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Always Binary Gender Options in Character Creation?

  • ArchMikem
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    zaria wrote: »
    apostate9 wrote: »
    Seriously?
    Poster is confusing Khajiit. that is racism who can get that one banned.

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    What's stopping you from creating a non-binary character in this game?

    There is only two genders to choose from at the character creation.

    I like the idea of be able to choose more genders, but that would take too much coding. I'd rather just have more solo content thank you :)

    What you're choosing in the character creation is the biological sex of your character, not their gender personality. It's simple, what was your character born with, Female bits? Or Male bits? After that, how your character views themselves in their mind is entirely decided on how you view them in your mind. There are no plastic surgeons and hormone treatments in Tamriel.
    Edited by ArchMikem on June 28, 2017 8:10PM
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  • The_Smilemeister
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    This post is getting more attention than it deserves. ZOS better close it before the SJW community of ESO loss their rags.
  • Spacemonkey
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    I think the general response is clear.

    Why are you pushing this in a video game? Its only an issue when you invent one. The same as someone that would get offended when asked to fill out a form that asks how many eyes they have, and that there are only 3 choices, 0* , 1 and 2. When they believe they have the seeing eye or third eye and so would like to choose 3, or that other person that wants to choose 4 because they identify better as four eyes because they wear glasses and embraced what kids used to demean them in school (or w/e other reasons) or 5 for that other person that [...]

    get it?


    *(which is hilarious in the scope of things)
  • hmsdragonfly
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    FlyLionel wrote: »
    geonsocal wrote: »
    male, female or worm???

    male, female, Velidreth.
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    Velidreth is 100% female. I can assure you :D

    If it exists in lore it would have made it to release. No lore expert either.

    How do you know? Have you checked its reproductive system?
    Velvelya wrote: »
    All ES playable races are either Male or Female--a lot like real life. End of.

    Or Velidreth.
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  • Sigtric
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    inb4 apache attack helicopters

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  • Danikat
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    I'm not sure there are many instances where your characters gender is mentioned in the dialogue. One of the common complaints I've seen about ESO is that characters don't react to who you are - NPCs will refer to you as an outsider and explain their customs and traditions even if you're the same race and except for a few rare cases (mostly introduced with Morrowind) being a vampire is completely ignored - including in one quest where you're told you're the best choice for the job because you're not a vampire.

    (Likewise characters in the base game zones will occasionally mention your character's lack of a soul even if they were created after Morrowind and so got the new tutorial and haven't done the old one where you lose your soul.)

    There's been a few times I've thought an NPC was flirting with my character the first time I played it and then realised they talk that way to everyone. Sure it's possible some of them simply are flirting with everyone, but for example Majoll specifically says Jakarn isn't interested in men (but he plans to persuade him otherwise), but he still talks to my male characters as if he's flirting with them.

    And other than that the gender you pick is purely cosmetic - it doesn't affect your stats like in other TES games. So you could easily role-play that your character is a different gender to the one they appear to be, and if anyone uses the 'wrong' pronoun put it down to that NPC making assumptions. I can't remember any mention of non-gender binary individuals in TES lore except Vivec who is a special case (the nearest is Uriel Septim's imaginary friend Justin, who was a girl, mentioned in The Real Barenziah) so I think it's safe to assume that, even more so than in real life, most people will assume if you look like a man then you are a man and if you look like a woman you are a woman and that's the end of it.

    And of course the character creator does make it possible to make feminine men and masculine women, although the range of options varies between the races (an effeminate high elf is going to be a lot easier than an orc).

    Or if you really wanted to go all out you could make your character one gender and then buy an Appearance Change Token - but the end result would be identical to just making them the gender you want to begin with, the only difference is it costs you 1,000 gems.
    Edited by Danikat on June 28, 2017 8:15PM
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  • Sheezabeast
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    To compromise maybe Zos could add a completely random character generator, so you won't know until you assign your preconceived ideas about gender on a random character, who that character is going to be for you and the people around you in game.
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  • Velvelya
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    Velvelya wrote: »
    All ES playable races are either Male or Female--a lot like real life. End of.

    Or Velidreth.

    Are you an actual Velidreth or just masquerading as a Velidreth though? since when you were "Born" (i.E Character Creation) you were a different race entirely. ;D
  • FlyLionel
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    FlyLionel wrote: »
    geonsocal wrote: »
    male, female or worm???

    male, female, Velidreth.
    Velidreth.jpg

    Velidreth is 100% female. I can assure you :D

    If it exists in lore it would have made it to release. No lore expert either.

    How do you know? Have you checked its reproductive system?
    Velvelya wrote: »
    All ES playable races are either Male or Female--a lot like real life. End of.

    Or Velidreth.

