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Prediction - impregnable armor will be tomorrow's qq
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✭✭✭✭✭I also wanna point out that impregnable has no animation or anything to let players know it's what's stopping them, so they'll QQ not about the set, but about the class wearing it3 -
TimeDazzler✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.Edited by TimeDazzler on June 25, 2017 6:35PMPC NA
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Tımë Ðâzzłër - Magicka Nightblade - AD
Ðazzler - Stamina Arcanist - AD
Sugar Deady - Magicka Necromancer - AD
Sprint v X - Stamina Sorcerer - EP
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Magıc✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Well nbs have the best synergy with proc sets, thats all.
Its not that nbs are OP its that procs are OP and when they a nerfed depending of how hard they are nerfed nbs will go straight to the bottom of pvp stam classes i think.
Na. Even without procs it's the best 1vX class right now because of cloak working 10% of the time instead of 1% of the time like it has been in recent memory. It won't be meta anymore though, but it won't be the weakest stam class. StamDK is weak right now unless running dizzy swing in heavy, one play style. Stamden is pretty weak, maybe cause people haven't worked out how best to play it but I haven't met a single stamden who has been able to fight for more than 30 seconds. Stamplar/Storc I'm not even sure about, I'm not seeing many in EU but PC EU has historically been the most cancerous platformand all I'm seeing in PvP right now is stamblades, magblades, magplars, magdens spamming bird and the occasional magdk.
Stam dk 2h S&b in heavy is still really good.
With dizzy swing which I already mentioned. Relying on dizzy swing isn't possible on PC EU. It may work on PC NA, and other platforms, but over here you're not doing anything with it. Playing bow/2h is ***, and so is playing SnB/2h with ransack/reverb.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
This is more to do with non cp, e.g. bg's.
Getting 4k crit resist in there will negate all crit dmg done to you.PS4 EU DC
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As he mentioned in this video this is for CP and non CP.The build really shines in No CP.Now for CP this Build god as well now he doesn't have to put points into crit resist he can put a bunch of points into quick recovery to help with NB crappy Heals.Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Plus if he choice wear all well fitted and not be gimped.0 -
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Plus if he choice wear all well fitted and not be gimped.Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Right, but keep in mind that impreg is 2-4 max hp, magika, stamina. Another set could offer stamina regen, etc for sustain. IMHO for CP I think this build is not that good. Nightblades shine at being bursty, not tanky. Sure you can have the extra survivability to deal more long term DPS, but the meta right now favors burst builds over sustained dps builds. That's why proc sets are so good right now.PC NA
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Hi man,Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Hi man, As I mentioned in the OP and in the video post, this set mostly shines(to the level of OPness) in a non CP environment. But even in CP it's insane, will break it down for you. Lets say you go with your heavy armor build full impen, 1750 crit resistance. your friend is using impregnable armor 5 well fitted, 2 impen, for 25% discount for both sprinting and dodge rolling and 3000 crit resist. For your build to reach the same stats as your friend you will have put 51 cp in resistant, 47 points in sprinter, 100 points in tumbling. SO basically impregnable armor, 5th bonus, just gave you 198 CP value.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »
Hi man,Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Hi man, As I mentioned in the OP and in the video post, this set mostly shines(to the level of OPness) in a non CP environment. But even in CP it's insane, will break it down for you. Lets say you go with your heavy armor build full impen, 1750 crit resistance. your friend is using impregnable armor 5 well fitted, 2 impen, for 25% discount for both sprinting and dodge rolling and 3000 crit resist. For your build to reach the same stats as your friend you will have put 51 cp in resistant, 47 points in sprinter, 100 points in tumbling. SO basically impregnable armor, 5th bonus, just gave you 198 CP value.
Could go 7x well fitted and have more dodge roll reduction than medium builds.
With more crit resist
and more armor
and more hp
and healingPS4 EU DC
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Plus if he choice wear all well fitted and not be gimped.Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Right, but keep in mind that impreg is 2-4 max hp, magika, stamina. Another set could offer stamina regen, etc for sustain. IMHO for CP I think this build is not that good. Nightblades shine at being bursty, not tanky. Sure you can have the extra survivability to deal more long term DPS, but the meta right now favors burst builds over sustained dps builds. That's why proc sets are so good right now.
max hp, magika, stamina is a great combo for a pvp set, just look back on black rose. Giving tanky builds the option to go well fitted will help a tons in sustain.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »
Hi man,Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Hi man, As I mentioned in the OP and in the video post, this set mostly shines(to the level of OPness) in a non CP environment. But even in CP it's insane, will break it down for you. Lets say you go with your heavy armor build full impen, 1750 crit resistance. your friend is using impregnable armor 5 well fitted, 2 impen, for 25% discount for both sprinting and dodge rolling and 3000 crit resist. For your build to reach the same stats as your friend you will have put 51 cp in resistant, 47 points in sprinter, 100 points in tumbling. SO basically impregnable armor, 5th bonus, just gave you 198 CP value.
