I wouldn't want a system that disincentives me from playing the way I want - with alts - in order to reward players who only play with one character to get the highest number of achievement points possible. Why on earth would ZOS want to discourage people like me playing multiple characters (and spending money on more character slots, cosmetic and convenience items for those new characters, etc.)?

aliyavana wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

I wouldn't want a system that disincentives me from playing the way I want - with alts - in order to reward players who only play with one character to get the highest number of achievement points possible. Why on earth would ZOS want to discourage people like me playing multiple characters (and spending money on more character slots, cosmetic and convenience items for those new characters, etc.)?

Account wide achievements score! problem solved!you don't share acheievements but the score you do

But this is not how it is in the game right now, so problem is not solved.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-

• throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc
• throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes
• look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour
• demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Like this doesn't happen now even without achievement hunters? That's a little one sided of an argument. And one awfully big assumption. On top of that I fail to see how any of this would be a problem to you. If people want their gear or a title and they pay someone to do it, which happens already, how does that affect you? If you earned your titles the right way and someone else doesnt, why should that be any skin off your nose?

I mean you mention looking down their nose but here you do the same thing. If people are willing to carry someone that's on them. If people want to pay for their achievements that's on them. I have never met anyone demanding anything of the sort. But again some title in a video game really doesn't get me all that excited. Maybe you have a rough go around those kinds of people because you start off with an attitude of being better.

an attitude of being better? wow ok LOL

i will tell you haw achievement hunters have ripped the skin off my nose.

when i first started playing at console launch i mainly just wandered around by myself doing random quests & i was getting really bored. so i made a new character & met this guy, he had a guild, he did PvP, he invited me to the guild & i spent 4/5 months having an amazing time.

the guild would work together & help one another. we did normal pledges, pvp, trials(we were v16 the trials were capped to v12) , crafting, sewer runs (once ic had been released) looking back and we were all absolutely awful at every aspect of the game but we had fun.

then people started to want the emp achievment and arguments started. small scale PvP on xbox EU was destroyed by a small group of achievment hunters. that is not an exaggeration. that is a fact for over a year small scale PvP was not possible on xbox EU because the ever growing group of cross aliance achievment hunters dominated all the campaigns.
i and a small team faught against it as much as we could (which is how i ended up earning emp) but it was impossible

so i wasnt able to play small scale PvP, and my internet connection at the time could cope with main campaign. so i couldnt PvP or ICP

so i make a tank and i start to PvE, (long story short) i inherit a trials guild which disbanded the 1st time maw brakes & half my team made statements to the effect of they are only interested in the skin & they dont want to have to work for it.

new team - the tank is throwing tantrums left right and centre about wanting this achievment & that achievment & he is getting on my nerves so i tell him to stop being a *** & quit his guild, turns out every1 else was sick of him too so they all quit his guild with me!

we form a new guild we are trying to get a solid team of 12 togetehr, and we invite people in to do vet runs with us, no dps test, no judgement, genuinley helping people with a view to finding a solid 'main team'. we kit out countless people with VO/IA gold jewelry. why because we were a trials guild who enjoyed running trials, what thatks did we get? none. all we got was abuse, people demanding carries through hard mode, people demanding carries through maw, people demanding we run vMA for them. when we refused we got abuse

so my low opion of achievment hunters does not come about because i think im better than anyone

my low opinion of achievement hunters exists because of the people i have had the misfortune to meet through the game.

I have never claimed to be amazing at this game, i know i am not the worst player on my server let alone the game, i am ADEQUATE!

Meet better people, but as far as the attitude you bring is the problem. You assume everyone hinting achievements is the same. They arent. You assume all cheevo hunters want a carry, they dont. You also assume that those wanting to be carried are achievement hunters, they arent. Most of those wanting to be carried want gear or titles, which in large part has nothing to do with hunting achievements.

Most of the achievements in this game are single player, so considering you have had a bad time with a few people probably wanting a title or a skin, and not the achievements, I don't see your argument as valid.

