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Always Binary Gender Options in Character Creation?
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ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
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XX Chromosome = Female (Gender Count = 1)
XY Chromosome = Male (Gender Count = 2)
Total Gender types = 2
2 Types = 2 options = Binary.
Except biology is never that simple. I wish it was, my degree would have been a hell of a lot easier to complete.
"Humans, as well as some other organisms, can have a chromosomal arrangement that is contrary to their phenotypic sex; for example, XX males or XY females (see androgen insensitivity syndrome). Additionally, an abnormal number of sex chromosomes (aneuploidy) may be present, such as Turner's syndrome, in which a single X chromosome is present, and Klinefelter's syndrome, in which two X chromosomes and a Y chromosome are present, XYY syndrome and XXYY syndrome. Other less common chromosomal arrangements include: triple X syndrome, 48, XXXX, and 49, XXXXX."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system#Humans
Not to mention not every society has a sex based binary gender system (which a sex based binary gender system can't be taken as truth if sex itself isn't always binary). Depending on the culture, gender can be derived from a number of things including some cultures that determine gender based on birth order. Really gender can be defined as a cultural construct with the original purpose of dividing labor. Yes, sex exists and is observable but sex is not always binary and not all cultures have their gender system based on sex.
Here's a little map of areas that do not follow the strict western binary sex based gender model.
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm1 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭Sorry I don't understand the question
There is females, there is males.
And you want what?
Playing as snails or jellyfish?!PC EU
Betty Breeze - Magwarden
Hunts S'hitblades - Stamplar
Aschavi - Magplar2 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »Can we get somebody from ZOS in here to deal with the transphobia going on in this thread? that'd be nice.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
What? Trollbait thread and you write this?2 -
The_Smilemeister✭✭✭✭✭I find it ironic, and I hate bringing in real life into these forums, most people who push this "non binary" agenda are for the most part against the idea that there's any upper or spiritual power. Even as a conservative I agree with them on that. I would like to promote science over creationism. However, whenever it comes to gender they throw science completely out the window. "Oh how dare you assume my gender!"
This an insult to people who are actually transgender. People who are discontent with the gender they were "assigned". Even non binary genders borrow many aspects from the two binary genders they claim not to be part of. "I'm not a boy or a girl. I'm neither or *insert gender here*." Guess what? You aren't transgender. You can't transition to nothing. That's not possible. You can call yourself an attack helicopter but chromosomes are king.
What you are asking for is unrealistic. It has no place in the real world. It has no place in online fantasy worlds. Stop trying to push your nonsensical agenda down the throats of people and stop creating problems where there are none!5 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There's a lot of people in here who opened a third grade biology text book made in Texas and took that as absolute truth...
Here, do ya'll have Netflix? To make it simple (and to save myself the trouble) you can listen to Bill Nye explain it like he did when ya'll were in 3rd grade. Bill Nye Saves the World has an episode on these things. Here, I'll just post the videos as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ-P97PgxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjKZ5RzT9s "Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm4 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »I'm surprised by some of the hate I've seen on this thread. I mean, have ya'll forgotten about the existence of characters like Vivec? I mean he's intersex, gender fluid, definitely ain't straight, I mean come on?
Here's some reading for ya'll on the long history of LGBTQ representation in TES games.
http://ladynerevar.tumblr.com/post/92855271360/lgbtq-in-the-elder-scrolls
Hate?
Does the word "hate" still mean what the Oxford dictionary says it does? Because if so...people are using it inappropriately to attack others for disagreeing with their social agendas. In my recent experience, I find that people who use the word "hater" or "hate" as a weapon to bludgeon others in a public forum are the ones who really hate.
Edited by apostate9 on June 28, 2017 8:33PM5 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »There's a lot of people in here who opened a third grade biology text book made in Texas and took that as absolute truth...
Here, do ya'll have Netflix? To make it simple (and to save myself the trouble) you can listen to Bill Nye explain it like he did when ya'll were in 3rd grade. Bill Nye Saves the World has an episode on these things. Here, I'll just post the videos as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ-P97PgxAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjKZ5RzT9s
So Attack Helicopter is a gender?!?! YEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!! I have always identified as one and now that just confirms it. I couldn't be happier right now!4 -
Velvelya✭✭✭
The type that recognizes scientifically there are two sexes when things go "Right" -> male and female. Saying that this is how Nature is supposed to operate doesn't mean you hate someone who FEELS they do not align within those boundaries in one way or another.
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✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »
Are you an actual Velidreth or just masquerading as a Velidreth though? since when you were "Born" (i.E Character Creation) you were a different race entirely. ;D
Not me, but some travelers in Tamriel identify themselves as Velidreths. Don't ask me why, I have no idea either.Edited by hmsdragonfly on June 28, 2017 8:38PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
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✭ParaNostram wrote: »I'm surprised by some of the hate I've seen on this thread. I mean, have ya'll forgotten about the existence of characters like Vivec? I mean he's intersex, gender fluid, definitely ain't straight, I mean come on?
