Can we have an achievement milestone system that rewards players for completionism?

Bombashaman · June 2017

Rewards for playing the game?

I...what...

Sure. But only cosmetics.

Buffler · June 2017

No

Aliyavana · June 2017

Buffler wrote: »

No

You no

Aliyavana · June 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

Maybe something like:

- 5000 achievement points - title
- 10 000 achievement points - costume
- 15 000 achievement points - polymorph
- 20 000 achievement points - mount

It would motivate players to keep playing the game if they can get nice rewards.

I'd prefer

Polymorph
Costume
Mount
Title in that order

Stopnaggin · June 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-
throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc

throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes

look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour

demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Like this doesn't happen now even without achievement hunters? That's a little one sided of an argument. And one awfully big assumption. On top of that I fail to see how any of this would be a problem to you. If people want their gear or a title and they pay someone to do it, which happens already, how does that affect you? If you earned your titles the right way and someone else doesnt, why should that be any skin off your nose?

I mean you mention looking down their nose but here you do the same thing. If people are willing to carry someone that's on them. If people want to pay for their achievements that's on them. I have never met anyone demanding anything of the sort. But again some title in a video game really doesn't get me all that excited. Maybe you have a rough go around those kinds of people because you start off with an attitude of being better.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2017

As an altoholic, I hate the way achievement points are done. Other than Master Angler and High level AP achivements, I have most of the game completed pre-morrowind. I just prefer to spread it around on different toons. My Trial runner is not the same as my crafter who is not the same as my hero of tamriel, etc. I specifically did Theives guild and Dark Brotherhood on an "alt" because my Hero of Tamriel is not a thief or murderer.

This game is very frustrating when it comes to achievements. There should be an account wide option like just about every other game on the planet. Nothing would stop them from an account wide section, while leaving character achievements alone at the individual level.

Introduce an account wide section, and I am on board with rewards for total points.

Buffler · June 2017

No

Acrolas · June 2017

Achievements are like bowel movements. If you need a reward for completing it, you probably didn't really need to do it in the first place.

LadyNalcarya · June 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

As an altoholic, I hate the way achievement points are done. Other than Master Angler and High level AP achivements, I have most of the game completed pre-morrowind. I just prefer to spread it around on different toons. My Trial runner is not the same as my crafter who is not the same as my hero of tamriel, etc. I specifically did Theives guild and Dark Brotherhood on an "alt" because my Hero of Tamriel is not a thief or murderer.

This game is very frustrating when it comes to achievements. There should be an account wide option like just about every other game on the planet. Nothing would stop them from an account wide section, while leaving character achievements alone at the individual level.

Introduce an account wide section, and I am on board with rewards for total points.

I agree. I'm an altoholic, too and I dont even have Tamriel Hero achivement.

Not to mention trophy collections and other stuff.

rhapsodious · June 2017

I'd like there to be some kind of reward other than bragging rights for no-lifing on a single character, but I guess worst case scenario I have screenshots to humblebrag. 25k+ here, pretty much missing the harder Maw achievements, HOF/battlegrounds, vMA flawless, PVP ranks and some SOTH/IC stuff. Still get a warm fuzzy feeling when that ding pops across my screen.

Title would be nicest for me, since those are character-exclusive.

Aliyavana · June 2017

Buffler wrote: »

No

Yes

notimetocare · June 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Having 20k plus achievement points means that you have dipped into all the content zos has to offer. You can't really prove you have it and there is no real incentive to get achievements that have no reward tied to them but as a completionist I'll still get them anyway. It would be nice if zos added rewards that rewarded players that complete as much content that zos developers have worked hard on, whether pvp, pve, questing you must experience them all to get a high achievement point so reward those who experiance the game to the fullest with exclusive rewards. Mounts, skins, titles etc are ideas.

Most major achievements already have a reward.

kargen27 · June 2017

Diffused wrote: »

I just want achievements account bound so I don't have to toon hop to buy different stuff.

