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Is ESO an MMO?
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NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentShardan4968 wrote: »I thought it is RTS...
If only we could defeat zerglings by destroying the spawning pool...Fear is the Mindkiller1 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableBombashaman wrote: »I just leave this here:
ESO isn't really an MMO in the traditional sense anyway:
"To answer your question about comparing ESO to other MMOs: ESO is not really a traditional MMO, so we don’t use that term much around the office – and it is this distinction that separates it from other games. If you want to play it solo, like you did with other Elder Scrolls games, you can do that. If you want to play it super-grindy with dungeons, Trials, and group bosses as the core of you experience, you can join up with others and do that too."
And made it even clearer in a recent interview last week:
“We don’t even use the term MMO with The Elder Scrolls Online anymore, because really it’s not,” game director Matt Firor says. “MMO was a term coined in 1997 with Ultima Online, EverQuest, and Dark Age of Camelot – we are not that game.”
I tend to believe what the people who makes the game, say. Maybe naive. A fault of mine, I admit.
My problem with matts design. He did not do a very good job at making it have longevity. Either way you play Eso , it looks like a vast ocean of possibilities but when you dive in you smack your head. And can walk across in every direction.1 -
sarbonn✭✭✭It's a good thing I read the whole thread, because I thought MMO=Mickey Mouse Online, and I was going to say it wasn't that.Clueless, but willing to learn.2 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentMMO
noun
an online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously.
"a well-made fantasy MMO"0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Paulington wrote: »It's massive, it's multiplayer and it's online. I'd say it fits the definition pretty well regardless of what some folks may say.
You could argue that it's very different from standard MMOs in the sense that it's not themepark, but it's still an MMO as far as I am concerned.
I agree it's definitely MMO, but it's super odd to say that it's not a theme park, because PvE is 100% theme park. Cyro/IC are the only sandbox areas in the game.
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qsnoopyjr✭✭✭✭From my understanding of this poll.
If it lacks solo content it is not an MMO
If it lacks group content it is not an MMO
If it has good amount of solo and group content it is an MMO
Content like that isnt what makes an MMO, being in an open world is what makes it an MMO.
Yes ESO is an MMO in PvE sense.
HOWEVER, the PvP aspect of ESO is not an MMO.
Check out EVERQUEST
Check out World of Warcraft
OPEN WORLD PVP
I can goto Mournhold and SLAY EM EP in there hometown, thats what an MMO is all about in regard to PvP.
The storyline of ESO, the WORST I've seen in any MMO in PvE aspect.
Lets pretend DC won
Lets pretend AD won
Lets pretend EP won
You can try and be AD even though your DC
You can try and be EP even though your DC
Any content for PvE that promotes being part of said alliance??? NOPE, makes ZERO sense because storyline in PvE is.. BROKEN
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Now lets just pretend no alliance war really happened in PvE and make it One Tameriel.Edited by qsnoopyjr on June 28, 2017 9:38PM2 -
Vipstaakki✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableESO is not an MMO. It is a MMORPG.2 -
Bombashaman✭✭✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableVipstaakki wrote: »ESO is not an MMO. It is a MMORPG.
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deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentSeriously?Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!0 -
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✭✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentPaulington wrote: »It's massive, it's multiplayer and it's online. I'd say it fits the definition pretty well regardless of what some folks may say.
Says it all.
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Even if you play by yourself, most of the solo content still feels like MMO style encounters and quests. I imagine because it's a multiplayer game engine, it's probably not possible to incorporate the more complex AI behaviors, dynamic encounters and NPC patrol routes etc that make the single player games like Skyrim feel like a living world.
Vvardenfell does feel a bit more like the single player TES games, though. I was pleasantly surprised.0 -
Bombashaman✭✭✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableIcyDeadPeople wrote: »Even if you play by yourself, most of the solo content still feels like MMO style encounters and quests. I imagine because it's a multiplayer game engine, it's probably not possible to incorporate the more complex AI behaviors, dynamic encounters and NPC patrol routes etc that make the single player games like Skyrim feel like a living world.