And yes your attitude comes off as acting superior to people who value different things. If you run across people who are doing those things you mentioned, explain to them that's not how you do things and move on. I personally have never had anyone acting the way you described. If I did I would just move along and not let something so trivial bother me.

Upon reading your response again I don't think most of those people youentitled are achievement hunters at all. There isn't an achievement for getting gold jewelry or gear from trials. And needing thanks to run people through trials in a trials guild, well that says something all by itself. I run trials and dungeons because I enjoy teaching new people the ropes, not for some petty ass thank you. If they acted the way you describe they would get the boot.

Most of the people I have carried through trias and dungeons have been super friendly and we all would exchange gear at the end without anyone having such a pitiful attitude. So again maybe get around better people.

You already get rewarded for achievement points. You have a better chance at master crafting writs.

Grunim wrote: »

If rewards are going to be handed out for total achievement points, I feel strongly that they only be cosmetic rewards. But as others have pointed out, don't most achievements already grant a title, costume, dye or housing item? Stick to the same type of reward and it's OK, granting something like a maelstrom weapon wouldn't be OK.

I am 100% OK with this comment.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-

• throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc
• throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes
• look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour
• demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Like this doesn't happen now even without achievement hunters? That's a little one sided of an argument. And one awfully big assumption. On top of that I fail to see how any of this would be a problem to you. If people want their gear or a title and they pay someone to do it, which happens already, how does that affect you? If you earned your titles the right way and someone else doesnt, why should that be any skin off your nose?

I mean you mention looking down their nose but here you do the same thing. If people are willing to carry someone that's on them. If people want to pay for their achievements that's on them. I have never met anyone demanding anything of the sort. But again some title in a video game really doesn't get me all that excited. Maybe you have a rough go around those kinds of people because you start off with an attitude of being better.

an attitude of being better? wow ok LOL

i will tell you haw achievement hunters have ripped the skin off my nose.

when i first started playing at console launch i mainly just wandered around by myself doing random quests & i was getting really bored. so i made a new character & met this guy, he had a guild, he did PvP, he invited me to the guild & i spent 4/5 months having an amazing time.

the guild would work together & help one another. we did normal pledges, pvp, trials(we were v16 the trials were capped to v12) , crafting, sewer runs (once ic had been released) looking back and we were all absolutely awful at every aspect of the game but we had fun.

then people started to want the emp achievment and arguments started. small scale PvP on xbox EU was destroyed by a small group of achievment hunters. that is not an exaggeration. that is a fact for over a year small scale PvP was not possible on xbox EU because the ever growing group of cross aliance achievment hunters dominated all the campaigns.
i and a small team faught against it as much as we could (which is how i ended up earning emp) but it was impossible

so i wasnt able to play small scale PvP, and my internet connection at the time could cope with main campaign. so i couldnt PvP or ICP

so i make a tank and i start to PvE, (long story short) i inherit a trials guild which disbanded the 1st time maw brakes & half my team made statements to the effect of they are only interested in the skin & they dont want to have to work for it.

new team - the tank is throwing tantrums left right and centre about wanting this achievment & that achievment & he is getting on my nerves so i tell him to stop being a *** & quit his guild, turns out every1 else was sick of him too so they all quit his guild with me!

we form a new guild we are trying to get a solid team of 12 togetehr, and we invite people in to do vet runs with us, no dps test, no judgement, genuinley helping people with a view to finding a solid 'main team'. we kit out countless people with VO/IA gold jewelry. why because we were a trials guild who enjoyed running trials, what thatks did we get? none. all we got was abuse, people demanding carries through hard mode, people demanding carries through maw, people demanding we run vMA for them. when we refused we got abuse

so my low opion of achievment hunters does not come about because i think im better than anyone

my low opinion of achievement hunters exists because of the people i have had the misfortune to meet through the game.

I have never claimed to be amazing at this game, i know i am not the worst player on my server let alone the game, i am ADEQUATE!

Meet better people, but as far as the attitude you bring is the problem. You assume everyone hinting achievements is the same. They arent. You assume all cheevo hunters want a carry, they dont. You also assume that those wanting to be carried are achievement hunters, they arent. Most of those wanting to be carried want gear or titles, which in large part has nothing to do with hunting achievements.

