the other 3 jabs. But with Dawnbreaker, it seems like once you are hit, it sticks with you, similar to something like Venom Arrow or Vampire's Bane. I am not sure how that affects internal mechanics of skill. I am not sure if that means it should or should not be dodgeable. But Dawnbreaker does not seem to be as clear-cut an AoE as something like Biting Jabs.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
It was not dodgeable before Morrowind , I can say that . But anyways , thanks for info .
Ah, you're right. Sorry about that! We did fix a bug with Dawnbreaker that was allowing it to be dodged in some cases prior to Morrowind, but that was never intended and it should be dodgeable.
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, it's actually intended that Dawnbreaker can be dodged; this should always have been the case.
It was not dodgeable before Morrowind , I can say that . But anyways , thanks for info .
Ah, you're right. Sorry about that! We did fix a bug with Dawnbreaker that was allowing it to be dodged in some cases prior to Morrowind, but that was never intended and it should be dodgeable.
PTS update 2.7.2 states that aoe abilities should NOT be dodgeable. Stating Dragon Leap as a prime example. So why did this change?
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✭I think it is fair that you can dodge db since it is an instant damage ulti with no warning like meteor.
Can we also get some counter to other ultimates? Looking at dragon leap and soul assaultAnne_Firehawk wrote: »Shouldn't AOEs always be undodgeable @ZOS_GinaBruno ?
No, only magica aoe are undodgeable.
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