Your analysis is flawed in one major way: You forgot to compare the added stats of the set used in place of impregnable.
It's a cost benefit analysis and you need to think of the opportunity cost of the set not picked.
Edit: You took into consideration the 5th bonus of impregnable but not the 5th bonus of the opposing set. I agree impregnable is a great set, but that's why your numbers are so high.Edited by Waffennacht on June 25, 2017 10:40PM4 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »
Hi man,Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Hi man, As I mentioned in the OP and in the video post, this set mostly shines(to the level of OPness) in a non CP environment. But even in CP it's insane, will break it down for you. Lets say you go with your heavy armor build full impen, 1750 crit resistance. your friend is using impregnable armor 5 well fitted, 2 impen, for 25% discount for both sprinting and dodge rolling and 3000 crit resist. For your build to reach the same stats as your friend you will have put 51 cp in resistant, 47 points in sprinter, 100 points in tumbling. SO basically impregnable armor, 5th bonus, just gave you 198 CP value.
Your analysis is flawed in one major way: You forgot to compare the added stats of the set used in place of impregnable.
It's a cost benefit analysis and you need to think of the opportunity cost of the set not picked.
Edit: You took into consideration the 5th bonus of impregnable but not the 5th bonus of the opposing set. I agree impregnable is a great set, but that's why your numbers are so high.
The thing that makes impregnable armor so special is that you can get it's 5th bonus only from a combination of impen AND CP. Most set bonuses you can compare their benefits from other sources. It give builds the ability to be both tanky and mobile/ dodgy. It also locks the crit stat on non CP pvp.0 -
TimeDazzler✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »
Hi man,Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Hi man, As I mentioned in the OP and in the video post, this set mostly shines(to the level of OPness) in a non CP environment. But even in CP it's insane, will break it down for you. Lets say you go with your heavy armor build full impen, 1750 crit resistance. your friend is using impregnable armor 5 well fitted, 2 impen, for 25% discount for both sprinting and dodge rolling and 3000 crit resist. For your build to reach the same stats as your friend you will have put 51 cp in resistant, 47 points in sprinter, 100 points in tumbling. SO basically impregnable armor, 5th bonus, just gave you 198 CP value.
Your analysis is flawed in one major way: You forgot to compare the added stats of the set used in place of impregnable.
It's a cost benefit analysis and you need to think of the opportunity cost of the set not picked.
Edit: You took into consideration the 5th bonus of impregnable but not the 5th bonus of the opposing set. I agree impregnable is a great set, but that's why your numbers are so high.
The thing that makes impregnable armor so special is that you can get it's 5th bonus only from a combination of impen AND CP. Most set bonuses you can compare their benefits from other sources. It give builds the ability to be both tanky and mobile/ dodgy. It also locks the crit stat on non CP pvp.
Clearly, you love impreg armor, I am not saying its not a good set I am just saying that it doesn't suit my play style as a stamina nightblade. I would rather have a set with offensive bonuses instead of tankiness even if that tankiness allows me to have well fited, etc. Just dont assume that because you're running 7x impen on your armor you dont have sustain and can't dodge roll or sprint as much as someone wearing impreg.PC NA
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Tımë Ðâzzłër - Magicka Nightblade - AD
Ðazzler - Stamina Arcanist - AD
Sugar Deady - Magicka Necromancer - AD
Sprint v X - Stamina Sorcerer - EP
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »
Hi man,Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Hi man, As I mentioned in the OP and in the video post, this set mostly shines(to the level of OPness) in a non CP environment. But even in CP it's insane, will break it down for you. Lets say you go with your heavy armor build full impen, 1750 crit resistance. your friend is using impregnable armor 5 well fitted, 2 impen, for 25% discount for both sprinting and dodge rolling and 3000 crit resist. For your build to reach the same stats as your friend you will have put 51 cp in resistant, 47 points in sprinter, 100 points in tumbling. SO basically impregnable armor, 5th bonus, just gave you 198 CP value.
Your analysis is flawed in one major way: You forgot to compare the added stats of the set used in place of impregnable.
