Considering I have met players who say the got powerleveled to 160 in 2 weeks and others CP 50-100 2-3 weeks this will not change much and also watched on twitch. played with cp630 with no clue or dmg/heal/tank whatever.

Could be a good learning curve to alot if they hide the V dungeons as they hid skill lines.

I am able to carry alone on normal with my healers that are also off dd's, also with my dd's that got small self heal.
On V not so much.

I try to be patient try to explain, but some just don't understand or does not care and sometimes my patience already dirt low after 5th group fail of something I see as easy or obvious.
Example the first boss in wayrest 2, so many just can not understand the altars there, even doing both myself(unless I am the unlucky one) and showing.
Or fungal grotto V 2nd boss bandu, one pinned down by 4 chains and either dps too low, attack one target each or none at all. Also b when 2 players beamed me and one other I run away and other guy follow me... What to do and 2nd try after explaination no change.

Or the netch boss in darkshade V none of the dd have any aoe slotted and just refuse or don't understand to.

And there are much harder dungeons than these mechanically/tank/dd wise, I do not really think this will help nor like this. Some pug groups you can teach and get through after many tries. And frankly after those I mostly feel "finally" rather than "awesome".

Though yes I support this.

Edit: forgot the double bow dd, who... Got no dps.

Also completed many V dungeons with no issues with low CP players, but far many more with issues.

Personally I think you should have to have gone through the Normal level at least once before ever being able to go through the Veteran level.
I would even be open to the idea of having to go through the normal level without dying once before you can unlock the veteran level.

I am disagreeing with what you want, because you have been quite rude to people in the past.

Also when i queue for vet make it so RoM CoS WGT & ICP arent in the list. I haye queing into one of those dungeons with like 3 lvl 10 wardens

Flameheart wrote: »

squinceybones wrote: »

I am disagreeing with what you want, because you have been quite rude to people in the past.

His rudenness does not bother me and even as I somewhat disagree with the TO (because I think you can't separate bad players who don't care for game mechanics and aren't fulfilling their role and tasks in a vet instance just by CPs), I already enjoy that the topic is a thread now here in the forum (...again)

As a poster above already mentioned, it's good to stir up things from time to time. Maybe it helps some people to rethink their playstyle before entering the next vet instance and reflect such things like:

• Is it a wise idea to stand on 28m shooting light attacks on a boss with scripted random attacks or on a trash group while not having any AoE DoT skil slotted ?
• Is it ok as a healer to not support with shards or bubbles and ele drain especially after the sustain nerf (if people now ask "what sustain nerf" they should take the route to "normal" asap)? Is the healing ultimate really the best method for effective group healing in PvE?
• Is it ok, to queue up as a tank without a taunt on my bars and with lousy resists and ressource pools, so that I have to pull a boss all over the room and out of any AoE ground dots like a headless chicken ?
  

I can create such questions all days.

Do you really believe people will ask themself such questions only because the Group Finder locks people under cp160 out of vet dungeons? I don't think so. Most normal dungeons are so easy you can faceroll them while doing all of your mentioned behaviours. No need to learn involved. The difficulty jump between normal and vet + the absence of anything but a basic tutorial IN GAME is what makes people bad.
Guys light attacking mobs with a bow probably don't care enough to do a little research. Probably they came from skyrim where LA/HA was all you needed to do on a 2h char. Not everyone is familiar with MMO mechanics. So my advise would be to add a little more tutorials, explain why weaving and a rotation are a great thing, instead of locking people out until they are able to satisfy someones selfish needs *looking at you, gear craving voters*.
The experience, knowledge and player skill doesn't suddenly skyrocket just because you went from cp159 to cp160.

At the very least, zos could "rate" each dungeon's difficulty based off the player's CP, sets (i.e. all gold vs. purple or god forbid blue) akin to some games that use the star rating based on how far the player has progressed. So a FGI would be a lower star requirement than say FGII, and FGII would be lower than say Arx, which would be lower star rating than Selene's Web, with stuff like RoM, WgT, etc. at or near the end star level. Can't tell you how many times I wanted to run RoM for a better helm (best yet is a lowly sturdy) only to get paired with 150-200cp that can't get pass Xal-Nur, either because they don't grasp mechanics, refuse discord, or can't get out of their own way so end up 1-shotted, don't under the green spit and attack while he's invulnerable, release the Wasamu at wrong times, or don't have the dps to burn down the trolls (or realize you need to interrupt them so stop their health regen) which start stacking up because a second runner won't help cleanse.

They implemented housing items that need requirements before being able to purchase them. These vet dungeons need that as well, so peope on their 10th ever dungeon aren't running around trying to kill the Vet Dranos Veladors or Xal-Nurs or Selenes......

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

squinceybones wrote: »

I am disagreeing with what you want, because you have been quite rude to people in the past.