Here's some reading for ya'll on the long history of LGBTQ representation in TES games.
http://ladynerevar.tumblr.com/post/92855271360/lgbtq-in-the-elder-scrolls
I'll keep my LGBT, you can keep the Q+
If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].0 -
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✭I could be wrong, but as far as I know there is no race or species on earth(or in fantasy books) that has more than 2 genders(though there are certain frogs that can change genders, and certain plants that can impregnate themselves?). I did once read a science fiction book about an alien race with 3 genders, but it was terrible and just ended up being confusing and it seemed they were all miserable. Not sure what the author was trying to accomplish with the story, but the 3 gender thing failed to accomplish whatever it was, other than to emphasize the fact they were indeed alien. As to why it would matter in this game...I don't see that it would, if that's your thing, then roleplay should be sufficient, along with the character creation screen.2 -
rootimus✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »I'm surprised by some of the hate I've seen on (sic) this thread.ParaNostram wrote: »transphobia going on in this thread?
Hate or fear, which is it? Protip: neither have been displayed in this thread.Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
Greybeards & Gals - Civilised, laid-back, mature gamers. Beards optional. |4 -
Illurian✭✭✭✭✭
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The type that recognizes scientifically there are two sexes when things go "Right" -> male and female. Saying that this is how Nature is supposed to operate doesn't mean you hate someone who FEELS they do not align within those boundaries in one way or another.
I meant it ironically, since your original post didn't fit in either category that you listed.Kiss the chaos.0 -
Velvelya✭✭✭BIll Nye is literally the last person someone should ever use to prove a "point" about "Gender." in his original show he had a skit about how there were only TWO genders.
And then tried to gaslight people about it.2 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »There's a lot of people in here who opened a third grade biology text book made in Texas and took that as absolute truth...
Here, do ya'll have Netflix? To make it simple (and to save myself the trouble) you can listen to Bill Nye explain it like he did when ya'll were in 3rd grade. Bill Nye Saves the World has an episode on these things. Here, I'll just post the videos as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ-P97PgxAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjKZ5RzT9s
So Attack Helicopter is a gender?!?! YEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!! I have always identified as one and now that just confirms it. I couldn't be happier right now!
I mean if that's your genuine identity I'd respect it. However, most usually I find people who claim this identity are only doing so in an unoriginal way to attack somebody else's identity. There's a historical precedent in this which I shall show by being unoriginal myself and posting a comic in response.
"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm3 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »
Velidreth is 100% female. I can assure you
If it exists in lore it would have made it to release. No lore expert either.
How do you know? Have you checked its reproductive system?All ES playable races are either Male or Female--a lot like real life. End of.
Or Velidreth.
You didn't get it did ya..it's okay
I GET IT NOW, YOU MEAN VELIDRETH IS FAT.
Savage.
Edited by hmsdragonfly on June 28, 2017 8:43PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!1 -
Illurian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anyway, @ParaNostram, I think you are a bit fast to cry hate and transphobia. People are voicing their personal opinions on gender (binary or not) and I've not actually read any hate/transphobic messages yet.
I say this as an ally.Kiss the chaos.2 -
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✭ParaNostram wrote: »I'm surprised by some of the hate I've seen on this thread. I mean, have ya'll forgotten about the existence of characters like Vivec? I mean he's intersex, gender fluid, definitely ain't straight, I mean come on?
Here's some reading for ya'll on the long history of LGBTQ representation in TES games.
http://ladynerevar.tumblr.com/post/92855271360/lgbtq-in-the-elder-scrolls
Also there's Velidreth.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This thread is comprised of two types of people.
Person one:"There are two genders: male or Female, anything else is nature being weird and screwing up."
Person two: OMG STOP WITH YOUR HATE.
actually - it seems you may have left out that crucial "person three" type component which is always very well represented in these type threads:
Edited by geonsocal on June 28, 2017 8:44PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place1 -
Illurian✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread is comprised of two types of people.
Person one:"There are two genders: male or Female, anything else is nature being weird and screwing up."
Person two: OMG STOP WITH YOUR HATE.
actually - it seems you may have left out that crucial "person three" type component which is always very well represented in these type threads:
Are you identifying as a person 3? Edited by Illurian on June 28, 2017 8:46PMKiss the chaos.1 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This thread is comprised of two types of people.
Person one:"There are two genders: male or Female, anything else is nature being weird and screwing up."
Person two: OMG STOP WITH YOUR HATE.
actually - it seems you may have left out that crucial "person three" type component which is always very well represented in these type threads:
I like that guy
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Muh bad, this is actually true. I did leave out a third type :C Sorry for not representing you 3rd type of person.
Edited by Velvelya on June 28, 2017 8:46PM1 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This thread is comprised of two types of people.
Person one:"There are two genders: male or Female, anything else is nature being weird and screwing up."
Person two: OMG STOP WITH YOUR HATE.
actually - it seems you may have left out that crucial "person three" type component which is always very well represented in these type threads:
Muh bad, this is actually true. I did leave out a third type :C Sorry for not representing you 3rd type of person.
I'm deeply offended.
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
Show Me Your Dunmer
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✭✭✭✭This thread is comprised of two types of people.
Person one:"There are two genders: male or Female, anything else is nature being weird and screwing up."
Person two: OMG STOP WITH YOUR HATE.
actually - it seems you may have left out that crucial "person three" type component which is always very well represented in these type threads:
I like that guy
OP would tell you to be ashamed for assuming that is a guy. It could be an attack helicopter, you know.3 -
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