Soooo zos... about that balancing..

Ep1kMalware · June 2017

Looked at vma weekly leaderboard, as it's about to close. And it's been a few weeks, so I thought I'd give it an in depth look. 4 classes havent filled, bottom score 415. Sorc however, completely filled, 497k. I wonder which class is overperforming..

Remember when you gutted every *** class but sorc and ignored your player feedback? You feelin proud of that decision yet?

Smh. This is ps4 NA, what are your guy's boards like on other servers?

DocFrost72 · June 2017

Checking PC NA for you now, but you should probably remember that a lot of times, this was the case for the other classes before Morrowind. The RNG and constant isolation was enough to remove me, and I'm sure others. My score stuck as a 340k on my stamplar, the only time before the change I tried.

Meanwhile, sorcs prepatch were scoring 600k. (Tbf, some stam DKs were too ANDY xP) The sorceror class just has the perfect toolkit for vMA, stamina or magicka. No other class has that setup containing surge, ward, hurricane (maj/minor expedition is criminally undervalued in there), bound armor, implosion, and of course endless fury.

old_mufasa · June 2017

So this is just another nerf sorc thread... can't think of anything constructive to post other then nerf class over jealousy..

How about post why your class should get a buff.. instead of attacking another class your jealous over...

Oh and fyi not all class's do the same thing.. meaning one is always going to be top in a certain part of the game.. you know like Templars are the beat healers and DK's the best tanks..

Ep1kMalware · June 2017

old_mufasa wrote: »

So this is just another nerf sorc thread... can't think of anything constructive to post other then nerf class over jealousy..

How about post why your class should get a buff.. instead of attacking another class your jealous over...

Oh and fyi not all class's do the same thing.. meaning one is always going to be top in a certain part of the game.. you know like Templars are the beat healers and DK's the best tanks..

You have a thought impedement, don't you? Bounce your goofy ass up om out of here.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Checking PC NA for you now, but you should probably remember that a lot of times, this was the case for the other classes before Morrowind. The RNG and constant isolation was enough to remove me, and I'm sure others. My score stuck as a 340k on my stamplar, the only time before the change I tried.

Meanwhile, sorcs prepatch were scoring 600k. (Tbf, some stam DKs were too ANDY xP) The sorceror class just has the perfect toolkit for vMA, stamina or magicka. No other class has that setup containing surge, ward, hurricane (maj/minor expedition is criminally undervalued in there), bound armor, implosion, and of course endless fury.

I kind of agree. I think the big deal isn't sustain but tampering with toolkits for other classes. Templar for example isn't a mobile class, and is expectes to sit there and heal through everything. Major mending nerf hit hard. They really should bring it back or offer the class some mobility. Plars also come out of the box with rather low life.

Nbs arent doing too bad on weekly, i think they'll climb back up. Dk's and templars will be much slower of a climb. Iirc therre was a 600k score for sorc this week. Fights are so short in vma that sustain just isn't a problem when you know the layout. But you bring up an excellent point about toolkits. Templars/dks got overly pillaged this patch.

Zer0oo · June 2017

vMSA is easy for every class now if you have problems to beat it with a class it is just a l2p issue. Also top scores in msa don't have anything to do with class balance.

Ep1kMalware · June 2017

Zer0oo wrote: »

vMSA is easy for every class now if you have problems to beat it with a class it is just a l2p issue. Also top scores in msa don't have anything to do with class balance.

can't complain about no effort weekly rewards.. I might even get my magdk through it. (I hate magdk in vma >.<)

Strider_Roshin · June 2017

Lol @Ep1kMalware you should know better than calling sorcs out for being OP. You know how easily they get triggered from such things.

caperon · June 2017

Vma on sorc is just easier, thats why more people farm it on sorc, but its not really faster than magicka nightblade. In trials magicka sorc is not overperforming anymore since they all use heavy atacks now and do less damage than stamina toons.

PVE balance is pretty good now.

laksikus · June 2017

497k is pretty low.
The reason why sorc is full, is just that there are more people doing sorc, than people doing it on nb, not cos its easier.
Both have 600k scores, nb slightly better.

squinceybones · June 2017

I'm sure there are a lot of players capable of doing vMSA, but just aren't. Either they have the gear they want or they're doing other things. I can do it, but I've got my gear and it's just boring, so I'm not gonna do it. As for sorc leaderboards, it's the easiest to do it on, why wouldn't you use a sorc?

Dymence · June 2017

Maelstrom is stupidly easy now, and different classes have different toolkits from the get go. That's why there are class dependant leaderboards. If there weren't, then you'd have a right to complain about it. All in all, vma leaderboards mean nothing in the grand scale of a class' performance.

