Prediction - impregnable armor will be tomorrow's qq
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Sounds good to me, nightblades are not good for PvP. Massive burst out of stealth and instantly returning to stealth is a stupid mechanic.leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Well nbs have the best synergy with proc sets, thats all.
Its not that nbs are OP its that procs are OP and when they a nerfed depending of how hard they are nerfed nbs will go straight to the bottom of pvp stam classes i think.
This! If proc sets get nerfed and NBs don't simultaneously get a buff, then NBs will be dead for a patch.
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✭✭✭✭This is a self-fulfilling prediction..
Simply by stating that it will be tomorrow's QQ will cause hundreds of fotm-ers to immediately go and get themselves a set of impreg - and thus it becomes tomorrows QQ.
It is irrelevant whether it really is OP or not - the only thing that is relevant is whether people believe it to be OP - and so blame it for them losing.
We see cycles of this kind of stuff all the time.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Sounds good to me, nightblades are not good for PvP. Massive burst out of stealth and instantly returning to stealth is a stupid mechanic.leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Well nbs have the best synergy with proc sets, thats all.
Its not that nbs are OP its that procs are OP and when they a nerfed depending of how hard they are nerfed nbs will go straight to the bottom of pvp stam classes i think.
This! If proc sets get nerfed and NBs don't simultaneously get a buff, then NBs will be dead for a patch.
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Sounds good to me, nightblades are not good for PvP. Massive burst out of stealth and instantly returning to stealth is a stupid mechanic.leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Well nbs have the best synergy with proc sets, thats all.
Its not that nbs are OP its that procs are OP and when they a nerfed depending of how hard they are nerfed nbs will go straight to the bottom of pvp stam classes i think.
This! If proc sets get nerfed and NBs don't simultaneously get a buff, then NBs will be dead for a patch.
Give us another way to fight...
Have you seen Kena's videos? He doesn't even use cloak sometimes. There are other options.1 -
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Bloodspawn
Trollking
Wizards Riposte
Impregnable
Transmutation
Pirate Skelly
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and a few others are all overperforming imo.
Bloodspawn and Transmutation I feel, are well balanced. They both require the user to sacrifice max raw stats.
The others however, synergize too well with certain things. (Troll king with stam builds, Wizard Riposte on Shield stacks, Impreg on.... well anything lol, the set is beyond ridiculous. But really shows its absurdness on block builds and medium roll-dodge builds.)
I actually think bloodspawn is one of the main offenders in terms of overperforming defensive sets when coupled with the right ultimates (aka resto + 1h shield ulti or vamp).
Ofc when we´re not arguing that those ultimates are overperforming.
I do think there is a reason bloodspawn is chosen over trollking/pirate skelli or selene/veli and that´s not the set being so well balanced.
Transmutation is tricky. Looking at it from a single player perspective it´s fine. Figuring in that on NB or templar you will isntantly provide your whole group with 1350 critresistance i think it´s too strong.
That really is an issue with specific ultimates though. ZOS had the brilliant idea of adding cheap spammable survival ultimates to the game and it's not really fair to blame Bloodspawn.
Vamp always kinda worked in that way though.
Incap + bloodspawn is also an "interesting" offensive combination especially combined with the NB passive allowing to have two incaps within 8s.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Well purging riposte when trying to kill a target wearing it is basically this:
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Sounds good to me, nightblades are not good for PvP. Massive burst out of stealth and instantly returning to stealth is a stupid mechanic.leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Well nbs have the best synergy with proc sets, thats all.
Its not that nbs are OP its that procs are OP and when they a nerfed depending of how hard they are nerfed nbs will go straight to the bottom of pvp stam classes i think.
This! If proc sets get nerfed and NBs don't simultaneously get a buff, then NBs will be dead for a patch.
Give us another way to fight...
Have you seen Kena's videos? He doesn't even use cloak sometimes. There are other options.
Kena a magblade they don't rely on Cloak to actually be able to heal.Stamblade need cloak to get a decent heal.Have you every played CTF and had the relic as a stamblade if you pressured a even player your screwed because you can't cloak to get a crit heal.For example a DK and Stamplar have major mending and additional healing bonus in passives they can to boost there healing even with the debuff.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Well purging riposte when trying to kill a target wearing it is basically this:
That cracked me up! I was more or less talking bout Betty...