It's a cost benefit analysis and you need to think of the opportunity cost of the set not picked.
Edit: You took into consideration the 5th bonus of impregnable but not the 5th bonus of the opposing set. I agree impregnable is a great set, but that's why your numbers are so high.
The thing that makes impregnable armor so special is that you can get it's 5th bonus only from a combination of impen AND CP. Most set bonuses you can compare their benefits from other sources. It give builds the ability to be both tanky and mobile/ dodgy. It also locks the crit stat on non CP pvp.
It doesn't matter why it's special in a correct opportunity cost analysis, the fact remains you sacrifice something to achieve that impen and you ignored it in your evaluation. Again I'm not stating anything about impregnable, just your analysis is flawed.
For example to compare impregnable vs shackle breaker would be 2500 impen approximately 1k health 1k mag 1k Stam vs 130 wpn/spll DMG 130 Stam/mag regen and 2k Stam 2k mag. If you ignored the 4k resources the evaluation is WAY off1 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »
Hi man,Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Hi man, As I mentioned in the OP and in the video post, this set mostly shines(to the level of OPness) in a non CP environment. But even in CP it's insane, will break it down for you. Lets say you go with your heavy armor build full impen, 1750 crit resistance. your friend is using impregnable armor 5 well fitted, 2 impen, for 25% discount for both sprinting and dodge rolling and 3000 crit resist. For your build to reach the same stats as your friend you will have put 51 cp in resistant, 47 points in sprinter, 100 points in tumbling. SO basically impregnable armor, 5th bonus, just gave you 198 CP value.
Your analysis is flawed in one major way: You forgot to compare the added stats of the set used in place of impregnable.
It's a cost benefit analysis and you need to think of the opportunity cost of the set not picked.
Edit: You took into consideration the 5th bonus of impregnable but not the 5th bonus of the opposing set. I agree impregnable is a great set, but that's why your numbers are so high.
The thing that makes impregnable armor so special is that you can get it's 5th bonus only from a combination of impen AND CP. Most set bonuses you can compare their benefits from other sources. It give builds the ability to be both tanky and mobile/ dodgy. It also locks the crit stat on non CP pvp.
It doesn't matter why it's special in a correct opportunity cost analysis, the fact remains you sacrifice something to achieve that impen and you ignored it in your evaluation. Again I'm not stating anything about impregnable, just your analysis is flawed.
For example to compare impregnable vs shackle breaker would be 2500 impen approximately 1k health 1k mag 1k Stam vs 130 wpn/spll DMG 130 Stam/mag regen and 2k Stam 2k mag. If you ignored the 4k resources the evaluation is WAY off
It's not flawed because I have not made a direct comparison with any other specific set. I just wanted to put a number for the value of the 5th piece bonus as it so exclusive. You could argue BTW if anything, that my calculation is wrong due to the diminishing returns on CP and that I may have go 5 impen 2 well fitted and more points in resistant, perhaps you can get the same results with less CP. Your shackle breaker example is perfect to emphasis my argument regarding impregnable armor exclusivity. In the green mage video(you also commented on) he just explains for example how can you get total more stats with lich compared to shackle breaker due to different build aspects that comes into play.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »
Hi man,Lughlongarm wrote: »Fresh video by BakerOfCakes, explains the merits of impregnable armor, especially on non CP environment.
Still think 7 piece impenetrable with points into CP will outperform. Doesn't make any sense to use a 5 piece for tankiness on a nightblade and then call it a "Reaper" build. I am using Selene + Viper + Hundings with all impenetrable and DW/2H like in the vid and have the same 3k crit resist with much more weapon damage.
Edit: Also I'm using serpent mundus as well.
Hi man, As I mentioned in the OP and in the video post, this set mostly shines(to the level of OPness) in a non CP environment. But even in CP it's insane, will break it down for you. Lets say you go with your heavy armor build full impen, 1750 crit resistance. your friend is using impregnable armor 5 well fitted, 2 impen, for 25% discount for both sprinting and dodge rolling and 3000 crit resist. For your build to reach the same stats as your friend you will have put 51 cp in resistant, 47 points in sprinter, 100 points in tumbling. SO basically impregnable armor, 5th bonus, just gave you 198 CP value.
Your analysis is flawed in one major way: You forgot to compare the added stats of the set used in place of impregnable.
It's a cost benefit analysis and you need to think of the opportunity cost of the set not picked.
Edit: You took into consideration the 5th bonus of impregnable but not the 5th bonus of the opposing set. I agree impregnable is a great set, but that's why your numbers are so high.
