CMFan1966 wrote: »

I've never called anyone an elitist. I've thought it a time or two, but if someone is actually trying to help me, I would never try to alienate them. I've only thought it when someone is spamming their skills in front of a large group of players because they think it makes them look cool.

And @Orjix ...um, my feelings wouldn't be hurt if you explained to me about animation cancelling.

@CMFan1966 well, i still am TERRIBLE at it and im not really sure how it works, but the basic idea is that after casting an ability you preform another action so that both of the effects play out at the same time, thus you dont have to wait for the complete animation to play before doing something else. the ability you use is mathed in immediately, but you cant preform another action untill the animation is played out so by doing something that ends the animation (light attacking, bar swapping) you can put in more abilities in a shorter amount of time- upping your DPS. this was a pretty bad explanation and there are a lot more guys who understand this a LOT better then i do or can, so just search it up (in my experiance asking your guild only gets you no help and you get called an idiot a lot "what? your cp 550 and you dont know what animation canceling is? what a moron!")

I really hope you didnt ask this as a joke or i just made myself look like an idiot, its a good thing i dont care

Orjix wrote: »

CMFan1966 wrote: »

I've never called anyone an elitist. I've thought it a time or two, but if someone is actually trying to help me, I would never try to alienate them. I've only thought it when someone is spamming their skills in front of a large group of players because they think it makes them look cool.

And @Orjix ...um, my feelings wouldn't be hurt if you explained to me about animation cancelling.

@CMFan1966 well, i still am TERRIBLE at it and im not really sure how it works, but the basic idea is that after casting an ability you preform another action so that both of the effects play out at the same time, thus you dont have to wait for the complete animation to play before doing something else. the ability you use is mathed in immediately, but you cant preform another action untill the animation is played out so by doing something that ends the animation (light attacking, bar swapping) you can put in more abilities in a shorter amount of time- upping your DPS. this was a pretty bad explanation and there are a lot more guys who understand this a LOT better then i do or can, so just search it up (in my experiance asking your guild only gets you no help and you get called an idiot a lot "what? your cp 550 and you dont know what animation canceling is? what a moron!")

I really hope you didnt ask this as a joke or i just made myself look like an idiot, its a good thing i dont care

@Orjix I was absolutely serious asking you that. And I also think it was a fine explanation, which I appreciate. I think the one thing that helps me in this game is that when I ask someone for help, I tell them up front that I don't know what the heck I'm doing.

Jeremy wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

Explaining things to people????! Pfff.. Elitist. :P

I believe explaining the basics of a fight - the mechanics as people often refer to it - is fine.

It's when players start trying to micromanage how others play (for example telling them what skills to slot etc.) when problems arise. So I would try to avoid doing that when ever possible.

Yes, that was sarcasm. I often explain things to people if I see they are having a difficult time.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I understand you meant well but... don't give advice to someone who hasn't asked for it.
Even if they truly need it.

(I just gave you an advice that you haven't asked for and... well, there's a good chance you're not happy about it. Which demonstrates its validity.)

If group wipes, at least wipes more than one, you talk tactic.
Light attack brigade and veteran dungeons on the other hand and I would pulled out hard and I'm a scrub myself.
That is learning to play not handling boss mechanism.

Its because you were PUGing it. Daily randoms and qued pledges don't promote an "i'd like to learn this environment". Its a daily and they likley fall into one of several catagories:
1. I'm new, don't know what dungeon this is let alone the fight and i just want my keys cause i need a stupid set of shoulders, then i'm going back to content i enjoy
2. I need this helmet or gear set, and i've run this fight until my eyes have started to bleed
3. I've run this fight befor with a beer in one hand and a pizza slice in the other. What mechanics, burn it

Non of these players want to learn unles the group has repeatedly wiped in the fight. But then its easier to just reque and try again. You only realy need to know mechanics on 4 or 5 dungeons to complete vet daily pledges. The ones you do need to know, people ignore alot of the time unless their in a premade group.

Run with guildies, it usualy eliminates this. If not, you're srewed with the rest of us.

Used to politely explain mechanics, helpful advice (like better to add more HP enchants for low cp DPS so they are alive dps than dead dps = zero dps, then slowly remove for dmg enchants as they get tougher with more CP dmg mitigation), etc.

Per OP question - yes, was called elitist, "*** bag", etc.

If I had used strong language, passive aggressive ridicule, belittling comments, I would agree. But instead of vote kicking the low CP / low knowledge player, I instead informed them what I wish someone else had advised me on when new to the game.

Only to have the low to mid CP players in group announce this was basically being elitist and/or *** bag.

So I've stopped and just go along with the vote kick. I don't initiate it, but I now just go with the flow and it seems the same ppl calling me elitist and *** bag for explaining stuff would rather vote kick the lowbie than even let them try and learn and adapt to become better players.

Utter irony. I am the elitist for trying to help them be more useful, and yet they are ones vote kicking the poor lowbie from easy mode dungeons that need only 1 reasonably prepared player to carry the entire group if needed. Not saying mandatory carrying should be required, but vote kicking a guy out of vICP is one thing, but EH1? Or BC1 or other snooze dungeon?

I think the elitist name callers don't realize the irony of their actions vs what they label others with.

