Warden solution HERE!

scipionumatia · June 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

How about no? Cliff Racer is the only skill on Warden that poses even mild threat to enemies. All who QQ about it being non dodgeable, try evasion.

Your gonna have to explain this, how would using evasion help with something that's ublockable

scipionumatia · June 2017

Undodgeable*^

Enslaved · June 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

How about no? Cliff Racer is the only skill on Warden that poses even mild threat to enemies. All who QQ about it being non dodgeable, try evasion.

Your gonna have to explain this, how would using evasion help with something that's ublockable

I sWar a lot lately. Spamming cliff racer a lot. One of addons I use, AUI or LUI shows you active combat info, such as if target was hit and damage it taken, or it blocked attack, or dodged it. Seems evasion works, since I saw ppl using it have "dodged" messages spawning on my screen a lot.

BigBragg · June 2017

Dodge roll doesn't function the same as Minor or Major Evasion. They will produce a dodge on attacks 5%/20% respectively.

scipionumatia · June 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

How about no? Cliff Racer is the only skill on Warden that poses even mild threat to enemies. All who QQ about it being non dodgeable, try evasion.

Your gonna have to explain this, how would using evasion help with something that's ublockable

I sWar a lot lately. Spamming cliff racer a lot. One of addons I use, AUI or LUI shows you active combat info, such as if target was hit and damage it taken, or it blocked attack, or dodged it. Seems evasion works, since I saw ppl using it have "dodged" messages spawning on my screen a lot.

Could this be the add on malfunctioning? As in "this would of been dodged given targets dodge chance"?
I run shuffle on dk and blur on nb and I've yet to dodge a single cliff racer.

TheBonesXXX · June 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

How about no? Cliff Racer is the only skill on Warden that poses even mild threat to enemies. All who QQ about it being non dodgeable, try evasion.

Your gonna have to explain this, how would using evasion help with something that's ublockable

Evasion and Dodge are two separate entities, one is the dodge roll mechanic and the other is passive RNG that ignores your ability to be hit entirely.

Why is this important? Because Wardens have two main DPS abilities, Shalks and Cliff Racer; one is telegraphs and the other is just damage; it has no special ability beyond that.

Wardens also have no execute, only buffs beyond those main damage abilities. You can dodge roll a telegraphed Shalk and the stamina Warden Cliff Racer relies on it being undodgeable because it hits like a wet noodle.

Every other classes TTK is a bit more consistent and stable when it comes to lining burst, a Wardens rely sheerly on the Shalk + Cliff line up in order to do potentially devastating damage.

Half the problem with people getting blown up by Wardens is they have no field awareness, that telegraph can be seen from a mile a way.

Also that bird is pretty slow and obvious, I'd suggest you carry invis pots and those birds are no longer an issue.

idk · June 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

Alright looks like I touched a nerve with some of the more sensitive individuals on the forums. I guess all I can say is "geeze sorry for posting what I thought is a good idea I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut from now on".

These are common complaints I've been seeing since the warden made its debut so I was thinking of a solution.

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Translation: I was killed by Wardens.

And yeah I'm sure at one time I was but that's not where this is coming from, like not even a little bit. I've actually spent the last week playing my
Magwarden and getting to know the class. Thank you for your top tier comment though, I'm sure you find yourself hilarious.

@scipionumatia

No offense but you start of talking about being killed in a 1v4 warden fight and saying their spam skill is to strong in that context.

Then you mark a complaint that in part was the bear ult needs to be double slotted yet suggest it be moved to a normal skill in a manner that would require it to be double slotted.

Plus you suggest taking away the only spam the build has.

Again, no offense, but with those points what was expected?

Enslaved · June 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

How about no? Cliff Racer is the only skill on Warden that poses even mild threat to enemies. All who QQ about it being non dodgeable, try evasion.

Your gonna have to explain this, how would using evasion help with something that's ublockable

I sWar a lot lately. Spamming cliff racer a lot. One of addons I use, AUI or LUI shows you active combat info, such as if target was hit and damage it taken, or it blocked attack, or dodged it. Seems evasion works, since I saw ppl using it have "dodged" messages spawning on my screen a lot.

Could this be the add on malfunctioning? As in "this would of been dodged given targets dodge chance"?
I run shuffle on dk and blur on nb and I've yet to dodge a single cliff racer.

Maybe its malfunction, havent tested it as CR receiving party, but I know I was not killed by it yet. On the other hand, I was killed by various other stuff, like destro ulti, mages wrrath, jesus beam, some proc sets and so on.

SodanTok · June 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

How about no? Cliff Racer is the only skill on Warden that poses even mild threat to enemies. All who QQ about it being non dodgeable, try evasion.

Your gonna have to explain this, how would using evasion help with something that's ublockable

I sWar a lot lately. Spamming cliff racer a lot. One of addons I use, AUI or LUI shows you active combat info, such as if target was hit and damage it taken, or it blocked attack, or dodged it. Seems evasion works, since I saw ppl using it have "dodged" messages spawning on my screen a lot.