The thing that makes impregnable armor so special is that you can get it's 5th bonus only from a combination of impen AND CP. Most set bonuses you can compare their benefits from other sources. It give builds the ability to be both tanky and mobile/ dodgy. It also locks the crit stat on non CP pvp.
It doesn't matter why it's special in a correct opportunity cost analysis, the fact remains you sacrifice something to achieve that impen and you ignored it in your evaluation. Again I'm not stating anything about impregnable, just your analysis is flawed.
For example to compare impregnable vs shackle breaker would be 2500 impen approximately 1k health 1k mag 1k Stam vs 130 wpn/spll DMG 130 Stam/mag regen and 2k Stam 2k mag. If you ignored the 4k resources the evaluation is WAY off
It's not flawed because I have not made a direct comparison with any other specific set. I just wanted to put a number for the value of the 5th piece bonus as it so exclusive. You could argue BTW if anything, that my calculation is wrong due to the diminishing returns on CP and that I may have go 5 impen 2 well fitted and more points in resistant, perhaps you can get the same results with less CP. Your shackle breaker example is perfect to emphasis my argument regarding impregnable armor exclusivity. In the green mage video(you also commented on) he just explains for example how can you get total more stats with lich compared to shackle breaker due to different build aspects that comes into play.
I see what you're saying, and I understand.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Yoohoo4411 wrote: »Nerds.
Did you just call MMO players nerds? O..oMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭Nah. Strongest set in the game is Wizard's Riposte. Period. I called it, and I stand by it. Don't make me math.Kena
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I also wanna point out that impregnable has no animation or anything to let players know it's what's stopping them, so they'll QQ not about the set, but about the class wearing it
I know someone is wearing this set when they turn my 29k overload tool-tip into an 11k crit. While roll-dodging around with bow/2h.
Still only takes one hard-cast frag into 2 instant overloads to kill in under 1 second from my burst.... but still. This set is ridic. It's 5pc crit resist is 100% up-time that completely out-performs 5pc transmutation. The set needs a severe nerf.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think defensive sets generally get overlooked too much as they tend to create just as much asinine gameplay as spike dmg proccs do (i think beating on a player for 10 minutes is just as bad if not worse than getting instarekt by proccs).
Bloodspawn
Trollking
Wizards Riposte
Impregnable
Transmutation
Pirate Skelly
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and a few others are all overperforming imo.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭✭NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Nah. Strongest set in the game is Wizard's Riposte. Period. I called it, and I stand by it. Don't make me math.
Depends entirely how much crit you´re running. Against high crit builds (aswell as high critdmg) impreg is better. Against "norma"l builds wizards riposte is ridiculous.
My magNB runs Trollking wizards transmutation for bgs running around trolling people. It´s hilarious. Near immortal in light armor.<Noricum>
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✭✭I think defensive sets generally get overlooked too much as they tend to create just as much asinine gameplay as spike dmg proccs do (i think beating on a player for 10 minutes is just as bad if not worse than getting instarekt by proccs).
Bloodspawn
Trollking
Wizards Riposte
Impregnable
Transmutation
Pirate Skelly
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and a few others are all overperforming imo.
Bloodspawn and Transmutation I feel, are well balanced. They both require the user to sacrifice max raw stats.
The others however, synergize too well with certain things. (Troll king with stam builds, Wizard Riposte on Shield stacks, Impreg on.... well anything lol, the set is beyond ridiculous. But really shows its absurdness on block builds and medium roll-dodge builds.)Edited by Lord_Hev on June 26, 2017 10:44AM2 -
NightbladeMechanics✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Nah. Strongest set in the game is Wizard's Riposte. Period. I called it, and I stand by it. Don't make me math.
Depends entirely how much crit you´re running. Against high crit builds (aswell as high critdmg) impreg is better. Against "norma"l builds wizards riposte is ridiculous.
My magNB runs Trollking wizards transmutation for bgs running around trolling people. It´s hilarious. Near immortal in light armor.
The breakeven between Riposte and Impreg is 41% crit (which is a conservative estimate -- it's actually a bit higher than that, varying based on enemy crit damage levels). That's comfortably between CP and non-CP crit levels. Bring proc sets into the picture in either CP or non-CP, and Riposte pulls ahead.
Good build kappa
Edited by NightbladeMechanics on June 26, 2017 11:02AMKena
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think defensive sets generally get overlooked too much as they tend to create just as much asinine gameplay as spike dmg proccs do (i think beating on a player for 10 minutes is just as bad if not worse than getting instarekt by proccs).