ArchMikem wrote: »

BlackPhillip wrote: »

Just a few days ago I did a normal random dungeoun as a tank. This healer refused to heal anyone because the dps weren't lined up in front of the healer. Even though its one of the easiest normal dungeouns, healer complained about wasting his precious resources to heal.

we kicked him and I just switched to dps and we just 3dps the rest of the dungeoun with ease. The players who take this game way too serious are elitist Imo

So you went on to dps the rest easy with just three after kicking the healer that wasnt healing the dps. And after the kick, no one was healing the dps cause you didnt get a new 4th, but were still fine....

Then what was the point in kicking the Healer in the first place?

Healer refused to heal so we kicked him. Only when we were unable to get a replacement healer I switched and basicaaly soloed the dungeun.

The only time i

Belegnole wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

How many times have you been called an elitist?

I'm CP 559 and have been called an elitist 3 times in the past two weeks. Why? For simply explaining mechanics that people are so blatantly trying to ignore. Mind you I am very polite each time, I don't mind helping new players learn because I was once there. 2 times in a dungeon on my healer, one of which I had to tank and dd because the rest of the group was incapable to either hold taunt or stop light attacking with bows (vet Blessed Crucible and yes it was pug), another pug vet dungeon trying to explain mechanics and a trial from today. No one knew the mechanics in nMoL and were running around accidentally killing one another. Near full wipe but we managed to res.

Am I to expect this now that I am getting closer to CP cap? Which I still have far to go.... I know people are going to suggest trying guilds for raids and dungeons, but most of the time everyone is already busy or just don't do anything.

Thank you for trying to help others. Obviously many of us could use some pointers. I've just come back after leaving at the end of beta and I'm working on getting my head around this game.

Others have pointed out that some people are just going to be offended if you try to help them. While others have noted that some (not necessarily you ) will write things in an "elitist" way without meaning to. I have found that the best way to help is to offer to help, not to just tell them what they did wrong.

I've been gaming a long, long time and the people that do it the best seem to combine being a teacher and just leading. These are people that are willing to carry a player. Allowing the newb to have some fun without stressing. Often I have found these players are guild or raid leaders and have had tons of experience teaching guild mates.

If your willing to take the time, offer to mentor and see what happens.

As to the elitist bit, don't take it to heart. But do self assess if you think that there is a chance that the elitist comment was valid.

oh, just an example:

Why? For simply explaining mechanics that people are so blatantly trying to ignore.

umm, if you were thinking that way when you told them what they were doing wrong.....I bet it came off as elitist.

If they're newbs, they don know the mechanics. most likely even of their own toons.

I try to come off as a teacher, as in my professional life I have taught photography and graphic design classes. If we wipe a time or two, I will ask "does anyone need me to explain the mechanics here?" Then I will explain. Sometimes people listen and sometimes people say they don't care just burn the boss. I actually don't mind pug's because half the time you will get a good group of new players that just want to learn mechanics. Met some great people on this game that way.
I do see how some may take text conversation out of context and think I'm being a jerk. Same goes for any kind of text socialization for that matter. Lol.
I guess I will just not offer advice until it's asked from now on.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

The sad reality is there are just far too many noobs in this game

Without noobs, this game would die. in fact, that goes for most games. We'd be on another forum talking about another game, but a newly released game.

You beat me to it Professor. I was fixing to type the same thing when I read your post. Very true.

Roovin wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

I haven't yet, cause I suck even with 596 cp lol

I'm well past cp cap and have had elitists call me a scrub in a vet dungeon.....

CP is not an indicator of skill

agreed

Draqone wrote: »

I got called an elitist once when I apologised but refused to continue a run through vCoA2 after we spent 10 minutes killing the first boss. I was the tank doing 2k DPS, total group DPS was about 12k.

For those cases I post the Combat Metrix result with group dps into the chat followed by a macroed "you know why". Then I leave without a further word.

Actually I was called far too less an elitist (maybe once or twice). I need to work on that.

Never actually, I just ask the group if they know the boss fights with unique mechanics before engaging. If yes, then we just go for it. If no, I quickly explain the basics.

Draqone wrote: »

I got called an elitist once when I apologised but refused to continue a run through vCoA2 after we spent 10 minutes killing the first boss. I was the tank doing 2k DPS, total group DPS was about 12k.

I've had something similar happen. I queued as a tank for a random vet and was placed into vCoA2. The dps were sitting outside the cave to the first boss, and there wasn't a healer. Didn't hit me until later that the previous tank and healer had dropped from the group.

I got them to queue for another healer and told them if they stayed close I could shield them(HP DK Tank FTW). Almost 15 minutes after we engaged the boss, we finished it. I told them sorry, we either need good DPS or good Heals for the final boss, and we have neither and dropped group. They didn't say anything to me, but I don't think words were needed.

M0bi wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

I post the Combat Metrix result with group dps

What addon do you use?

Combat Metrix alone does that. You have several options to post different dps scores, total score (with AoE), single target and the total groups dps is a value too, that appears there. You don't get the numbers each individual player has contributed, but you get a clue when you watch a group dps score of 20k, you as a tank did 3k and you watch a healer laying a lightning wall or spears in trash groups. Then you know that both DDs are lousy.

The exact numbers of each player and what he has contributed as dps you will only get by GroupDamageShare and all have to install and activate it.