I'm just the opposite. I am giving each character I play their own house and they only get achievement furniture they have earned themselves.

As far as rewards for achievement points go maybe a title but nothing more.

Loralai_907 · June 2017

I haven't gone hard core into achievement hunting yet myself. I go through bursts though where I knock a few more out, obsessively. But I only do this with one character. The rest get whatever and for the most part I don't care what they get or don't get point wise.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2017

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

As an altoholic, I hate the way achievement points are done. Other than Master Angler and High level AP achivements, I have most of the game completed pre-morrowind. I just prefer to spread it around on different toons. My Trial runner is not the same as my crafter who is not the same as my hero of tamriel, etc. I specifically did Theives guild and Dark Brotherhood on an "alt" because my Hero of Tamriel is not a thief or murderer.

This game is very frustrating when it comes to achievements. There should be an account wide option like just about every other game on the planet. Nothing would stop them from an account wide section, while leaving character achievements alone at the individual level.

Introduce an account wide section, and I am on board with rewards for total points.

I agree. I'm an altoholic, too and I dont even have Tamriel Hero achivement. Not to mention trophy collections and other stuff.

I have come to realize that the closest thing we will ever have to account wide achievements is our housing...

Bouldercleave · June 2017

At 20K you get the title "Masochist of Tamriel"

I can't even imagine getting 20K plus achievements.

PS4_ZeColmeia · June 2017

I agree and this supports achievements being character specific. If you're an altoholic then your rewards is doing everything easily by switching characters. Getting the game mastered on one character is an ACTUAL achievement. I'm about 72% done on the base game and working through PvP now. I'll go specific achievement hunting once I get all the PvP skill points. I have 338 now, 31 ranks to go plus hof.

Ladislao · June 2017

Rewards for achievements already exist: costumes, titles, colors. Although generally achievements - this is the reward

So there is no reason for milestones.

But it would be great to share achievements with friends. Some kind of profile view to show your progress.

O_LYKOS · June 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-
throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc

throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes

look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour

demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

What an experience you've had lmao I actually play the game and have never had this issue. Maybe you should focus on something else

bebynnag · June 2017

@Shadzilla (i have italicised your statements and replied to them)

Your experience sounds pretty bad bud where i come from people call males friends 'bud' i am neither male nor you friend.

looks like an L2getfriends issue to be honest. - how?

I would suggest looking at the facts. I have been playing since console launched & in that time i have seen multiple guilds (i have been a part of) fall apart over 'achievment hunters' and their tantrum throwing. i am reporting the facts as i have experienced them!

Achievements take a massive amount of time to get a lot of. i checked earlier while i was on my 'crafter' ( and i have 20,000 achievement points i have never actively chased a single achievement except master angler. and i only chased that to prove a point to a bunch of randy achievement hunters who were throwing a tantrum in a PvP guild i was a part of as to how easy it was to get the title solo.

You are suggesting someone who has a massive amount of time invested in the game on a single toon demands carries? yes because i have managed to accumulate over 20,000 achievement points on my crafter without trying,

I would assume the opposite. why?

By the way you are talking I really hope you have rak and halls HM completed, along with former emp/GO. no i do not have those trial completed on hard mode, because maw has been broken on xbox more than it has worked, and i refuse to glitch it to get my skin> additionally multimple 'raid teams' i have been a part of have fallen apart due in large part to people quitting the game because maw was broken for so long, but with a little help from achievement hunters refusing to work as part of the team. and since i have had my arm in a bandage/sling pretty much since HOF went live on console you can be sure i havent completed it on anything other than normal.
as to PvP i do have former EMPRESS, but with 14 max level characters and 8 maxlevel deleted characters no ive never got G.O.

bebynnag · June 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-
throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc

throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes

look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour

demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Like this doesn't happen now even without achievement hunters? That's a little one sided of an argument. And one awfully big assumption. On top of that I fail to see how any of this would be a problem to you. If people want their gear or a title and they pay someone to do it, which happens already, how does that affect you? If you earned your titles the right way and someone else doesnt, why should that be any skin off your nose?