Most of the achievements in this game are single player, so considering you have had a bad time with a few people probably wanting a title or a skin, and not the achievements, I don't see your argument as valid.

And yes your attitude comes off as acting superior to people who value different things. If you run across people who are doing those things you mentioned, explain to them that's not how you do things and move on. I personally have never had anyone acting the way you described. If I did I would just move along and not let something so trivial bother me.

Upon reading your response again I don't think most of those people youentitled are achievement hunters at all. There isn't an achievement for getting gold jewelry or gear from trials. And needing thanks to run people through trials in a trials guild, well that says something all by itself. I run trials and dungeons because I enjoy teaching new people the ropes, not for some petty ass thank you. If they acted the way you describe they would get the boot.

Most of the people I have carried through trias and dungeons have been super friendly and we all would exchange gear at the end without anyone having such a pitiful attitude. So again maybe get around better people.

i find it amusing that you refuse to read what i am actually saying because your too busy throwing a tantrum and getting deffensive - confirming my already low opinion of achievment hunters

i have not gone in to great detail in the posts because writing a post that detailed is BORING for me & BORING for others to read - but i can assure you the people i have encountered are achivment hunters

i have played the game since console launched - i have had 5 bad experiences in that time - every time was with an achievment hunter.

but despite the fact that i have repetedly stated that these people have skewed my opinion of achievment hunters
despite the fact that i have repetedly stated that his is MY experience of achievment hunters
and despite the fact that i have stated that my problem is that they do not require additional incentives because the existing incentives are leading to cheating & exploiting - you are continuing to accuse me of being an elitist

i do not need to learn to make new friends & move on

but i feel you need to learn to read posts before you reply to them.

No i read your post completely, and the fact still remains that you are talking about people wanting skins, titles or gear. While those do have achievement attached to them they are not the reason the people you yourself described, are not looking for achievements.

I also find it laughable that 5 people has skewed your opinion. 5 really? Wow just wow. I've also played since console launch and haven't had anything close to the experience as you from "achievement hunters". I have had experiences from people wanting skins or titles.

My reading comprehension is just fine, I am simply stating an argument against your own writings. So the argument still stands as far a s achievement hunters.

Nope you don't have to make new friends and move on, never said you had to. What I stated was meeting better people. But if you would rather have the opinion that everyone that chases achievements is a horrid person, then by all means. You can wallow in your pity all you want or you can change your situation, I choose the latter where you seem to choose the former.

Amazing how you see this as defensive, it's simply a different opinion. Anyway take it for what it is. Several million people play this game and you judge them because of 5 people. Seems a little narrow to me.

several million people play the game yes - not all of them are whining achievment hunters demanding crap

i said 5 bad experiences all of which were because of achievement hunters - not 5 bad people who happened to be achievment hunters upset me. still think your reading comprehension is good?

5 bad experiences? Wow what a rough time in eso. So how many people was it? 10, 20 a 100? Again you assume all achievement hunters are the same. So which achievements were they so dead set on? What achievment gives you gold VO/IA jewelry, or set pieces? Which ones that wanted the SKIN for Maw were after the achievement? Most of them couldn't even name the achievement associated with the stuff you stated.

Like I said before, you can have your opinions about what you think these people are. But not for one second should you lump everyone into the same boat. You can of course, but that's your perogative. But if your going to argue about them wanting achievements you should atest be able to tell the difference between those looking for gear and those wanting achievements vs those wanting a title or a skin. I say this because not once in your previous statements did you mention and achievement, always gear, a title or a skin. Not one person I know of runs trials multiple times to the end for an achievement. For gear yes for a title or achievement, well why run it more that once if that was the case, and if they were looking for achievment why we're they whining about gear?