Cuz I like Warden...
Edit: I thought about it some more, it's Betty + run away lmao! Actually I'm thinking if burst is 3/4 abilities, you may not trigger it per burst.... Maybe... I should have thought this through a bit more....
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For those as slow as me, what @Derra means is, there is no cool down on Riposte and if you purge you'll very likely just re proc it.... HarumpfEdited by Waffennacht on June 26, 2017 6:22PM0 -
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@Jawasa your right thinking about last patch when it comes to mending.Still have minor mending and Minor vitality,Stam sorc can drop rally because of vigor and crit surge people do it all the time with DW/Bow build on stam sorc also S&B/DW setup Stamsorc the only class who can do that.Even with troll king our heals are weaker than other classes running trollking,They nerf proc set everyone switch to trollking NB heals will still suck in comparison.@KingJ stamplar have minor mending. Stamblade can get good heals with no cloak if you put on troll king. I run it on My medium stam sorc with gold food. I dont even use rally atm. But you have to give up selen. ☺️
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✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »does ripostle proc on multiple targets at once? So if 2+ players are critting me it will apply to both attackers?
Yes. And there is no cooldown. The set needs to have a cooldown, maybe a duration nerf as well.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »does ripostle proc on multiple targets at once? So if 2+ players are critting me it will apply to both attackers?
Yes. And there is no cooldown. The set needs to have a cooldown, maybe a duration nerf as well.
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Malamar1229 wrote: »does ripostle proc on multiple targets at once? So if 2+ players are critting me it will apply to both attackers?
Yes. And there is no cooldown. The set needs to have a cooldown, maybe a duration nerf as well.
I kinda assumed it had a CD, the fact it doesn't makes it one of the most reliable debuff sets out there
Yeah I know. I didn't realize it didn't either....wow0 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »
While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
That is easy.
Nerf proc sets like they will and make shields take crit dmg.
If you did that, because they have 0 resistance, a heal would be 9-50% more efficient than a ward - completely making them useless
Make them crit-able and give them resistances. Not really gonna matter considering so many shield stackers have like 9k resists anyway.
You then make my build OP:
27k resistance
Over 2k impenetrable (imagine if I used impregnable!)
45k+ magicka (so 10kish shields)
Minor and major protection.
Might as well add.... 50% more to my wards
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »
While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
That is easy.
Nerf proc sets like they will and make shields take crit dmg.
If you did that, because they have 0 resistance, a heal would be 9-50% more efficient than a ward - completely making them useless
Make them crit-able and give them resistances. Not really gonna matter considering so many shield stackers have like 9k resists anyway.
You then make my build OP:
27k resistance
Over 2k impenetrable (imagine if I used impregnable!)
45k+ magicka (so 10kish shields)
Minor and major protection.
Might as well add.... 50% more to my wards
What do you run for those stats. Or were you just stating
I don't have impregnable, nor Riposte, so I'm running Heavy x5 light x2 Shackle breaker and Necropotence,
At the time I posted, I was also running Ice Fortress (dropped it cuz in heavy it was over kill)
Also in Open World I slot Northern Storm, I've also decided to slot innerlight
The thing is, everything that people complain about Sorcs can be done on a Warden - the only difference is Sorcs' abilities are easier to land, but Wardens are harder to counter0 -
Jawasa✭✭✭Nah not at all. Try to pin down a stamblade that know how to use mirror image and cloak. Stam sorc is probably the second most mobil after stamblade but it's not even close. There is a reason why stamblade is the best 1vx class atm. Atleast from what I have seen in cyro.3
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I saw Stam sorc over stamblade but they are 1 and 2 I'm seeing more Stam sorc 1VX than stamblade.See more stamblades in the x.Nah not at all. Try to pin down a stamblade that know how to use mirror image and cloak. Stam sorc is probably the second most mobile after stamblade but it's not even close. There is a reason why stamblade is the best 1vx class atm. Atleast from what I have seen in cyro.
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Only one class has a purge.
It's expensive and takes an ability cast.
Support Purge is even more expensive and unrealistic.
And Riposte instantly reapplies on the next crit. It has no internal cooldown.
Do you use a dot bro? An aoe? Ok, then you have Minor Maim on you 100% of the time, no exceptions. Have fun.Edited by NightbladeMechanics on June 27, 2017 2:03AMKena
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✭✭✭✭✭NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Only one class has a purge.