RoyJade · June 2017

squinceybones wrote: »

I'm sure there are a lot of players capable of doing vMSA, but just aren't. Either they have the gear they want or they're doing other things. I can do it, but I've got my gear and it's just boring, so I'm not gonna do it. As for sorc leaderboards, it's the easiest to do it on, why wouldn't you use a sorc?

Because I want these sweet easy gold loot

I put two wardens, two templars and one DK just for that. It's much more a pain than on my sorcs or my NBs, but the guaranteed gold is sweet.

Joke aside, sorc is a solo class. Passive selfheals with surge, good aoe, good burst, good single, good mobility. They've everything you can dream of for solo content, except the really, really strong stamblade burst (and sometime the DK's wings, but mobs often die before you even need them). If you want a maelstrom balancing, fine, but you'll probably break group HL pve, mass pvp, IC pvp, duels and BG.

code65536 · June 2017

Because vMA is such a good measure of balance across all other domains?

Also, a large reason why so many people use sorcs in vMA is because of a herd mentality. It's the class that people write the most guides for and produce the most videos of, and when people get into vMA for the first time, they will gravitate to it as a result. That doesn't mean that it's the easiest--I would argue that magblade is even easier.

MrBetadine · June 2017

squinceybones wrote: »

As for sorc leaderboards, it's the easiest to do it on, why wouldn't you use a sorc?

Doesnt this indicate the OPness of sorcs?

WhitePawPrints · June 2017

Are you mad!? Asking for more nerfs on Sorcerers?

Now ZoS is going to nerf all the other classes again! And then buff Sorcerers more!

ADarklore · June 2017

People need to keep in mind that ZOS has stated 'major' class balancing to come with next update... so I would expect a major Sorc nerf. They're not going to make any major adjustments or balances in between updates, they've said as much... they reserve these things for the major updates. Last update was about nerfing sustain and Morrowind launch, the next update will simply be about new dungeons DLC, which means they can focus on major balance updates. Considering the serious impact they made with sustain while ignoring the majority of players against it, one can only imagine how heavily detrimental the next 'class balance' is going to be.

Doctordarkspawn · June 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

People need to keep in mind that ZOS has stated 'major' class balancing to come with next update... so I would expect a major Sorc nerf. They're not going to make any major adjustments or balances in between updates, they've said as much... they reserve these things for the major updates. Last update was about nerfing sustain and Morrowind launch, the next update will simply be about new dungeons DLC, which means they can focus on major balance updates. Considering the serious impact they made with sustain while ignoring the majority of players against it, one can only imagine how heavily detrimental the next 'class balance' is going to be.

Basicly, I expect them to drive more people away because they refuse to admit the players have any sort of say in things. Kay.

Idinuse · June 2017

old_mufasa wrote: »

So this is just another nerf sorc thread... can't think of anything constructive to post other then nerf class over jealousy..

How about post why your class should get a buff.. instead of attacking another class your jealous over...

Oh and fyi not all class's do the same thing.. meaning one is always going to be top in a certain part of the game.. you know like Templars are the beat healers and DK's the best tanks..

You should have done that to Templars, but you didn't, did you? Hypocrits.

red_emu · June 2017

ESO year 2020 update. All classes have 1HP 1MP 1SP. They all hit for 1 dmg with a wooden sword and all armour is paper. Balance sorted

Magıc · June 2017

It's not just surge/ward that keep Sorc at the top in vMA, it's lightning staves. Started doing vMA again recently on sorc and I only ever use force pulse on the boss of each round. mNB can probably do the same and be fine with siphoning/harness, only using funnel etc. On bosses.

Sorcs aren't OP overall, their kit + lightning staves fit vMA the best at the moment. They aren't the best in trials anymore, not the best in PvP but still strong. I don't even want to try vMA on my sDK, sustain looks aids and I'm a sDK main.

notimetocare · June 2017

Oh look, an Ep1kMalware complaint thread, these are rare...

Sorc has ALWAYS been strong for solo content. That shield allows for so much forgiveness on errors. Stam sorc ability to heal with crit surge is almost as forgiving.

Every other class can do just as good in vMA. At least on PC, except for DK everything is just as full as sorc. Guess the lack of skill on console pushes everyone to Sorc? Who knows other than the people playing sorc.

notimetocare · June 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

People need to keep in mind that ZOS has stated 'major' class balancing to come with next update... so I would expect a major Sorc nerf. They're not going to make any major adjustments or balances in between updates, they've said as much... they reserve these things for the major updates. Last update was about nerfing sustain and Morrowind launch, the next update will simply be about new dungeons DLC, which means they can focus on major balance updates. Considering the serious impact they made with sustain while ignoring the majority of players against it, one can only imagine how heavily detrimental the next 'class balance' is going to be.