Again you can habor what ever you like and be unhappy, or you could change your situation. Also if you enjoyed running trials with people why would you need a thank you at all, and why would people get to you by being an ass for gear? I mean you did it because you enjoyed it right? So if you enjoy it why left 5 bad experiences have such a negative effect? I mean if you were dating someone and had 5 bad experiences with them what would you do? Complain about the entire population because they must all be the same right? Let me rephrase that to if you dated someone with blond hair, and had bad experiences, then by your thinking all blondes must be the same yes?

Since you decided to add to it, while there are achivment for all gold gear why run through a trial, gold out your own gear and check the golden vendor, way easier the trials. As for speed runs and such well that is the type of thing that people who play together enough do together, so I doubt one person in a group of 12 would be making those kinds of demands.

The subject of cheating or boosting, why or how is that affecting you? It's a friggin title in a video game, who cares? Someone cheating to get a skin or title isn't going to stop me from living my life, the world isn't going to end. What are you going to hang that title over the mantle? I think you are taking this way to serious. It's a game and in the bigger picture it doesn't mean anything.it's not going to help you in real life, it's just an escape from real life for a bit. If you need to have those things to feel better about yourself, or for some bragging rights, well I have no words.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-

• throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc
• throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes
• look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour
• demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Like this doesn't happen now even without achievement hunters? That's a little one sided of an argument. And one awfully big assumption. On top of that I fail to see how any of this would be a problem to you. If people want their gear or a title and they pay someone to do it, which happens already, how does that affect you? If you earned your titles the right way and someone else doesnt, why should that be any skin off your nose?

I mean you mention looking down their nose but here you do the same thing. If people are willing to carry someone that's on them. If people want to pay for their achievements that's on them. I have never met anyone demanding anything of the sort. But again some title in a video game really doesn't get me all that excited. Maybe you have a rough go around those kinds of people because you start off with an attitude of being better.

an attitude of being better? wow ok LOL

i will tell you haw achievement hunters have ripped the skin off my nose.

when i first started playing at console launch i mainly just wandered around by myself doing random quests & i was getting really bored. so i made a new character & met this guy, he had a guild, he did PvP, he invited me to the guild & i spent 4/5 months having an amazing time.

the guild would work together & help one another. we did normal pledges, pvp, trials(we were v16 the trials were capped to v12) , crafting, sewer runs (once ic had been released) looking back and we were all absolutely awful at every aspect of the game but we had fun.

then people started to want the emp achievment and arguments started. small scale PvP on xbox EU was destroyed by a small group of achievment hunters. that is not an exaggeration. that is a fact for over a year small scale PvP was not possible on xbox EU because the ever growing group of cross aliance achievment hunters dominated all the campaigns.
i and a small team faught against it as much as we could (which is how i ended up earning emp) but it was impossible

so i wasnt able to play small scale PvP, and my internet connection at the time could cope with main campaign. so i couldnt PvP or ICP

so i make a tank and i start to PvE, (long story short) i inherit a trials guild which disbanded the 1st time maw brakes & half my team made statements to the effect of they are only interested in the skin & they dont want to have to work for it.

new team - the tank is throwing tantrums left right and centre about wanting this achievment & that achievment & he is getting on my nerves so i tell him to stop being a *** & quit his guild, turns out every1 else was sick of him too so they all quit his guild with me!

we form a new guild we are trying to get a solid team of 12 togetehr, and we invite people in to do vet runs with us, no dps test, no judgement, genuinley helping people with a view to finding a solid 'main team'. we kit out countless people with VO/IA gold jewelry. why because we were a trials guild who enjoyed running trials, what thatks did we get? none. all we got was abuse, people demanding carries through hard mode, people demanding carries through maw, people demanding we run vMA for them. when we refused we got abuse

so my low opion of achievment hunters does not come about because i think im better than anyone

my low opinion of achievement hunters exists because of the people i have had the misfortune to meet through the game.

I have never claimed to be amazing at this game, i know i am not the worst player on my server let alone the game, i am ADEQUATE!

Meet better people, but as far as the attitude you bring is the problem. You assume everyone hinting achievements is the same. They arent. You assume all cheevo hunters want a carry, they dont. You also assume that those wanting to be carried are achievement hunters, they arent. Most of those wanting to be carried want gear or titles, which in large part has nothing to do with hunting achievements.