But that IS like a single player game nowadays, isn't it? Is like a stupid AI single player game most of the time?Edited by Bombashaman on June 28, 2017 11:58PM0 -
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✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentthis is SIMs.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableThe only thing massively multiplayer about ESO is Cyrodiil. PVE content is mostly single player/coop. I think Online RPG is a fitting description.1 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentThe only thing massively multiplayer about ESO is Cyrodiil. PVE content is mostly single player/coop. I think Online RPG is a fitting description.
Then, there is no "real" MMOs in the World?
- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The only thing massively multiplayer about ESO is Cyrodiil. PVE content is mostly single player/coop. I think Online RPG is a fitting description.
Interestingly, for me Cyrodiil also has more of the unpredictable sandbox feeling of the single player TES games compared to the PVE areas.1 -
Sibenice✭✭✭✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentThe only thing massively multiplayer about ESO is Cyrodiil. PVE content is mostly single player/coop. I think Online RPG is a fitting description.
You can do a large portion of WoW single player as well. Does that make it not an MMORPG? In fact, most of the MMOs I just dabbled in I did everything solo. Just because you have an option to not do things with other people does not make the game not an MMO.1 -
Bombashaman✭✭✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableWhy can't we just have a toggle to vanish all the other players? Servers would not get any load, other players would just be invisible to the player who would toggle it on.
I really really can't fathom any reason why this would be a bad thing. They still would be there: stealing your chests, killing your kills etc. You just would never see them. Everyone wins?
Postscript, or PS as they write in this fancy world. Really, think about it. The other toons are still there, they would just be invisible. how could this be a bad thing to 1) those who want to play this like a single player 2) those who like to play this like a multiplayer.
"Why this would be bad thing, it's just a graphical option to turn off"Edited by Bombashaman on June 29, 2017 1:05AM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ppl are trying to make the gameplay like other older massive server based RPG games.
Technically any game with a massive amount of players on a Live server is a MMO
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Bombashaman✭✭✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Ppl are trying to make the gameplay like other older massive server based RPG games.
Technically any game with a massive amount of players on a Live server is a MMO
Happily those days are over. I was there. Too much stress.
We now really can have everything. Some say this is the last MMORPG to have any potential. Why should we have to categorize it? We could have something for everyone. I really hope we could have it.
Edited by Bombashaman on June 29, 2017 1:34AM0 -
Veridiano02✭✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentYes. It is.
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✭✭✭✭✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentI agree with @josiahva at #13 in that ESO is a MMO and not just considered to be one.
I also agree with what @Paulington says at #4 of this thread. Quote - "It's massive, it's multiplayer and it's online"
To that, I will add.
More accurately, ESO was advertised as a MMORPG. The "RP" (Role Playing) part being an integral part of the game as well.
Many players erroneously believe that all content in MMOs should be played in a large group and that Solo content has no place in such games. That is not true. I think ZOS has tried hard to cater for most play-styles and preferances.
^THIS! How many times have I seen the, "This is an MMO, if you want to play solo go play a single-player game" comment made by players here... CLEARLY they don't comprehend the fact that MMOs are no longer about 'group only' content and many have shifted towards adding more solo play to attract a much larger audience instead of just group-content players. It was much easier back in the 'original MMO' days because there were so few offerings and few people even had internet access, but now with consoles and high speed internet so widespread, game developers need to start tapping the market of solo gamers wanting to play online games without being forced into group-only content.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
~~Started Playing: May 2015 | Stopped Playing: July 2025~~4 -
Bombashaman✭✭✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content available^THIS! How many times have I seen the, "This is an MMO, if you want to play solo go play a single-player game" comment made by players here... CLEARLY they don't comprehend the fact that MMOs are no longer about 'group only' content and many have shifted towards adding more solo play to attract a much larger audience instead of just group-content players. It was much easier back in the 'original MMO' days because there were so few offerings and few people even had internet access, but now with consoles and high speed internet so widespread, game developers need to start tapping the market of solo gamers wanting to play online games without being forced into group-only content.