    You didn't get it did ya..it's okay ;)
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  • The_Smilemeister
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    All I will say is it's a shame that ESO's hair colours aren't as "colourful" as what you could achieve in Oblivion.
  • Velvelya
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    I don't get it. :'(
  • The_Smilemeister
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    Velvelya wrote: »
    I don't get it. :'(

    Don't worry. Neither does the other 99% of the population.
  • Axoinus
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    XX Chromosome = Female (Gender Count = 1)
    XY Chromosome = Male (Gender Count = 2)

    Total Gender types = 2

    2 Types = 2 options = Binary.





  • Enslaved
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    Newsflash - there are only two genders.
  • Fuz
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    There are only two genders.
    Get a hold of your delusions.
  • ParaNostram
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    I'm surprised by some of the hate I've seen on this thread. I mean, have ya'll forgotten about the existence of characters like Vivec? I mean he's intersex, gender fluid, definitely ain't straight, I mean come on?

    Here's some reading for ya'll on the long history of LGBTQ representation in TES games.

    http://ladynerevar.tumblr.com/post/92855271360/lgbtq-in-the-elder-scrolls
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  • ArchMikem
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    I wonder how long this thread is going to last.
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  • Dark_Aether
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    This request is pointless in terms of look because you can make your females as muscular as possible, your males as colorful as you want and I'm pretty sure none of my characters have anything between their legs, NONE.

    So OP, use your imagination. It's fantasy world after all.
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    To compromise maybe Zos could add a completely random character generator, so you won't know until you assign your preconceived ideas about gender on a random character, who that character is going to be for you and the people around you in game.

    If it wasn't for the fact that your race, gender, class etc. is ignored so much of the time that could be fun - make a random character, play entirely in 1st person and try to work out who your character is based on what other people say and do.

    I've seen people suggest that for a DnD campaign - the DM has your complete character sheet, you start with a blank one and just have to try things to find out what you can do and wait for people to tell you what race etc. you are.
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  • Illurian
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    This honestly shouldn't even be an issue as you can make multiple characters. If you are genderfluid, if it's a boy day, you could log on a male character. If it's a girl day, you could log on a female character. I actually have genderfluid friends on the game and have not heard of any issues with this.

    Also, you can pretty much be genderfluid in ESO. Aesthetics (costumes, some/most hairstyles, personalities, makeup etc) are not gender-locked. Make a flat chested female with androgynous features and you'll be able to swap between the two genders (aesthetically) just like RL genderfluids. Even some of the female voice options have a gruff to them.
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  • ParaNostram
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    Can we get somebody from ZOS in here to deal with the transphobia going on in this thread? that'd be nice.

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  • Danikat
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    Axoinus wrote: »

    XX Chromosome = Female (Gender Count = 1)
    XY Chromosome = Male (Gender Count = 2)

    Total Gender types = 2

    2 Types = 2 options = Binary.

    Except biology is never that simple. I wish it was, my degree would have been a hell of a lot easier to complete.

    "Humans, as well as some other organisms, can have a chromosomal arrangement that is contrary to their phenotypic sex; for example, XX males or XY females (see androgen insensitivity syndrome). Additionally, an abnormal number of sex chromosomes (aneuploidy) may be present, such as Turner's syndrome, in which a single X chromosome is present, and Klinefelter's syndrome, in which two X chromosomes and a Y chromosome are present, XYY syndrome and XXYY syndrome. Other less common chromosomal arrangements include: triple X syndrome, 48, XXXX, and 49, XXXXX."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system#Humans
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    I'm surprised by some of the hate I've seen on this thread. I mean, have ya'll forgotten about the existence of characters like Vivec? I mean he's intersex, gender fluid, definitely ain't straight, I mean come on?

    Here's some reading for ya'll on the long history of LGBTQ representation in TES games.

    http://ladynerevar.tumblr.com/post/92855271360/lgbtq-in-the-elder-scrolls

    Vivec is a very poor example, as before he was a living god, he was just a he.

    Now he can use his divine power to change to suit his needs.

    Daedric princes are neither, but will generally pick one or the other to appear as.


    Mortal races on Nirn have no choice in the matter.

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    if genuinely not a troll post OP...kudos for your bravery...

    had to guess predominant reaction from general population = torches being lit, pitchforks being sharpened...
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  • FLuFFyxMuFFiN
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    There are only 2 genders, but that doesn't mean my characters can't identify as the Attack Helicopters they always dream of being.
  • dusk194
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    This isn't just ZOS, its Biology....

    The only thing in nature with more than two sex's are plats with some species having 3 or 4 chromsones. Humans and most other animal species only have two genders and sets of chromosone from two parents.

    Now you can always say your male Argonian identifies as a female Khajiit. Go for it.
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Mortal races on Nirn have no choice in the matter.

    Unless they purchase an Appearance Change Token
    Edited by Tryxus on June 28, 2017 8:26PM
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  • ArchMikem
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    Can we get somebody from ZOS in here to deal with the transphobia going on in this thread? that'd be nice.

    It's not a Phobia if there is no Fear.
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  • Sigtric
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    Tryxus wrote: »
    Sigtric wrote: »
    Mortal races on Nirn have no choice in the matter.

    Unless they purchase an Appearance Change Token

    I'd say that was a divine power coming down from the daedric prince behind the keyboard

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  • Velvelya
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    This thread is comprised of two types of people.

    Person one:"There are two genders: male or Female, anything else is nature being weird and screwing up."

    Person two: OMG STOP WITH YOUR HATE.
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