I mean you mention looking down their nose but here you do the same thing. If people are willing to carry someone that's on them. If people want to pay for their achievements that's on them. I have never met anyone demanding anything of the sort. But again some title in a video game really doesn't get me all that excited. Maybe you have a rough go around those kinds of people because you start off with an attitude of being better.

an attitude of being better? wow ok LOL

i will tell you haw achievement hunters have ripped the skin off my nose.

when i first started playing at console launch i mainly just wandered around by myself doing random quests & i was getting really bored. so i made a new character & met this guy, he had a guild, he did PvP, he invited me to the guild & i spent 4/5 months having an amazing time.

the guild would work together & help one another. we did normal pledges, pvp, trials(we were v16 the trials were capped to v12) , crafting, sewer runs (once ic had been released) looking back and we were all absolutely awful at every aspect of the game but we had fun.

then people started to want the emp achievment and arguments started. small scale PvP on xbox EU was destroyed by a small group of achievment hunters. that is not an exaggeration. that is a fact for over a year small scale PvP was not possible on xbox EU because the ever growing group of cross aliance achievment hunters dominated all the campaigns.
i and a small team faught against it as much as we could (which is how i ended up earning emp) but it was impossible

so i wasnt able to play small scale PvP, and my internet connection at the time could cope with main campaign. so i couldnt PvP or ICP

so i make a tank and i start to PvE, (long story short) i inherit a trials guild which disbanded the 1st time maw brakes & half my team made statements to the effect of they are only interested in the skin & they dont want to have to work for it.

new team - the tank is throwing tantrums left right and centre about wanting this achievment & that achievment & he is getting on my nerves so i tell him to stop being a *** & quit his guild, turns out every1 else was sick of him too so they all quit his guild with me!

we form a new guild we are trying to get a solid team of 12 togetehr, and we invite people in to do vet runs with us, no dps test, no judgement, genuinley helping people with a view to finding a solid 'main team'. we kit out countless people with VO/IA gold jewelry. why because we were a trials guild who enjoyed running trials, what thatks did we get? none. all we got was abuse, people demanding carries through hard mode, people demanding carries through maw, people demanding we run vMA for them. when we refused we got abuse

so my low opion of achievment hunters does not come about because i think im better than anyone

my low opinion of achievement hunters exists because of the people i have had the misfortune to meet through the game.

I have never claimed to be amazing at this game, i know i am not the worst player on my server let alone the game, i am ADEQUATE!

Silent_Majority · June 2017

Just because you had a bad experience does not mean that all achievement hunters are bad. You can belong to 5 count em five guilds, move on, let the past go, and let those of us who enjoy the PvE aspect, and want a few achievements have our fun.

Aliyavana · June 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-
throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc

throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes

look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour

demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Like this doesn't happen now even without achievement hunters? That's a little one sided of an argument. And one awfully big assumption. On top of that I fail to see how any of this would be a problem to you. If people want their gear or a title and they pay someone to do it, which happens already, how does that affect you? If you earned your titles the right way and someone else doesnt, why should that be any skin off your nose?

I mean you mention looking down their nose but here you do the same thing. If people are willing to carry someone that's on them. If people want to pay for their achievements that's on them. I have never met anyone demanding anything of the sort. But again some title in a video game really doesn't get me all that excited. Maybe you have a rough go around those kinds of people because you start off with an attitude of being better.

an attitude of being better? wow ok LOL

i will tell you haw achievement hunters have ripped the skin off my nose.

when i first started playing at console launch i mainly just wandered around by myself doing random quests & i was getting really bored. so i made a new character & met this guy, he had a guild, he did PvP, he invited me to the guild & i spent 4/5 months having an amazing time.