Basicly, I expect them to drive more people away because they refuse to admit the players have any sort of say in things. Kay.

Players do not have a say in how a dev balances and adjusts a game... lol what?

Rohamad_Ali · June 2017

You write this and the first thing Wrobel is going to do is nerf Templar and buff Warden .

Ep1kMalware · June 2017

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Are you mad!? Asking for more nerfs on Sorcerers?

Now ZoS is going to nerf all the other classes again! And then buff Sorcerers more!

Not if they don't sell enuff wardens! They might jist give warden your shield too!

Ep1kMalware · June 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

People need to keep in mind that ZOS has stated 'major' class balancing to come with next update... so I would expect a major Sorc nerf. They're not going to make any major adjustments or balances in between updates, they've said as much... they reserve these things for the major updates. Last update was about nerfing sustain and Morrowind launch, the next update will simply be about new dungeons DLC, which means they can focus on major balance updates. Considering the serious impact they made with sustain while ignoring the majority of players against it, one can only imagine how heavily detrimental the next 'class balance' is going to be.

I dunno. Despite the way zos has chosen to balance things, I rolled a warden (later deleted it). I tried really, really hard to keep an open mind about it. The warden,.. just kinda sucks. Ans that SUCKS. But.. it's not the fact that it sucks, its because instead of coming up with an origional class concept you have this fairy throwing beetles, mushrooms, icecicles, and ghost trees on ***. All using utilities stolen from other classes.

It's like they new it was trash, and decided to knock down other classes to make the warden appealing. Instead of just making a good class. 'Major Balancing' scares me because if they think the warden isn't appealing enough, their demonstratable mindset seems to indicate their balance changes will be to make the warden look better by continuously crapping on other classes.

Rip major mending.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Im confused? If your complaining about minimum rewards score? Isn't it class based? Not sure how class scores for another class would effect your ability to get into your class scores?

Its pet sorcs that are strong in msa, they're strong everywhere in pve but are useless in pvp.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2017

caperon wrote: »

Vma on sorc is just easier, thats why more people farm it on sorc, but its not really faster than magicka nightblade. In trials magicka sorc is not overperforming anymore since they all use heavy atacks now and do less damage than stamina toons.

PVE balance is pretty good now.

This ^

NB tool kit for VMA is very solid, its just a bit easier on a Sorc. DK's and Templars both do not have the mobility, burst, and passive healing to do VMA as easily. Very doable just not as easily.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2017

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Looked at vma weekly leaderboard, as it's about to close. And it's been a few weeks, so I thought I'd give it an in depth look. 4 classes havent filled, bottom score 415. Sorc however, completely filled, 497k. I wonder which class is overperforming..

Remember when you gutted every *** class but sorc and ignored your player feedback? You feelin proud of that decision yet?

Smh. This is ps4 NA, what are your guy's boards like on other servers?

At the end of the day its the DPS meta design of the whole process. the whole game is about that big DPS number. there is no room for other performance of support Tank or heals. one spec will always find away to out do another with skill and ease of rotation right now its magica is king .

Zer0oo · June 2017

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

Vma on sorc is just easier, thats why more people farm it on sorc, but its not really faster than magicka nightblade. In trials magicka sorc is not overperforming anymore since they all use heavy atacks now and do less damage than stamina toons.

PVE balance is pretty good now.

This ^

NB tool kit for VMA is very solid, its just a bit easier on a Sorc. DK's and Templars both do not have the mobility, burst, and passive healing to do VMA as easily. Very doable just not as easily.

Tbh templer are the easiest class to do msa with, but sorcs and nb are just easier to make it alittle faster.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2017

Zer0oo wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

Vma on sorc is just easier, thats why more people farm it on sorc, but its not really faster than magicka nightblade. In trials magicka sorc is not overperforming anymore since they all use heavy atacks now and do less damage than stamina toons.

PVE balance is pretty good now.

This ^

NB tool kit for VMA is very solid, its just a bit easier on a Sorc. DK's and Templars both do not have the mobility, burst, and passive healing to do VMA as easily. Very doable just not as easily.

Tbh templer are the easiest class to do msa with, but sorcs and nb are just easier to make it alittle faster.

Haven't done it on Templar, but I've done it on stam and Magicka versions of DK's, NB's, and Sorc's. Sorc's were by far the easiest, I liked my Mag NB though over Mag Sorc, but I'd take Stam Sorc over every other stam build for VMA.

RoyJade · June 2017

Templars would have been the easiest with mobility and a ranged spammable who heal them. On every close-ranged fight arena, magplars are indeed easier, but sorc and NB are better when ranged count. And it count on most of the arena.