His rudenness does not bother me and even as I somewhat disagree with the TO (because I think you can't separate bad players who don't care for game mechanics and aren't fulfilling their role and tasks in a vet instance just by CPs), I already enjoy that the topic is a thread now here in the forum (...again)

As a poster above already mentioned, it's good to stir up things from time to time. Maybe it helps some people to rethink their playstyle before entering the next vet instance and reflect such things like:

• Is it a wise idea to stand on 28m shooting light attacks on a boss with scripted random attacks or on a trash group while not having any AoE DoT skil slotted ?
• Is it ok as a healer to not support with shards or bubbles and ele drain especially after the sustain nerf (if people now ask "what sustain nerf" they should take the route to "normal" asap)? Is the healing ultimate really the best method for effective group healing in PvE?
• Is it ok, to queue up as a tank without a taunt on my bars and with lousy resists and ressource pools, so that I have to pull a boss all over the room and out of any AoE ground dots like a headless chicken ?
  

I can create such questions all days.

Do you really believe people will ask themself such questions only because the Group Finder locks people under cp160 out of vet dungeons? I don't think so. Most normal dungeons are so easy you can faceroll them while doing all of your mentioned behaviours. No need to learn involved. The difficulty jump between normal and vet + the absence of anything but a basic tutorial IN GAME is what makes people bad.
Guys light attacking mobs with a bow probably don't care enough to do a little research. Probably they came from skyrim where LA/HA was all you needed to do on a 2h char. Not everyone is familiar with MMO mechanics. So my advise would be to add a little more tutorials, explain why weaving and a rotation are a great thing, instead of locking people out until they are able to satisfy someones selfish needs *looking at you, gear craving voters*.
The experience, knowledge and player skill doesn't suddenly skyrocket just because you went from cp159 to cp160.

No, I don't believe it - as mentioned already above -

because I think you can't separate bad players who don't care for game mechanics and aren't fulfilling their role and tasks in a vet instance just by CPs

but my hope is that this thread at least finds a few of the target group who read it and start wondering about playstyle, role and how to improve it in a group environment.

A tutorial wouldn't be a bad idea, but all other MMOs I know and played have the same lacking Q&A support. Zos in special hardly gets rid of long existent bugs, I don't think they have the mood and the time to implement such a thing.

SilverWF wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

A tutorial wouldn't be a bad idea

Majority doesn't read tutorials.

There will be only one simple thing even with 100 tutorials around: do I allowed to check this box near that dungeon name and press 'Queue' or not.
As it is now.

I'm sure everyone who first starts out in this game HAS TO do a tutorial. You can only skip it if you have already completed it. If they implement a bit more than how to heavy attack and block into this, some problems would solve themself. At least for the newcommers.

And you know what would be even more simple? You running vet dungeons with your guild mates instead of demanding to take something from lowlevel players.

Krayzie wrote: »

i love getting paired with 3 wardens who have no idea what they're doing

Perhaps as an experienced player you could help educate them, take the lead and improve their game play, or you can continue to be an elitist jerk and fairly soon have an empty game you have no one to play with.

Been in fast clears, and been in 4 hour clears, point is I always cleared it and the satisfaction is in just that and made some good friends from the groups that struggled the most.

If you want a 600cp group go make a premade and stop crying about random groups in the urrm random queue!

Today I had a CP40 healer in vCoA2 HM. It was his third day of playing ESO.

It wasn't a nice run

Astrid_V wrote: »

Today I had a CP40 healer in vCoA2 HM. It was his third day of playing ESO.

It wasn't a nice run

3 days huh.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I simply do not care about dungeons and hardly do in weeks.

If i found lowbie DPS then i quit and requeue after 15 mins..

... to met another one?

Not sir, let they sit in their lowbie playgrounds (normal).

SilverWF wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I simply do not care about dungeons and hardly do in weeks.

If i found lowbie DPS then i quit and requeue after 15 mins..

... to met another one?

Not sir, let they sit in their lowbie playgrounds (normal).

It seems all you care about is how fast your runs go and if you can take their loot afterwards. Cause I saw you edited the OP to include that lowbies don't have gear you can share with them, you said "At least, I still can share gear with them." in reference to 160+ CP players. Thinking only of yourself, cause you could share your gear with lowbies and they could use it later on but you said you could not share it with them, which means you only thought about what you need.

You want everything to go smooth for you, THEN WHY DO YOU USE THE GROUP FINDER? WHY DO YOU PUG? I sincerely don't get this type of mentality. Are you not in a guild? Is your friends list empty? If you are so demanding of your fellow dungeon runners then why don't you just hand pick them yourself from guilds or friends? Seems like an awful waste for everyone that you do not. The PUG's gets someone that don't want to teach and you don't get your precious speed gear runs.

For anyone that is worried about the quality of the players they run with, DON"T JOIN PICK UP GROUPS! Create your own team and run with them, if you do not then you can't complain. You knew what you were getting in too. Barring people from certain aspects of the game will not help them in learning the mechanics or how to better master their class and role, it will forces them to get slightly higher CP, WHICH DOES NOTHING! I have seen people on the forums say that they Auto kick people that are not at CP cap and that they hated the double exp events cause it ruined the game cause it lowered the time high CP players had to spend to get there, lowering the average skill of a top CP player. CP means NOTHING in regards to how good a player is, and giving them more CP will not automatically make them better players. TEACH AND MOTIVATE, don't abandon and shame. Only if the lowbies outright reject and or get angry when you try to help them is it ok to do anything other than that.

this is just so wrong the game is designed this way so just live with it

I rather see a lock on ICP, RoM, WGT, and SoC, and put it like 360cp+, and increase its difficuly / rewards.