Must be wrong text. I use default combat numbers and they say Missed when cliff racer is disjointed (by cloaking). So those addons probably say dodged when someone cloaks it. It is undodgeable by dodge or evasion. No idea about special cases like Blessed armors (that make you miss attacks)

ADarklore · June 2017

Funny how people complain that Cliff Race is undodgeable... apparently people have forgotten how to BLOCK... which is the proper counter to Cliff Racer; they even stated this in ESO Live. Seems players want one defensive skill to counter all attacks, and ZOS threw a wrench into that concept.

scipionumatia · June 2017

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

Ok let's slow down, you may want to re read what I had written. At no point have I said I got killed in a 1vX by wardens spamming this and therefore it needs to be nerfed, I was taking common complaints that have been posted on this forum and comments I've heard from players in game on Xbox NA.

Now onto the next point, double slotting an ulti and double slotting a basic skill is 2 completely different things. Again, if you reread what I had written is the resounding complaint is having to double slot an underwhelming ultimate. If I need to explain this difference further please let me know.

And yes I do reccomend taking away the cliff racer as a spamable. Since I first used this ability on the stam warden I made on release day I've thought that referring to the cliff racer as a "spamable" was extremely generous. It's slow, can't be animation cancelled (please correct me if I'm wrong here, I've tried and can't do it. And yes I know how to animation cancel) it's weak when taking into consideration you can hit with a LA, force pulse, LA, force pulse in roughly the same amount of time it takes to land the cliff racer.
Many wardens myself included have opted for weapon skills over the "class spamable". Similarly, what class spamable does the stam sorc, stam dk, mag sorc possess? Yeah, stam dk has venom claw which is a DOT.
Both stam and mag sorc tend to opt for weapon skills too as spamables so I'm not sure what the gripe is.

Thank you for being respectful I do appreciate it and I hope nothing I posted above you take as me being disrespectful towards you.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

SodanTok wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

As things sit right now, many wardens aren't using bears unless theyre leveling the skill tree. As a class defining skill wardens should have bears, I mean the class symbol is a bear paw for [Freicks] sake! And if you have visited cyrodiil recently you may have noticed the copious amount of magicians pulling what appears to be radio-active pigeons out of thin air and pelting their enemies with them.

Speak for yourself.. not all of us..

As the bear ultimate extremely strong single target DPS ultimate.. and is great in boss PVE fights... As a stam warden bear my main ultimate in pve vet dungeons...

And no they should not remove un-dodge able part of cliff racers... there is this ability all class's have.. its called block try using it.. if being focused by many wardens at range.. los them or run away.

Oh and FYI.. its not supposed to hold AGRO!! its not a tank pet its a DPS pet...

The only changes they need to make is make it only take up one slot.. though I think this should be for all pets not just the warden ultimate.. the attack speed animation should be sped up and the ultimate costing attack should have a charge mechanic or teleport mechanic attached to using it. In single target dps fights like boss fights it puts out a lot of dps over the course of the fight.

Bear ult is useless in trials where you need AOE ults to clear trash mobs/adds. It's also useless in dungeons when you are going for a speed run. It needs some kind of AOE attack, or to only use up one ability slot (so you can also slot an AOE ult). AOE ults are mandatory for endgame.

So use the AoE ults that other use? That is the like the smallest warden related problem given how every or almost every popular ult in this game is from other skill trees than class ones.
Not saying that the bear couldnt use some bug fixing or buffing (it feals more like 1.5 ult not 2 ult in one), but some ult not being viable in trials is really not important

Magicka warden only does around 30k damage without the bear, which is around 10k DPS behind the other classes. That's why you can't use an AOE ult. Even with the bear, you're still 5-7k behind.

idk · June 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

Ok let's slow down, you may want to re read what I had written. At no point have I said I got killed in a 1vX by wardens spamming this and therefore it needs to be nerfed, I was taking common complaints that have been posted on this forum and comments I've heard from players in game on Xbox NA.

Now onto the next point, double slotting an ulti and double slotting a basic skill is 2 completely different things. Again, if you reread what I had written is the resounding complaint is having to double slot an underwhelming ultimate. If I need to explain this difference further please let me know.

And yes I do reccomend taking away the cliff racer as a spamable. Since I first used this ability on the stam warden I made on release day I've thought that referring to the cliff racer as a "spamable" was extremely generous. It's slow, can't be animation cancelled (please correct me if I'm wrong here, I've tried and can't do it. And yes I know how to animation cancel) it's weak when taking into consideration you can hit with a LA, force pulse, LA, force pulse in roughly the same amount of time it takes to land the cliff racer.
Many wardens myself included have opted for weapon skills over the "class spamable". Similarly, what class spamable does the stam sorc, stam dk, mag sorc possess? Yeah, stam dk has venom claw which is a DOT.
Both stam and mag sorc tend to opt for weapon skills too as spamables so I'm not sure what the gripe is.

Thank you for being respectful I do appreciate it and I hope nothing I posted above you take as me being disrespectful towards you.

@scipionumatia

From your first post

"too strong when used by several wardens"

While it may not have been you that was killed by several wardens in a 1v3/4 fight. Most players would die fast when outnumbered like that regardless of any decent skill. That was the point I made in my first post in this thread.