the guild would work together & help one another. we did normal pledges, pvp, trials(we were v16 the trials were capped to v12) , crafting, sewer runs (once ic had been released) looking back and we were all absolutely awful at every aspect of the game but we had fun.

then people started to want the emp achievment and arguments started. small scale PvP on xbox EU was destroyed by a small group of achievment hunters. that is not an exaggeration. that is a fact for over a year small scale PvP was not possible on xbox EU because the ever growing group of cross aliance achievment hunters dominated all the campaigns.
i and a small team faught against it as much as we could (which is how i ended up earning emp) but it was impossible

so i wasnt able to play small scale PvP, and my internet connection at the time could cope with main campaign. so i couldnt PvP or ICP

so i make a tank and i start to PvE, (long story short) i inherit a trials guild which disbanded the 1st time maw brakes & half my team made statements to the effect of they are only interested in the skin & they dont want to have to work for it.

new team - the tank is throwing tantrums left right and centre about wanting this achievment & that achievment & he is getting on my nerves so i tell him to stop being a *** & quit his guild, turns out every1 else was sick of him too so they all quit his guild with me!

we form a new guild we are trying to get a solid team of 12 togetehr, and we invite people in to do vet runs with us, no dps test, no judgement, genuinley helping people with a view to finding a solid 'main team'. we kit out countless people with VO/IA gold jewelry. why because we were a trials guild who enjoyed running trials, what thatks did we get? none. all we got was abuse, people demanding carries through hard mode, people demanding carries through maw, people demanding we run vMA for them. when we refused we got abuse

so my low opion of achievment hunters does not come about because i think im better than anyone

my low opinion of achievement hunters exists because of the people i have had the misfortune to meet through the game.

I have never claimed to be amazing at this game, i know i am not the worst player on my server let alone the game, i am ADEQUATE!

Yah, I used to be on console for other games and the mindset of people isn't the best

StormWylf · June 2017

WOW
I checked this thread out to see what the OP was suggesting in particular. I figured (apparently incorrectly) that this would be a non controversial thread. So I have two thoughts:
1. Great idea aliyavana
2. Damn, some of you are just mean spirited.

1mirg · June 2017

This would actually be a great incentive to actually play through all of the zones. Most people from what I seen. Don't even bother to play through all of the zones. Instead they just jump straight to the latest area and call it a day.

bebynnag · June 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

NO - because

my experience of achievement hunters are people who:-
throw tantrums in guild chats over motives/recipies/praxis etc

throw tantrums in zone chat over chests/nodes

look down their nose at anyone who plays the game diffrently to them then gets offended by anyone who may take a dim view on their behaviour

demand carries through vet dungeons they can not be bothered to complete legitimately - as in learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries through trials they have no interest in learning their role for & demand armour at the end of it- again a refusal to learn the mechanics and work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

demand carries or worse pay in game gold or real life money to other people to play their account so they can complete ALL vet trials - because they 'need' the gear but refuse to learn the mechanics and (where appropriate) work as part of a team to complete the content in a fun & enjoyable way.

throw temper tantrums in zone/guild chat when they want emperor and if that fails they pay either in game gold or real life money for someone to 'hand it to them on a plate - because they hate PVP and are only there for the achievements, and dont see why they should L2P or work as part of a team to play objectivley in a fun & enjoyable way

admittedly my experience of achievement hunters has been heavily skewed because of the people i have had the misfortune to encounter on my platform/server (especially as most of them have also been sexist pigs)

but as far as im concerned the last thing this game needs is more freebies to incentivise exploiting, account sharing and cheating achievement hunting

Like this doesn't happen now even without achievement hunters? That's a little one sided of an argument. And one awfully big assumption. On top of that I fail to see how any of this would be a problem to you. If people want their gear or a title and they pay someone to do it, which happens already, how does that affect you? If you earned your titles the right way and someone else doesnt, why should that be any skin off your nose?