@dusk194
As weird at it seems, with this I am more with the line what @dusk194 said. That this game plays out like a conventional MMORPG. I think we all get that modern MMO(RPG)'s are more and more solo-friendly than before, but this still is an MMO if we categorize it traditionally (yes I chose the other option as one of the makers of the game says it is not an MMO)
My point one was that the one who makes the game says this is not an MMO. The other one was that you can play the main quest in ESO solo. You actually have to. if they just would make the other players invisible, this would be just like Skyrim.
But yes I did give you an awesome
Edited by Bombashaman on June 29, 2017 9:53AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableTo me, a Massively Multiplayer game should allow for the potential of 100+ players interacting together within one instance of a game world. Even if it doesn't happen often. Otherwise, it's just multiplayer.
I chose the value of 100 players because there are multiplayer games that allow for up to approximately 100 players to play within one gaming instance without being considered massively multiplayer. For example, even Battlefield games support up to 64 players and Arma 3 can support more than 100.
Outside of Cyrodiil, I do not think this is possible in ESO as it dynamically segments players seamlessly in busy areas such as Rawl.
Furthermore, the vast majority of content in ESO was designed to be completed solo. Most group content is instanced and allows for a maximum of 4 players without the potential of interacting with other players. In most games, this would be described as coop. Even instanced Trials in ESO have a low maximum of 12 players.
Perhaps the trading meta game could be described as bona fide MMO content.
Whether or not you agree with my definition of MMO, it is fact that very few gameplay elements of ESO are massive in scale. The playerbase is heavily segmented into public and private instances. In practice, ESO gameplay usually involves 12 or fewer players.
Edited by zyk on June 29, 2017 2:13AM2 -
Bombashaman✭✭✭ESO is not an MMO, and focuses on solo play with some group content availableTo me, a Massively Multiplayer game should allow for the potential of 100+ players interacting together within one instance of a game world. Even if it doesn't happen often. Otherwise, it's just multiplayer.
I chose the value of 100 players because there are multiplayer games that allow for up to approximately 100 players to play within one gaming instance without being considered massively multiplayer. For example, even Battlefield games support up to 64 players and Arma 3 can support more than 100.
Outside of Cyrodiil, I do not think this is possible in ESO as it dynamically segments players seamlessly in busy areas such as Rawl.
Joy. I thought Arma3 has the limit of 32 for co-operation. Glad to be wrong. So if ESO is MMORPG, so is ARMA3, as it has story driven quests where many (more than ESO) people interact to achieve it. I always thought it was just a shooter!
So, this means if ESO is and MMORPG, so is ARMA 3, as per the definition which @dusk194 gave us ( https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4276960/#Comment_4276960 ) on that other thread, and why this thread was even created.
Go figure, I must tell my pals they are really playing and MMORPG next time we get together to coop some military shait.
And yes I am being sarcastic and I do realize ARMA3 is not at all like MMORPG we thought it is. I was just making a point. I actually value what @dusk194 says, he speaks with reason. Just this one thing, I disagree (well, if ARMA3 really can hold more people on an instance than ESO. If not, I'm talking rubbish).
Oh and the point was that that definition of MMORPG is wrong. Is ARMA3 really an MMORPG. Really?
I do hope @dusk194 factor this and changes the initial post so we don't get any BIASED polls. Although it was about MMO, not MMORPG. Damn.Edited by Bombashaman on June 29, 2017 3:00AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentMMORPG all the way1 -
Synfaer✭✭✭✭✭In reality it is a MM-BSM (Massive Multi-player Bug Simulation Module)... with a good sound trackEdited by Synfaer on June 29, 2017 4:58AM0
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Zalicius✭✭✭ESO is considered an MMO and has a blend of solo and group contentThe reds have it! *uses gavel*0