Most of the achievements in this game are single player, so considering you have had a bad time with a few people probably wanting a title or a skin, and not the achievements, I don't see your argument as valid.

And yes your attitude comes off as acting superior to people who value different things. If you run across people who are doing those things you mentioned, explain to them that's not how you do things and move on. I personally have never had anyone acting the way you described. If I did I would just move along and not let something so trivial bother me.

Upon reading your response again I don't think most of those people youentitled are achievement hunters at all. There isn't an achievement for getting gold jewelry or gear from trials. And needing thanks to run people through trials in a trials guild, well that says something all by itself. I run trials and dungeons because I enjoy teaching new people the ropes, not for some petty ass thank you. If they acted the way you describe they would get the boot.

Most of the people I have carried through trias and dungeons have been super friendly and we all would exchange gear at the end without anyone having such a pitiful attitude. So again maybe get around better people.

i find it amusing that you refuse to read what i am actually saying because your too busy throwing a tantrum and getting deffensive - confirming my already low opinion of achievment hunters

i have not gone in to great detail in the posts because writing a post that detailed is BORING for me & BORING for others to read - but i can assure you the people i have encountered are achivment hunters

i have played the game since console launched - i have had 5 bad experiences in that time - every time was with an achievment hunter.

but despite the fact that i have repetedly stated that these people have skewed my opinion of achievment hunters
despite the fact that i have repetedly stated that his is MY experience of achievment hunters
and despite the fact that i have stated that my problem is that they do not require additional incentives because the existing incentives are leading to cheating & exploiting - you are continuing to accuse me of being an elitist

i do not need to learn to make new friends & move on

but i feel you need to learn to read posts before you reply to them.

No i read your post completely, and the fact still remains that you are talking about people wanting skins, titles or gear. While those do have achievement attached to them they are not the reason the people you yourself described, are not looking for achievements.

I also find it laughable that 5 people has skewed your opinion. 5 really? Wow just wow. I've also played since console launch and haven't had anything close to the experience as you from "achievement hunters". I have had experiences from people wanting skins or titles.

My reading comprehension is just fine, I am simply stating an argument against your own writings. So the argument still stands as far a s achievement hunters.

Nope you don't have to make new friends and move on, never said you had to. What I stated was meeting better people. But if you would rather have the opinion that everyone that chases achievements is a horrid person, then by all means. You can wallow in your pity all you want or you can change your situation, I choose the latter where you seem to choose the former.

Amazing how you see this as defensive, it's simply a different opinion. Anyway take it for what it is. Several million people play this game and you judge them because of 5 people. Seems a little narrow to me.

several million people play the game yes - not all of them are whining achievment hunters demanding crap

i said 5 bad experiences all of which were because of achievement hunters - not 5 bad people who happened to be achievment hunters upset me. still think your reading comprehension is good?

5 bad experiences? Wow what a rough time in eso. So how many people was it? 10, 20 a 100? Again you assume all achievement hunters are the same. So which achievements were they so dead set on? What achievment gives you gold VO/IA jewelry, or set pieces? Which ones that wanted the SKIN for Maw were after the achievement? Most of them couldn't even name the achievement associated with the stuff you stated.

Like I said before, you can have your opinions about what you think these people are. But not for one second should you lump everyone into the same boat. You can of course, but that's your perogative. But if your going to argue about them wanting achievements you should atest be able to tell the difference between those looking for gear and those wanting achievements vs those wanting a title or a skin. I say this because not once in your previous statements did you mention and achievement, always gear, a title or a skin. Not one person I know of runs trials multiple times to the end for an achievement. For gear yes for a title or achievement, well why run it more that once if that was the case, and if they were looking for achievment why we're they whining about gear?