I mean you mention looking down their nose but here you do the same thing. If people are willing to carry someone that's on them. If people want to pay for their achievements that's on them. I have never met anyone demanding anything of the sort. But again some title in a video game really doesn't get me all that excited. Maybe you have a rough go around those kinds of people because you start off with an attitude of being better.

an attitude of being better? wow ok LOL

i will tell you haw achievement hunters have ripped the skin off my nose.

when i first started playing at console launch i mainly just wandered around by myself doing random quests & i was getting really bored. so i made a new character & met this guy, he had a guild, he did PvP, he invited me to the guild & i spent 4/5 months having an amazing time.

the guild would work together & help one another. we did normal pledges, pvp, trials(we were v16 the trials were capped to v12) , crafting, sewer runs (once ic had been released) looking back and we were all absolutely awful at every aspect of the game but we had fun.

then people started to want the emp achievment and arguments started. small scale PvP on xbox EU was destroyed by a small group of achievment hunters. that is not an exaggeration. that is a fact for over a year small scale PvP was not possible on xbox EU because the ever growing group of cross aliance achievment hunters dominated all the campaigns.
i and a small team faught against it as much as we could (which is how i ended up earning emp) but it was impossible

so i wasnt able to play small scale PvP, and my internet connection at the time could cope with main campaign. so i couldnt PvP or ICP

so i make a tank and i start to PvE, (long story short) i inherit a trials guild which disbanded the 1st time maw brakes & half my team made statements to the effect of they are only interested in the skin & they dont want to have to work for it.

new team - the tank is throwing tantrums left right and centre about wanting this achievment & that achievment & he is getting on my nerves so i tell him to stop being a *** & quit his guild, turns out every1 else was sick of him too so they all quit his guild with me!

we form a new guild we are trying to get a solid team of 12 togetehr, and we invite people in to do vet runs with us, no dps test, no judgement, genuinley helping people with a view to finding a solid 'main team'. we kit out countless people with VO/IA gold jewelry. why because we were a trials guild who enjoyed running trials, what thatks did we get? none. all we got was abuse, people demanding carries through hard mode, people demanding carries through maw, people demanding we run vMA for them. when we refused we got abuse

so my low opion of achievment hunters does not come about because i think im better than anyone

my low opinion of achievement hunters exists because of the people i have had the misfortune to meet through the game.

I have never claimed to be amazing at this game, i know i am not the worst player on my server let alone the game, i am ADEQUATE!

Yah, I used to be on console for other games and the mindset of people isn't the best

Just have to say @aliyavana your ability to read the parts of my posts which clearly state that this is my experience, which i openly admit is heavily skewed by the bad eggs i have met & your willingness to acknowledge that those bad experiences i have had are crappy. is doing more to alter my opinion of achievment hunters than the other people who are getting all defensive & acusing me of being elitist!

you are a good egg! and i wish you all the best in your next achievment hunt - i wish hundrends of kelp on the others the next time they go fishing!

Grunim · June 2017

If rewards are going to be handed out for total achievement points, I feel strongly that they only be cosmetic rewards. But as others have pointed out, don't most achievements already grant a title, costume, dye or housing item? Stick to the same type of reward and it's OK, granting something like a maelstrom weapon wouldn't be OK.

Dragonnord · June 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

Maybe something like:

- 5000 achievement points - title
- 10 000 achievement points - costume
- 15 000 achievement points - polymorph
- 20 000 achievement points - mount

It would motivate players to keep playing the game if they can get nice rewards.

@Astrid, and 25 000 and 30 000?

zassasaurus · June 2017

I definitely think achievement points should mean SOMETHING, as it stands why are they even there?
There really should be a title at least, maybe they could add in some furnishings that you can only get if you have over a certain number of achievement points? Seeing as they have linked so many achievements to furnishings already.

Sylvis · June 2017

I think it would be great if at the very least others could see how many achievement points you have. Maybe the way you can see another player's pvp rank.