Bloodspawn
Trollking
Wizards Riposte
Impregnable
Transmutation
Pirate Skelly
...
and a few others are all overperforming imo.
Bloodspawn and Transmutation I feel, are well balanced. They both require the user to sacrifice max raw stats.
The others however, synergize too well with certain things. (Troll king with stam builds, Wizard Riposte on Shield stacks, Impreg on.... well anything lol, the set is beyond ridiculous. But really shows its absurdness on block builds and medium roll-dodge builds.)
I actually think bloodspawn is one of the main offenders in terms of overperforming defensive sets when coupled with the right ultimates (aka resto + 1h shield ulti or vamp).
Ofc when we´re not arguing that those ultimates are overperforming.
I do think there is a reason bloodspawn is chosen over trollking/pirate skelli or selene/veli and that´s not the set being so well balanced.
Transmutation is tricky. Looking at it from a single player perspective it´s fine. Figuring in that on NB or templar you will isntantly provide your whole group with 1350 critresistance i think it´s too strong.<Noricum>
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Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭-Wizards Riposte is OK, much less flexibale compared to impregnable armor, will work mostly with magica builds, and there are tons of other way to get the Minor Maim debuff and debuffs of the same kind doesnt stuck so your bonus will go to waste part of time/all the time(depends on team composition)
-Transmutation is interesting(honestly, I forgot about this set) - Also, much less flexible, works mostly for support magica builds and requires active game play, and the bonus while strong is bot game breaking. I would love to see this set giving 1000 resistance and impregnable armor giving 1500.0 -
Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think defensive sets generally get overlooked too much as they tend to create just as much asinine gameplay as spike dmg proccs do (i think beating on a player for 10 minutes is just as bad if not worse than getting instarekt by proccs).
Bloodspawn
Trollking
Wizards Riposte
Impregnable
Transmutation
Pirate Skelly
...
and a few others are all overperforming imo.
Bloodspawn and Transmutation I feel, are well balanced. They both require the user to sacrifice max raw stats.
The others however, synergize too well with certain things. (Troll king with stam builds, Wizard Riposte on Shield stacks, Impreg on.... well anything lol, the set is beyond ridiculous. But really shows its absurdness on block builds and medium roll-dodge builds.)
The question is... have you tried Impreg WITH Riposte yet?0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Leave my BloodSpawn alone it did nothing to nobody.I think defensive sets generally get overlooked too much as they tend to create just as much asinine gameplay as spike dmg proccs do (i think beating on a player for 10 minutes is just as bad if not worse than getting instarekt by proccs).
Bloodspawn
Trollking
Wizards Riposte
Impregnable
Transmutation
Pirate Skelly
...
and a few others are all overperforming imo.
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akray21✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Well nbs have the best synergy with proc sets, thats all.
Its not that nbs are OP its that procs are OP and when they a nerfed depending of how hard they are nerfed nbs will go straight to the bottom of pvp stam classes i think.
This! If proc sets get nerfed and NBs don't simultaneously get a buff, then NBs will be dead for a patch.2 -
Valencer✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think defensive sets generally get overlooked too much as they tend to create just as much asinine gameplay as spike dmg proccs do (i think beating on a player for 10 minutes is just as bad if not worse than getting instarekt by proccs).
Bloodspawn
Trollking
Wizards Riposte
Impregnable
Transmutation
Pirate Skelly
...
and a few others are all overperforming imo.
Bloodspawn and Transmutation I feel, are well balanced. They both require the user to sacrifice max raw stats.
The others however, synergize too well with certain things. (Troll king with stam builds, Wizard Riposte on Shield stacks, Impreg on.... well anything lol, the set is beyond ridiculous. But really shows its absurdness on block builds and medium roll-dodge builds.)
I actually think bloodspawn is one of the main offenders in terms of overperforming defensive sets when coupled with the right ultimates (aka resto + 1h shield ulti or vamp).
Ofc when we´re not arguing that those ultimates are overperforming.
I do think there is a reason bloodspawn is chosen over trollking/pirate skelli or selene/veli and that´s not the set being so well balanced.
Transmutation is tricky. Looking at it from a single player perspective it´s fine. Figuring in that on NB or templar you will isntantly provide your whole group with 1350 critresistance i think it´s too strong.
That really is an issue with specific ultimates though. ZOS had the brilliant idea of adding cheap spammable survival ultimates to the game and it's not really fair to blame Bloodspawn.Edited by Valencer on June 26, 2017 2:38PM2