Again you can habor what ever you like and be unhappy, or you could change your situation. Also if you enjoyed running trials with people why would you need a thank you at all, and why would people get to you by being an ass for gear? I mean you did it because you enjoyed it right? So if you enjoy it why left 5 bad experiences have such a negative effect? I mean if you were dating someone and had 5 bad experiences with them what would you do? Complain about the entire population because they must all be the same right? Let me rephrase that to if you dated someone with blond hair, and had bad experiences, then by your thinking all blondes must be the same yes?

Since you decided to add to it, while there are achivment for all gold gear why run through a trial, gold out your own gear and check the golden vendor, way easier the trials. As for speed runs and such well that is the type of thing that people who play together enough do together, so I doubt one person in a group of 12 would be making those kinds of demands.

The subject of cheating or boosting, why or how is that affecting you? It's a friggin title in a video game, who cares? Someone cheating to get a skin or title isn't going to stop me from living my life, the world isn't going to end. What are you going to hang that title over the mantle? I think you are taking this way to serious. It's a game and in the bigger picture it doesn't mean anything.it's not going to help you in real life, it's just an escape from real life for a bit. If you need to have those things to feel better about yourself, or for some bragging rights, well I have no words.

so you didnt bother to read my comment that i replied earier to you where i said that achievment hunters killed small scale PvP on an entire server because of achievmment hunting, or did you just forget about that when you decided to write your latest wall of text.

Again maybe different on EU side but I have seen plenty of small scale PVP with people playing normal and those boosting for emperor. If they destroyed it why are you still playing? Again where they boosting achievements or a title? Did you ask? Currently there isn't an incentive for achievements, only for titles and such, I think you may be mistaken on which is which? But since this isn't getting anywhere, I will just let it go, best of luck to you.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-

• throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc
• throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes
• look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour
• demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Like this doesn't happen now even without achievement hunters? That's a little one sided of an argument. And one awfully big assumption. On top of that I fail to see how any of this would be a problem to you. If people want their gear or a title and they pay someone to do it, which happens already, how does that affect you? If you earned your titles the right way and someone else doesnt, why should that be any skin off your nose?

I mean you mention looking down their nose but here you do the same thing. If people are willing to carry someone that's on them. If people want to pay for their achievements that's on them. I have never met anyone demanding anything of the sort. But again some title in a video game really doesn't get me all that excited. Maybe you have a rough go around those kinds of people because you start off with an attitude of being better.

an attitude of being better? wow ok LOL

i will tell you haw achievement hunters have ripped the skin off my nose.

when i first started playing at console launch i mainly just wandered around by myself doing random quests & i was getting really bored. so i made a new character & met this guy, he had a guild, he did PvP, he invited me to the guild & i spent 4/5 months having an amazing time.

the guild would work together & help one another. we did normal pledges, pvp, trials(we were v16 the trials were capped to v12) , crafting, sewer runs (once ic had been released) looking back and we were all absolutely awful at every aspect of the game but we had fun.

then people started to want the emp achievment and arguments started. small scale PvP on xbox EU was destroyed by a small group of achievment hunters. that is not an exaggeration. that is a fact for over a year small scale PvP was not possible on xbox EU because the ever growing group of cross aliance achievment hunters dominated all the campaigns.
i and a small team faught against it as much as we could (which is how i ended up earning emp) but it was impossible

so i wasnt able to play small scale PvP, and my internet connection at the time could cope with main campaign. so i couldnt PvP or ICP

so i make a tank and i start to PvE, (long story short) i inherit a trials guild which disbanded the 1st time maw brakes & half my team made statements to the effect of they are only interested in the skin & they dont want to have to work for it.

new team - the tank is throwing tantrums left right and centre about wanting this achievment & that achievment & he is getting on my nerves so i tell him to stop being a *** & quit his guild, turns out every1 else was sick of him too so they all quit his guild with me!

we form a new guild we are trying to get a solid team of 12 togetehr, and we invite people in to do vet runs with us, no dps test, no judgement, genuinley helping people with a view to finding a solid 'main team'. we kit out countless people with VO/IA gold jewelry. why because we were a trials guild who enjoyed running trials, what thatks did we get? none. all we got was abuse, people demanding carries through hard mode, people demanding carries through maw, people demanding we run vMA for them. when we refused we got abuse

so my low opion of achievment hunters does not come about because i think im better than anyone

my low opinion of achievement hunters exists because of the people i have had the misfortune to meet through the game.