It's expensive and takes an ability cast.
Support Purge is even more expensive and unrealistic.
And Riposte instantly reapplies on the next crit. It has no internal cooldown.
Do you use a dot bro? An aoe? Ok, then you have Minor Maim on you 100% of the time, no exceptions. Have fun.
@NightbladeMechanics that's why I later posted:Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Well purging riposte when trying to kill a target wearing it is basically this:
That cracked me up! I was more or less talking bout Betty...
Cuz I like Warden...
Edit: I thought about it some more, it's Betty + run away lmao! Actually I'm thinking if burst is 3/4 abilities, you may not trigger it per burst.... Maybe... I should have thought this through a bit more....
Edit edit:
For those as slow as me, what @Derra means is, there is no cool down on Riposte and if you purge you'll very likely just re proc it.... Harumpf
So... I already beat you to the punch brah.1 -
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Only one class has a purge.
It's expensive and takes an ability cast.
Support Purge is even more expensive and unrealistic.
And Riposte instantly reapplies on the next crit. It has no internal cooldown.
Do you use a dot bro? An aoe? Ok, then you have Minor Maim on you 100% of the time, no exceptions. Have fun.
@NightbladeMechanics that's why I later posted:Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Well purging riposte when trying to kill a target wearing it is basically this:
That cracked me up! I was more or less talking bout Betty...
Cuz I like Warden...
Edit: I thought about it some more, it's Betty + run away lmao! Actually I'm thinking if burst is 3/4 abilities, you may not trigger it per burst.... Maybe... I should have thought this through a bit more....
Edit edit:
For those as slow as me, what @Derra means is, there is no cool down on Riposte and if you purge you'll very likely just re proc it.... Harumpf
So... I already beat you to the punch brah.
I don't see that post. Not reading the whole thread, just where I'm tagged.Kena
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✭✭✭✭✭NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Only one class has a purge.
It's expensive and takes an ability cast.
Support Purge is even more expensive and unrealistic.
And Riposte instantly reapplies on the next crit. It has no internal cooldown.
Do you use a dot bro? An aoe? Ok, then you have Minor Maim on you 100% of the time, no exceptions. Have fun.
@NightbladeMechanics that's why I later posted:Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Well purging riposte when trying to kill a target wearing it is basically this:
That cracked me up! I was more or less talking bout Betty...
Cuz I like Warden...
Edit: I thought about it some more, it's Betty + run away lmao! Actually I'm thinking if burst is 3/4 abilities, you may not trigger it per burst.... Maybe... I should have thought this through a bit more....
Edit edit:
For those as slow as me, what @Derra means is, there is no cool down on Riposte and if you purge you'll very likely just re proc it.... Harumpf
So... I already beat you to the punch brah.
I don't see that post. Not reading the whole thread, just where I'm tagged.
Then how the heck did you see my original post? @NightbladeMechanics ?
Riddle me that! Lol I'm guessing you read it cuz it was short didn't you? Admit it you ignored the longer posts!
Ah just messin
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✭NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »You guys do know Riposte can be purged right?
Only one class has a purge.
It's expensive and takes an ability cast.
Support Purge is even more expensive and unrealistic.
And Riposte instantly reapplies on the next crit. It has no internal cooldown.
Do you use a dot bro? An aoe? Ok, then you have Minor Maim on you 100% of the time, no exceptions. Have fun.
So i played around last night with this in a build and it performs very well. I only use hard ward too. One thing to note is the sacrifices because I had to make this work with a sustain set, so damage was noticeably lower.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Am I the only one who really doesn't care for this set? I've run it with a couple different set ups and at best it feels meh. You get three max stats for a lot of crit resist that you don't really need. In turn you lack wpn damage or regen or a little of both.
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IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Am I the only one who really doesn't care for this set? I've run it with a couple different set ups and at best it feels meh. You get three max stats for a lot of crit resist that you don't really need. In turn you lack wpn damage or regen or a little of both.
It shines in BGs, where anyone that crits you now deals 15% less damage to everyone
I think this guy is talking about impregnable, not riposte.#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?2 -
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✭After they nerf proc sets Stam DK will be almost dead.
NBs will be more balanced. And the game will be more enjoyable, unless you're a stam dkPower Wealth And Influence.0