I have never claimed to be amazing at this game, i know i am not the worst player on my server let alone the game, i am ADEQUATE!

Meet better people, but as far as the attitude you bring is the problem. You assume everyone hinting achievements is the same. They arent. You assume all cheevo hunters want a carry, they dont. You also assume that those wanting to be carried are achievement hunters, they arent. Most of those wanting to be carried want gear or titles, which in large part has nothing to do with hunting achievements.

Most of the achievements in this game are single player, so considering you have had a bad time with a few people probably wanting a title or a skin, and not the achievements, I don't see your argument as valid.

And yes your attitude comes off as acting superior to people who value different things. If you run across people who are doing those things you mentioned, explain to them that's not how you do things and move on. I personally have never had anyone acting the way you described. If I did I would just move along and not let something so trivial bother me.

Upon reading your response again I don't think most of those people youentitled are achievement hunters at all. There isn't an achievement for getting gold jewelry or gear from trials. And needing thanks to run people through trials in a trials guild, well that says something all by itself. I run trials and dungeons because I enjoy teaching new people the ropes, not for some petty ass thank you. If they acted the way you describe they would get the boot.

Most of the people I have carried through trias and dungeons have been super friendly and we all would exchange gear at the end without anyone having such a pitiful attitude. So again maybe get around better people.

i find it amusing that you refuse to read what i am actually saying because your too busy throwing a tantrum and getting deffensive - confirming my already low opinion of achievment hunters

i have not gone in to great detail in the posts because writing a post that detailed is BORING for me & BORING for others to read - but i can assure you the people i have encountered are achivment hunters

i have played the game since console launched - i have had 5 bad experiences in that time - every time was with an achievment hunter.

but despite the fact that i have repetedly stated that these people have skewed my opinion of achievment hunters
despite the fact that i have repetedly stated that his is MY experience of achievment hunters
and despite the fact that i have stated that my problem is that they do not require additional incentives because the existing incentives are leading to cheating & exploiting - you are continuing to accuse me of being an elitist

i do not need to learn to make new friends & move on

but i feel you need to learn to read posts before you reply to them.

No i read your post completely, and the fact still remains that you are talking about people wanting skins, titles or gear. While those do have achievement attached to them they are not the reason the people you yourself described, are not looking for achievements.

I also find it laughable that 5 people has skewed your opinion. 5 really? Wow just wow. I've also played since console launch and haven't had anything close to the experience as you from "achievement hunters". I have had experiences from people wanting skins or titles.

My reading comprehension is just fine, I am simply stating an argument against your own writings. So the argument still stands as far a s achievement hunters.

Nope you don't have to make new friends and move on, never said you had to. What I stated was meeting better people. But if you would rather have the opinion that everyone that chases achievements is a horrid person, then by all means. You can wallow in your pity all you want or you can change your situation, I choose the latter where you seem to choose the former.

Amazing how you see this as defensive, it's simply a different opinion. Anyway take it for what it is. Several million people play this game and you judge them because of 5 people. Seems a little narrow to me.

several million people play the game yes - not all of them are whining achievment hunters demanding crap

i said 5 bad experiences all of which were because of achievement hunters - not 5 bad people who happened to be achievment hunters upset me. still think your reading comprehension is good?

5 bad experiences? Wow what a rough time in eso. So how many people was it? 10, 20 a 100? Again you assume all achievement hunters are the same. So which achievements were they so dead set on? What achievment gives you gold VO/IA jewelry, or set pieces? Which ones that wanted the SKIN for Maw were after the achievement? Most of them couldn't even name the achievement associated with the stuff you stated.

Like I said before, you can have your opinions about what you think these people are. But not for one second should you lump everyone into the same boat. You can of course, but that's your perogative. But if your going to argue about them wanting achievements you should atest be able to tell the difference between those looking for gear and those wanting achievements vs those wanting a title or a skin. I say this because not once in your previous statements did you mention and achievement, always gear, a title or a skin. Not one person I know of runs trials multiple times to the end for an achievement. For gear yes for a title or achievement, well why run it more that once if that was the case, and if they were looking for achievment why we're they whining about gear?

Again you can habor what ever you like and be unhappy, or you could change your situation. Also if you enjoyed running trials with people why would you need a thank you at all, and why would people get to you by being an ass for gear? I mean you did it because you enjoyed it right? So if you enjoy it why left 5 bad experiences have such a negative effect? I mean if you were dating someone and had 5 bad experiences with them what would you do? Complain about the entire population because they must all be the same right? Let me rephrase that to if you dated someone with blond hair, and had bad experiences, then by your thinking all blondes must be the same yes?

Since you decided to add to it, while there are achivment for all gold gear why run through a trial, gold out your own gear and check the golden vendor, way easier the trials. As for speed runs and such well that is the type of thing that people who play together enough do together, so I doubt one person in a group of 12 would be making those kinds of demands.

The subject of cheating or boosting, why or how is that affecting you? It's a friggin title in a video game, who cares? Someone cheating to get a skin or title isn't going to stop me from living my life, the world isn't going to end. What are you going to hang that title over the mantle? I think you are taking this way to serious. It's a game and in the bigger picture it doesn't mean anything.it's not going to help you in real life, it's just an escape from real life for a bit. If you need to have those things to feel better about yourself, or for some bragging rights, well I have no words.

so you didnt bother to read my comment that i replied earier to you where i said that achievment hunters killed small scale PvP on an entire server because of achievmment hunting, or did you just forget about that when you decided to write your latest wall of text.

Again maybe different on EU side but I have seen plenty of small scale PVP with people playing normal and those boosting for emperor. If they destroyed it why are you still playing? Again where they boosting achievements or a title? Did you ask? Currently there isn't an incentive for achievements, only for titles and such, I think you may be mistaken on which is which? But since this isn't getting anywhere, I will just let it go, best of luck to you.

please take your own advice and stop nagging

That's not advice, it's a name. Reading comprehension passive, put some points in there.

Edit
Congrats in being original! 1 awsome for you.

How about make all house decoration unlocked ny achievements is free? I wont pay 100-200r gold for a banner I already unlocked by achievement. Do you really not fed anough by crown store?

Cadbury wrote: »

Sooo.....IBTL?

Seems this is turning into a bit of back-and-forth.

Nah, nothing too serious here.

Gorgoneus wrote: »

How about make all house decoration unlocked ny achievements is free? I wont pay 100-200r gold for a banner I already unlocked by achievement. Do you really not fed anough by crown store?

They are kind of doing this with Vvardenfell, the island thing you get from finding the lost library. Only problem is not everyone is into housing. So something cosmetic or a title would be fine. Though I would like to see rewards from quest that I can put into housing, that I wouldn't have to buy.

aliyavana wrote: »

Lol

IKR?

Astrid_V wrote: »

Maybe something like:

- 5000 achievement points - title
- 10 000 achievement points - costume
- 15 000 achievement points - polymorph
- 20 000 achievement points - mount


It would motivate players to keep playing the game if they can get nice rewards.

I like those suggestions but I would remove 5000 points one. Title should be reserved for 25k points.

And this is not biased, I have 15k + on one char and 10k+ on 2 others - different kind of achievement too (1 has dungeons and trials, the other justice and dlc's, another crafting ones).
Too bad I have a Master Angler on a non-kill toon that will probably never get above 5k achieve points and I don't think I will ever do it again lol (was kind of hard to get the achieve without being able to kill crocs or hoavers and 95% of the time alone)

But I guess for now we have housing to put all the achievement furnishing - although that doesn't reflect the fact you did it all on one character.

Maybe someday, one can hope

Lol

aliyavana wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-

• throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc
• throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes
• look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour
• demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.
• throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Way to stereotype! Congrats! You're almost racist!

Completionists are a misunderstood race

Some of my best friends are completionists